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LV426 said:
Not talking about just Donbass, talking about Crimea and Donetsk.

And Russia had infiltrated Donbass years ago, and it was one of the first places they occupied when they invaded three weeks ago:

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Donetsk and Lugansk both FORM the Donbas, dumbass. You're all adrift and know fuck-all. Get lost.
 
moon said:
Are you for real ? Russia hasn't annexed Donetsk and Lugasnk. They declared independence. They didn't participate in the elections and so the pro-NATO dunce won it.
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SO THEN THERE'S THE REASON WHY THOSE VOTES WEREN'T COUNTED IN ZALENSKY'S ELECTION.

Can we move on now to a topic that isn't this fucking stupid?
 
moon said:
Donetsk and Lugansk both FORM the Donbas, dumbass. You're all adrift and know fuck-all. Get lost.
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Right, and according to you, "they declared independence".

So if they declared independence, why would their votes be counted in Ukraine's Presidential election?

You can't have it both ways, dummy.

You can't screech about how votes from Russian-occupied or allied regions aren't counted in an election for President of a country those places declared their independence from.

I mean, you can do that, you just look like a fucking idiot when you do...who knows? Maybe that's your goal?
 
moon said:
As I said- Poroshenko split the country. Zelensky was elected without the participation of the pro-Russian electorate.
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The enemy was Poroshenko, and the main slogans were “change” and “new faces.” What change? What faces? Zelensky began to reveal this only at the end of the campaign. Besides, some of these new faces once belonged to the Party of Regions, the same party behind overthrown president Viktor Yanukovych.
https://warsawinstitute.review/issu...revolution-presidential-elections-in-ukraine/
 
dukkha said:
The enemy was Poroshenko, and the main slogans were “change” and “new faces.” What change? What faces? Zelensky began to reveal this only at the end of the campaign. Besides, some of these new faces once belonged to the Party of Regions, the same party behind overthrown president Viktor Yanukovych.
https://warsawinstitute.review/issu...revolution-presidential-elections-in-ukraine/
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All lies from Anatta of course, which is why he uses questionable sources all the time.

I bet that if we really took a deep dive into the links Anatta provides here, we'd find most of them are Russian in origin or funding.
 
LV426 said:
All lies from Anatta of course, which is why he uses questionable sources all the time.

I bet that if we really took a deep dive into the links Anatta provides here, we'd find most of them are Russian in origin or funding.
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source is Kyiv Independent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv_Post
The newspaper, which went online in 1997, serves Ukrainian and expatriate readers with a general interest mix of political, business and entertainment coverage. The 50-member staff is a team of mainly Ukrainian journalists, numbering 35 editorial team members and 15 in the commercial division as of Jan. 10, 2020, including 40 Ukrainians.

Historically, the editorial policy has supported democracy, Western integration and free markets for Ukraine. It has published numerous investigative stories,

iluding coverage of the 2000 murder of journalist Georgiy Gongadze, in which ex-Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma is a prime suspect; the 2004 Orange Revolution, in which a massive public uprising blocked Viktor Yanukovych from taking power as president after the rigged presidential election of November 26, 2004; the 2013-14 EuroMaidan Revolution that overthrew Yanukovych as president; the Russian invasion of Crimea; the War in the Donbass; and Oligarch Watch,[7]
 
dukkha said:
my bad
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I guess natural immunity didn't really work out that well for ya since you've now got the COVID brain fog.

OR you deliberately lied about your source because you didn't think I would bother to check it.

In either case, you're a fucking asshole.
 
BartenderElite said:
There are over 40 active parties in the Ukraine. How is this even close to "much if not all" of the opposition?

The above is a mischaracterization of this. This isn't that kind of power grab. It's a logical move during war.
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So? The parties he banned are either ones that are so radical they have next to zero political power or are diametrically opposed to Zelensky. Why pick those?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
So? The parties he banned are either ones that are so radical they have next to zero political power or are diametrically opposed to Zelensky. Why pick those?
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You tell me. Why would you believe it's because of anything but the stated reason? Are you trying to find some sort of excuse as to why the Ukraine isn't worth supporting in this conflict?
 
BartenderElite said:
You tell me. Why would you believe it's because of anything but the stated reason? Are you trying to find some sort of excuse as to why the Ukraine isn't worth supporting in this conflict?
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Ukraine isn't worth my direct support. Russia and Putin are assholes for invading and starting that war. Zelensky is not an American politician so I really don't give a shit about him either.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Ukraine isn't worth my direct support. Russia and Putin are assholes for invading and starting that war. Zelensky is not an American politician so I really don't give a shit about him either.
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I guess we'll just differ on that. When I see this kind of civilian massacre, I'm always on the side of stopping it.
 
BartenderElite said:
I guess we'll just differ on that. When I see this kind of civilian massacre, I'm always on the side of stopping it.
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I see it as the sort of brutal war that humanity has waged on itself for millennia. In my view, and I know you'll disagree, The only REAL war crime is losing. In WW 2, US GI's were often prosecuted for crimes similar to those civilians might perpetrate: Murder, rape, sodomy, that sort of thing. They were rarely prosecuted for what are called "war crimes" today. Threatening enemy POW's? Nah. Shooting surrendering troops in the middle of a battle? Nah. Blasting buildings they suspected the enemy was in but weren't sure? Never. Shooting civilians that happened to be in the middle of a battle? Nope.

The Russians are waging the brutal kind of war that's always been fought. The Ukrainians are responding in kind. Militaries are not police. They aren't there to "Bring the bad guys to justice." They're there to kill the enemy and destroy all their toys with extreme prejudice and overwhelming firepower. No restraint on that. It's utterly stupid and insane to demand that militaries fight wars like the police trying to arrest some violent criminal.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I see it as the sort of brutal war that humanity has waged on itself for millennia. In my view, and I know you'll disagree, The only REAL war crime is losing. In WW 2, US GI's were often prosecuted for crimes similar to those civilians might perpetrate: Murder, rape, sodomy, that sort of thing. They were rarely prosecuted for what are called "war crimes" today. Threatening enemy POW's? Nah. Shooting surrendering troops in the middle of a battle? Nah. Blasting buildings they suspected the enemy was in but weren't sure? Never. Shooting civilians that happened to be in the middle of a battle? Nope.

The Russians are waging the brutal kind of war that's always been fought. The Ukrainians are responding in kind. Militaries are not police. They aren't there to "Bring the bad guys to justice." They're there to kill the enemy and destroy all their toys with extreme prejudice and overwhelming firepower. No restraint on that. It's utterly stupid and insane to demand that militaries fight wars like the police trying to arrest some violent criminal.
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In a way, I know what you're saying. "Rules of war" has an almost oxymoron-ish feel to it. War is hell, and chaos - and like you said, the only real objective is winning.

But the fact is, there ARE rules of war. It's part of our evolution as a society. What Putin is doing now feels like some sort of blast from a more uncivilized past that we're trying to move away from, and need to if we ever want to advance as a species. Intentionally targeting civilians should be universally condemned.
 
dukkha said:
source is Kyiv Independent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv_Post
The newspaper, which went online in 1997, serves Ukrainian and expatriate readers with a general interest mix of political, business and entertainment coverage. The 50-member staff is a team of mainly Ukrainian journalists, numbering 35 editorial team members and 15 in the commercial division as of Jan. 10, 2020, including 40 Ukrainians.

Historically, the editorial policy has supported democracy, Western integration and free markets for Ukraine. It has published numerous investigative stories,

iluding coverage of the 2000 murder of journalist Georgiy Gongadze, in which ex-Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma is a prime suspect; the 2004 Orange Revolution, in which a massive public uprising blocked Viktor Yanukovych from taking power as president after the rigged presidential election of November 26, 2004; the 2013-14 EuroMaidan Revolution that overthrew Yanukovych as president; the Russian invasion of Crimea; the War in the Donbass; and Oligarch Watch,[7]
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Why do you bother with that nasty cunt anyway? She's just a truly shit excuse for a human being.
 
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