race riots after zimmerman acquittal?

[zappasguitar]

I've been right about everything.

OMG!

What a presumptuous ass!

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

They are not seeking the "stand your ground" defense though, why is that in your opinion?

they basically are, they just waived the formal immunity hearing, probably not wanting to kill their really good defense at trial. The jury will be instructed that someone doesn't have a duty to retreat.

 

[Timshel]

wrong. and I stopped reading there. I do care about justice, you are just biased to the point where you are incapable of considering my point of view. The point is I believe zimmerman is 100% innocent, and that trayvon deserved to get killed, as he was a violent assaulter. Additionally I see the trayvon supporters as idiots, as those not paying attention, not knowing the facts, not understanding burden of proof, etc. I want justice more than anything in this world, and that is going to be zimmerman getting a full acquital, with me rubbing it in everyones face as a bonus.

You don't care about justice. You are trolling on this topic or maybe you really are a douchebag.

Trayvon did not deserve to die. Zimmerman, at best, followed him and provoked some sort of defensive response.

The Zimmerman supporters seem to think Trayvon had no right to stand his ground. Since he was a scary black male he is expected to retreat.

Zimmerman's actions were stupid and he alone created a deadly situation. The "armed with a sidewalk" claim would be laughable if it were not intended to be serious. Zimmerman is at least guilty of manslaughter. If the jury is instructed to consider that charge, it's unlikely he will not go to prison.

 

[zappasguitar]

You know, I have not changed my attitude, nor the things that I have said about the zimmerman case, for over a year now, but I sure do notice a definitive increase in hostilities and ire directed at me. It seems the closer and closer we get to zimmermans inevitable acquittal, and the more we are seeing the prosecutions case fall apart like wet tissue paper with the States own witnesses backing up zimmerman, team trayvon is realizing how wrong they were --- and MAN DO THEY HATE IT. That's the only thing that explains the increased frustration. You know your facts aren't holding up and you know your reality of the events is collapsing. Maybe you have even had an honest moment with yourself and pondered . . . "hmm, maybe we did go too far, maybe I picked the wrong side this time . . ." It's gotta drive you insane, you guys really really really hate being wrong.

Be mad all you want, I'm sitting here smiling.

Au Contraire...I've been watching the shrillness of tone in your posts escalating every day since the trial's beginning and point after point of your hero's case gets shot down...

That's it...just keep ignoring the fact one of your hero's key witnesses RECANTED their testimony yesterday and stated they never saw Trayvon hit Zimmerman.

Yeah...you've been "right about everything"...ROTFLMAO!!

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

You don't care about justice. You are trolling on this topic or maybe you really are a douchebag.

Trayvon did not deserve to die. Zimmerman, at best, followed him and provoked some sort of defensive response.

stop telling me what I care about. I know what I care about. Justice is zimmerman being free, and that makes me very happy. Justice is when the state can't meet their burden, you don't convict them, and if you have a particularly weak case, you don't charge them. I knew last year they couldn't meet their burden. how do you prove ill will hatred and spite in a case like this?

The Zimmerman supporters seem to think Trayvon had no right to stand his ground. Since he was a scary black male he is expected to retreat.

There is no evidence that trayvon was put in a situation to stand his ground. You dont have the right to take a swing at somebody if they are walking on a public walkway. Nothing zimmerman did, even if we were to agree that he followed trayvon, is illegal.

 

[/MSG/]

You don't care about justice. You are trolling on this topic or maybe you really are a douchebag.

Trayvon did not deserve to die. Zimmerman, at best, followed him and provoked some sort of defensive response.

The Zimmerman supporters seem to think Trayvon had no right to stand his ground. Since he was a scary black male he is expected to retreat.

Zimmerman's actions were stupid and he alone created a deadly situation. The "armed with a sidewalk" claim would be laughable if it were not intended to be serious. Zimmerman is at least guilty of manslaughter. If the jury is instructed to consider that charge, it's unlikely he will not go to prison.

So, if someone is following my car too closely for too long I have the right to get out of my car and beat the shit out of them?

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

And team trayvon keep talking about supposed's and what ifs, while not keeping in mind that the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to charge someone with a crime, you need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

I am not going to keep rehashing my talking points over and over, people know where I stand on this. Hell, don't even listen to me, listen to any of the talking heads on tv today and see how many talk about the case falling apart. Newsflash, if you are charging someone with 2nd degree murder and your own witnesses are backing up the defenses story, you made an error.

 

[Timshel]

I've been right about everything. I called this as media bullshit from the beginning, the media lied about trayvons appearance, using a picture of him when he was 12. You guys got fooled about the spliced audio that got the NBC producer fired. You guys kept saying "oh he has no injuries, look at the camera in the police station... no blood!" Then it was shown he was bleeding all over, so you mitigated that by saying it wasn't that bad. You were likely wrong about who started the fight (THE FIGHT), with witnesses corroborating zimmerman being beaten the shit out of. You guys overcharged him because of politics and because you didn't want egg on your faces. Now you've staked out your positions unflinchingly.

Last year I saw idiot after idiot acting as if they knew any of the facts of the case, while being wrong time and time again. They said it with absolute conviction. now that I do it, everyone fucking hates it (and I made actual threads about me doing this on purpose, so I am not saying this retroactively... go look them up). The silver lining though as after getting brute forced by me all the false fact speculators started dying down. Maybe this will teach you idiots in the future to actually let the facts come out before jumping to conclusions.



I love this move the goal posts line. As if charging someone when you cannot meet the burden is appropriate. Now you can say "oh I dont even care he is not guilty I just wanted him to go to court." You basically say this to protect your ego from being wrong...

No, you have not. You are just ignoring the instances where you were wrong. For instance, you claimed the dispatcher told Zimmerman to follow Trayvon and you were absolutely wrong about that.

You display a bias in your consideration and even brag on it when you state that your position has been determined by those that lined up against Zimmerman prematurely. Knee jerk reactionaries, like ditzy, ila and you, do not think for themselves. They let someone else do the thinking and then they take an opposing position.

 

[zappasguitar]

So, if someone is following my car too closely for too long I have the right to get out of my car and beat the shit out of them?

You know, maybe if you travel to the Emerald City, you can ask the Great and Powerful OZ to give your Strawman some brains.

And maybe a heart for you so you might be able to FEEL something for the boy murdered in cold blood.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

No, you have not. You are just ignoring the instances where you were wrong. For instance, you claimed the dispatcher told Zimmerman to follow Trayvon and you were absolutely wrong about that.

I dont believe i have ever specifically said that, but If I did, I was not wrong. He didn't specifically mention to follow him, but he did ask twice where he was going. By continuing to prompt questions asking to follow up where the person is, when the person is clearly walking and on the move, obviously indicates a request to follow. The states own witness even admitted that he could see someone interpret his comments that way.

 

[Phantasmal]

So, if someone is following my car too closely for too long I have the right to get out of my car and beat the shit out of them?

If you beat the shit out of them do they have the right to shoot you? and by the way, a broken nose and a few lacerations are to the back of the head is not having the shit beat out of you.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

and again, IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO FOLLOW SOMEONE. IT'S COMPLETELY IMMATERIAL TO THE CASE. THE ONLY THING THAT IS RELEVANT IS ZIMMERMANS STATE OF MIND WHEN HE PULLED THE TRIGGER.

If zimmerman believed he had a reasonable fear of great bodily injury (you know, like getting your head bashed in) he has a right to self defense, even if he follow trayvon, even if he asked trayvon what was up, even if he said "what the fuck are you doing here you asshole" even if he grabbed travyon but then made an effort to retreat.

 

[Phantasmal]

And team trayvon keep talking about supposed's and what ifs, while not keeping in mind that the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to charge someone with a crime, you need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

He has already admitted to the crime, they just have to show it was not self defense.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

If you beat the shit out of them do they have the right to shoot you? and by the way, a broken nose and a few lacerations are to the back of the head is not having the shit beat out of you.

it doesn't matter what the injuries actually are, it matters if at the time HE THOUGHT the injuries were bad. It's about state of mind. Having your head repeatedly bashed against the concrete is going to be justifiable reason to shoot in self defense, even if in hindsight they may not turn out that bad. In the heat of the moment you can't make a rational conclusion about something like that.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

He has already admitted to the crime, they just have to show it was not self defense.

he admitted to no crime.

 

[Phantasmal]

I am not going to keep rehashing my talking points over and over, people know where I stand on this. Hell, don't even listen to me, listen to any of the talking heads on tv today and see how many talk about the case falling apart. Newsflash, if you are charging someone with 2nd degree murder and your own witnesses are backing up the defenses story, you made an error.

You just need to stop commenting if you not want people to debate your opinions. Like Billy always says, you can ignore them.

 

[Phantasmal]

he admitted to no crime.

Lol, he admitted to shooting Trayvon, the crime was Trayvon was unarmed, well, except for his fists and there is conflicting evidence he used them.

 

[Timshel]

So, if someone is following my car too closely for too long I have the right to get out of my car and beat the shit out of them?

Was that what happened? No. That is not even analogous.

Zimmerman was in a car, a superior defensive position, following Trayvon, on foot. Then Trayvon fled and Zimmerman left his car to pursue.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

You just need to stop commenting if you not want people to debate your opinions. Like Billy always says, you can ignore them.

I dont mind it, when I am bored, but I realize how fruitless it is. I have been making an effort not just on this but on other topics as well, to not waste too much time posting when I know it's going in one ear and out the other. It's not healthy. I don't know how many times I have had to even talk about basic things like burden of proof. But like all of us I get pulled in sometimes against my better judgment.