PSAKI: "Even after you’re vaccinated, social distancing / masks will be essential

dukkha said:
herd immunity doesn't just come by infection , dullard it also comes by vaccinations
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And until the vaccinations create herd immunity, you still need to wear a mask. This isn't brain surgery. It's simple epidemiology. Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles.

The good news is the vaccinations practically guarantee that even if you get the virus, you won't get sick enough to require hospitalization.
 
dukkha said:
You are the ignorant leading the blind when it comes to COVID -you dont know shit about anything
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Every single thing you said about COVID has been wrong.

You said it was a hoax.

You said it was no worse than the flu.

You said 15 cases would be down to zero in no time.

You said the warm weather would kill it.

You said HCQ would cure it. Then you said HCQ would prevent it. Then you said HCQ would prevent it, but only in rare cases. Then you said HCQ would prevent it, but only in rare cases, and only as part of a larger cocktail.

You said kids couldn't catch it or spread it.

You said that lockdowns would be worse than the disease (that has killed almost 500,000 people)

You said that we could achieve herd immunity if everyone just infected themselves with it.

You said that drinking bleach or shining a lightbulb up your ass would work.

You said masks didn't work, then you said they did, then you reversed yourself and said they didn't.

You said the protests were responsible for the surges.

You said said Trump's Warp Speed got us the vaccine, but the drug companies were already working on a vaccine for 3 months before Warp Speed was even a thing.

You said the infected came from China, when they actually came from Europe and a cruise ship.

You have never said anything truthful or accurate about COVID.

Instead, you've lied and spread misinformation. Deliberately, I'd argue.
 
Jerome said:
And until the vaccinations create herd immunity, you still need to wear a mask. This isn't brain surgery. It's simple epidemiology. Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles.

The good news is the vaccinations practically guarantee that even if you get the virus, you won't get sick enough to require hospitalization.
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Want to know why you need to wear a mask after getting vaccinated?

Because the vaccines are not 100% effective.

The best one is 98%, but that would still leave 6.4M people in the US vulnerable for whom the vaccine doesn't work.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
How safe is safe enough here?
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I mean, I'd say, get the vaccine as soon as you possibly can, but still limit your activity outside the house and wear masks because the vaccine is not 100% effective and BEST CASE we are talking 6.4M people in the US for whom the vaccine won't work.
 
Jerome said:
And until the vaccinations create herd immunity, you still need to wear a mask. This isn't brain surgery. It's simple epidemiology. Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles.

The good news is the vaccinations practically guarantee that even if you get the virus, you won't get sick enough to require hospitalization.
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been though that on this thread..the viral load isnt enough to infect after full vaccination
Pfizer is 94% effective after the second shot / Moderna is 95% and has said their vaccine prevents shedding.

Even if there is shedding the viral load would have to be large enough in the nose or respiratory system.
and a vaccine interfers with rerpilication and keeps the load down low enough to prevent symptoms


Go ahead a wear a mask if you like -it cant hurt, but it's not doing much of anything after the 2nd vaccine shot
 
dukkha said:
been though that on this thread..the viral load isnt enough to infect after full vaccination
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Right, but you can still spread the disease yourself.


Pfizer is 94% effective after the second shot / Moderna is 95% and has said their vaccine prevents shedding.
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Which means BEST CASE we are talking 16M people in the US for whom the virus is ineffective.

So that's why you need to wear a mask, you liar.



Go ahead a wear a mask if you like -it cant hurt, but it's not doing much of anything after the 2nd vaccine shot
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Unless you're one of the 16M people for whom the vaccine doesn't work, and you don't know that it doesn't work until you come down with COVID.

Every single thing you post about COVID is a dangerous lie and has already gotten almost 500,000 killed.
 
dukkha said:
been though that on this thread..the viral load isnt enough to infect after full vaccination
Pfizer is 94% effective after the second shot / Moderna is 95% and has said their vaccine prevents shedding.
Even if there is shedding the viral load would have to be large enough in the nose or respiratory system.
and a vaccine interfers with rerpilication and keeps the load down low enough to prevent symptoms
o ahead a wear a mask if you like -it cant hurt, but it's not doing much of anything after the 2nd vaccine shot
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You also lied about getting an unsolicited mail-in ballot, so no one can really trust anything you say.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
How safe is safe enough here?
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We may well see hospitalizations drop to zero if we get around 50% or so of the population vaccinated. When that happens, I'd say we're pretty safe. Then COVID becomes a bothersome cold and no more.

But please do your research among doctors and scientists, not message boards.
 
LV426 said:
Right, but you can still spread the disease yourself.




Which means BEST CASE we are talking 16M people in the US for whom the virus is ineffective.

So that's why you need to wear a mask, you liar.





Unless you're one of the 16M people for whom the vaccine doesn't work, and you don't know that it doesn't work until you come down with COVID.

Every single thing you post about COVID is a dangerous lie and has already gotten almost 500,000 killed.
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While people can still get infected, I've read that the vaccine is 100% effective in preventing deaths and hospitalizations.
 
Jerome said:
While people can still get infected, I've read that the vaccine is 100% effective in preventing deaths and hospitalizations.
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Sure, if it works for you.

But even the best vaccine is 98% effective.

98% of 320M people is 6.4M people at risk because they vaccine won't work for them.

But if you're one of the 6.4M for whom the vaccine isn't effective, this doesn't really provide much comfort or security.
 
LV426 said:
I mean, I'd say, get the vaccine as soon as you possibly can, but still limit your activity outside the house and wear masks because the vaccine is not 100% effective and BEST CASE we are talking 6.4M people in the US for whom the vaccine won't work.
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That doesn't answer the question. If you want 100% safe, it won't happen. If you argue for "As safe as possible" it's just another way of saying "It'll never be safe enough." My view is If you think you need a mask, wear one. If not, don't. If you want to social distance do so, and ask others to help you in that if they aren't. Get the vaccine when you can. Aside from that use common sense and stop listening to the Chicken Little's who cluck about wanting total safety. They're fools. Safety Third!
 
LV426 said:
Sure, if it works for you.

But even the best vaccine is 98% effective.

98% of 320M people is 6.4M people at risk because they vaccine won't work for them.

But if you're one of the 6.4M for whom the vaccine isn't effective, this doesn't really provide much comfort or security.
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For at least the AstraZeneca, even those 6.4M who get sick will survive, and recover at home, at least according to phase 3 trial analyses:

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-c...the-primary-analysis-of-phase-iii-trials.html

The primary analysis of the Phase III clinical trials from the UK, Brazil and South Africa, published as a preprint in The Lancet confirmed COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca is safe and effective at preventing COVID-19, with no severe cases and no hospitalisations, more than 22 days after the first dose.
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T. A. Gardner said:
That doesn't answer the question. If you want 100% safe, it won't happen. If you argue for "As safe as possible" it's just another way of saying "It'll never be safe enough." My view is If you think you need a mask, wear one. If not, don't. If you want to social distance do so, and ask others to help you in that if they aren't. Get the vaccine when you can. Aside from that use common sense and stop listening to the Chicken Little's who cluck about wanting total safety. They're fools. Safety Third!
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This has been repeated ad nauseum since April of 2020, but for the 1,000th fucking time, masks help protect others.

Not you.

This isn't about "how you feel." Masks prevent the spread, and should be worn. It's YOU doing a favor for OTHERS.

So, to rephrase your retarded statement, "if you think 'fuck other people', then don't wear a mask".

Clearly, you don't give a shit about other human beings, so fuck you.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That doesn't answer the question.
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Yes it does. It literally does. It is a literal answer.

It's just the answer you didn't want.



If you want 100% safe, it won't happen.
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Right, because of you.

Because you didn't take this seriously.

Because you still aren't taking this seriously.

We can have 100% safety if you follow the rules.

But you've made it crystal clear that you don't think the rules apply to you, nor do you give a shit about anyone else because you're depressed.

Listen, if you want to kill yourself, fine. Just don't take other people down with you on your way out.


My view is If you think you need a mask, wear one. If not, don't.
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So what happens when you think you don't need a mask, you get the vaccination, but then come down with COVID anyway because you're one of those 6.4M for whom the vaccine won't work?

Do you think in those terms or do you just lazily take things for granted?
 
Jerome said:
For at least the AstraZeneca, even those 6.4M who get sick will survive, and recover at home, at least according to phase 3 trial analyses:
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Yeah, but they have to survive it, and surviving it doesn't look like a walk in the park.
 
LV426 said:
Yes it does. It literally does. It is a literal answer.

It's just the answer you didn't want.

Right, because of you.
Because you didn't take this seriously.
Because you still aren't taking this seriously.
We can have 100% safety if you follow the rules.
But you've made it crystal clear that you don't think the rules apply to you, nor do you give a shit about anyone else because you're depressed.
Listen, if you want to kill yourself, fine. Just don't take other people down with you on your way out.
So what happens when you think you don't need a mask, you get the vaccination, but then come down with COVID anyway because you're one of those 6.4M for whom the vaccine won't work?

Do you think in those terms or do you just lazily take things for granted?
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No, you can't have 100% safety. People will still contract this disease. Maybe fewer, maybe the same. My chances of dying from it are next to nil. The death rate right now is about 1% and if you aren't in a "high risk" group by either age or preexisting condition(s) your chances are even lower.
I think in terms of safety is my own concern. I don't want the government telling me how safe I have to be and forcing that on me because they'll always opt for the worst case scenario and enforce rules that are overkill.

I'll take reasonable precautions, that's sensible. What I won't do is listen to quacks like Fauci who change their tune every other week with some new idea.
 
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