Obama against mandate

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In ruling against President Obama‘s health care law, federal Judge Roger Vinson used Mr. Obama‘s own position from the 2008 campaign against him, when the then-Illinois senator argued there were other ways to achieve reform short of requiring every American to purchase insurance.

“I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that, ‘If a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of his 78-page ruling Monday.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/31/judge-uses-obamas-words-against-him/

now thats funny! though i suspect nigel will not be able to see the humor

 

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In ruling against President Obama‘s health care law, federal Judge Roger Vinson used Mr. Obama‘s own position from the 2008 campaign against him, when the then-Illinois senator argued there were other ways to achieve reform short of requiring every American to purchase insurance.

“I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that, ‘If a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of his 78-page ruling Monday.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/31/judge-uses-obamas-words-against-him/

now thats funny! though i suspect nigel will not be able to see the humor

Obamacare hoist by its own petard

 

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Obamacare hoist by its own petard

is it a john kerry moment?

 

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is it a john kerry moment?

The very best part of this judges ruling was his pointing out the Obama admins own argument about how, without the mandates, the whole bill is useless!


priceless

 

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In ruling against President Obama‘s health care law, federal Judge Roger Vinson used Mr. Obama‘s own position from the 2008 campaign against him, when the then-Illinois senator argued there were other ways to achieve reform short of requiring every American to purchase insurance.

“I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that, ‘If a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of his 78-page ruling Monday.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/31/judge-uses-obamas-words-against-him/

now thats funny! though i suspect nigel will not be able to see the humor

No, I don't see the humor, mainly because it is more than slightly dishonest. Here's the full quote:

Here's the concern. If you haven't made it affordable, how are you going to enforce a mandate. I mean, if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house. The reason they don't buy a house is they don't have the money. And so, our focus has been on reducing costs, making it available. I am confident if people have a chance to buy high-quality health care that is affordable, they will do so. That's what our plan does and nobody disputes that.

It's the kind of cheap stunt you'd expect from a political opponent in a campaign, not an impartial judge tasked with determining whether an act of Congress is constitutional.

 

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No, I don't see the humor, mainly because it is more than slightly dishonest. Here's the full quote:



It's the kind of cheap stunt you'd expect from a political opponent in a campaign, not an impartial judge tasked with determining whether an act of Congress is constitutional.

the full quote only makes his comment more hilarious. thanks for providing it, i had no idea obama was THAT stupid.

 

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the full quote only makes his comment more hilarious. thanks for providing it, i had no idea obama was THAT stupid.

How does it make it more hilarious? In context, it shows that Obama did not support a mandate absent affordability measures and with affordability measures he didn't think one was necessary. I don't really see anything funny in that.

What I do find funny is the idea that the judge felt it necessary to include that quote, which pretty clearly states that mandates are not necessary, in an opinion which finds that the unnecessary mandate is not severable from the rest of the bill. It makes no sense.

I'd also note that it's common knowledge that among the three major Democratic presidential candidates Obama was the only one that did not support an individual mandate. Apparently, some people have just now discovered this.

 

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Very few things are 100% predictable. But one of those is that Yurtsie can't read.

 

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How does it make it more hilarious? In context, it shows that Obama did not support a mandate absent affordability measures and with affordability measures he didn't think one was necessary.

No, it shows that Obama did not support a mandate even with affordability measures. As he said, "I am confident if people have a chance to buy high-quality health care that is affordable, they will do so." In other words, the decision of whether to buy health insurance should remain with the individual, not the government.

 

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No, it shows that Obama did not support a mandate even with affordability measures. As he said, "I am confident if people have a chance to buy high-quality health care that is affordable, they will do so." In other words, the decision of whether to buy health insurance should remain with the individual, not the government.

Um, that's what I said. Well, except for that "in other words . . ." nonsense.

 

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How does it make it more hilarious? In context, it shows that Obama did not support a mandate absent affordability measures and with affordability measures he didn't think one was necessary. I don't really see anything funny in that.

What I do find funny is the idea that the judge felt it necessary to include that quote, which pretty clearly states that mandates are not necessary, in an opinion which finds that the unnecessary mandate is not severable from the rest of the bill. It makes no sense.

I'd also note that it's common knowledge that among the three major Democratic presidential candidates Obama was the only one that did not support an individual mandate. Apparently, some people have just now discovered this.

This is a funny line no matter how you read it....

‘If a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’”

 

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No, I don't see the humor, mainly because it is more than slightly dishonest. Here's the full quote:



It's the kind of cheap stunt you'd expect from a political opponent in a campaign, not an impartial judge tasked with determining whether an act of Congress is constitutional.

And yet; the loony left drooled allover themselves, when a Judge ruled that AZ's immigration bill had parts that were unconstituntional.

 

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This is a funny line no matter how you read it....

‘If a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’”

Better yet: we can solve unemployment and hunger, by mandating that everyone must get a job and buy food; or else.

 

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the looney left is too stupid and devoid of economics grounding that they totally fail on the supply side of medical services. Ahh AMA is like a Union!!! HMMMM

 

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No, I don't see the humor, mainly because it is more than slightly dishonest. Here's the full quote:



It's the kind of cheap stunt you'd expect from a political opponent in a campaign, not an impartial judge tasked with determining whether an act of Congress is constitutional.

LOL you're a fucking idiot. That whole quote makes it look no different. The mandate is a stupid idea and it's illegal. It took the great liberal minds to come up with it.

 

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LOL you're a fucking idiot. That whole quote makes it look no different. The mandate is a stupid idea and it's illegal. It took the great liberal minds to come up with it.

We get it. You hate liberals & think they're dumb, and adore conservatives & think they're brilliant.

We get it.

 

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No, I don't see the humor, mainly because it is more than slightly dishonest. Here's the full quote:



It's the kind of cheap stunt you'd expect from a political opponent in a campaign, not an impartial judge tasked with determining whether an act of Congress is constitutional.

ROFLMAO.... actually, the full quote makes it even funnier. Because Obama did just the opposite of what he stated. He mandated everyone buy it, without addressing the issues causing the costs to continue to rise.

 

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We get it. You hate liberals & think they're dumb, and adore conservatives & think they're brilliant.

We get it.

We get it. You can't admit that Obama didn't just do the exact opposite of what was in his quote. We get it. You must deflect criticism of the One.

We get it.

 

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If a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house.

Didn't Fannie and Freddie try that??

On a more serious note the whole idea is to ensure everyone has medical coverage. The only reason individual mandates were suggested is because some folks don't believe in universal care or a government plan.

Time is on Obama's side. As more and more people realize the benefits of government medical opinion will change. Also, the worse the economy becomes more people will realize their chances of becoming insured are diminishing. No job/employer to pay for coverage and no money either.

There will be only one logical choice and that's government medical.

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In ruling against President Obama‘s health care law, federal Judge Roger Vinson used Mr. Obama‘s own position from the 2008 campaign against him, when the then-Illinois senator argued there were other ways to achieve reform short of requiring every American to purchase insurance.

“I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that, ‘If a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of his 78-page ruling Monday.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/31/judge-uses-obamas-words-against-him/

now thats funny! though i suspect nigel will not be able to see the humor

 

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ROFLMAO.... actually, the full quote makes it even funnier. Because Obama did just the opposite of what he stated. He mandated everyone buy it, without addressing the issues causing the costs to continue to rise.

Actually, the law has a lot of affordability measures. You can pretend they don't exist if you want to, but they're in there.