Liar, Liar

[Althea]

Kangaroo court is right. There was no effort made by the GOP to dig deep into the accusations, it was all a farce.

If I were inocent and in Kavanaugh's position, I wouldn't have been blubbering, sweating and slurping water over the accusations. I'd demand that every single person on Blasey's side be grilled under oath. Instead the FBI chose to disregard most of the people who wanted to come forward for her.

Under orders from the WH

"The supplemental FBI background investigation would be limited to current credible allegations against the nominee and must be completed no later than one week from today," the Senate Judiciary Committee said in a statement.

 

[Althea]

There's no doubt in my mind he was a party animal and lied about it under oath. I know he changed when he got married, but, IMO, it displays a man of weak character who can't fess up to youthful indiscretions. Even if there were crimes committed, and I do not believe any laws were broken except underage drinking, the statute of limitations has long past. So why lie?

Because it was a bad look for an aspiring SC judge.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Don't forget...there were numerous other Kananaugh accusers who were ignored by the FBI because the White House wouldn't allow an investigation.

Obviously there was WH interference, but let's be honest: this was only about Kavanaugh's fitness to be a Justice, never about any crimes if for no other reason than the statute of limitations. The FBI investigates crimes.

What's to stop someone from hiring private investigators to research Kavanaugh's party past? The other Justices can still impeach him if he's caught lying under oath.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Because it was a bad look for an aspiring SC judge.

Hence why I'm thinking "weak character" and unfit to be a Justice.

 

[Althea]

Obviously there was WH interference, but let's be honest: this was only about Kavanaugh's fitness to be a Justice, never about any crimes if for no other reason than the statute of limitations. The FBI investigates crimes.

What's to stop someone from hiring private investigators to research Kavanaugh's party past? The other Justices can still impeach him if he's caught lying under oath.

There was a rush to get him through. Nobody claimed it was about the law. In fact, aside from the attempted rape, the other allegations were more about drunken perversions than illegal acts.

But this 'trial' before the Senate is meant to discern his fitness for the seat.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Under orders from the WH

All legal, but IMO unethical. That's the problem for both sides; then they let one of their own get a free pass, eventually the other side will take one too. In short; when discussing lawyers, the matter of legal precedent can always help or hinder.

Remember when Bill Clinton looked America in the eye and said "I didn't inhale"**? I knew he was lying and so did a lot of Democrats but they voted for him anyway. Bill lied about his adultery and all sexual harassment claims. The Democrats protected him all the way despite the harm to innocent women. Flash forward 20 years later and those same Democrats might understand why Republicans are saying "What does it matter? He was in HS and college."




**

Spoiler

Bill Clinton: “I’ve never broken a state law but when I was in England I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn’t like it. I didn’t inhale it, and never tried it again.”

Some of his college friends came forward at the time and said, in effect, 'that wasn't quite true".

Dennis Miller recommended Clinton to not only come clean about using pot, but to be explicit: "Not only did I inhale but I smoked so much I drank the bong water!"

I agreed with Miller.

 

[Nomad]

Don't forget...there were numerous other Kananaugh accusers who were ignored by the FBI because the White House wouldn't allow an investigation.

Tell that to dumbass dookie.

Though I sure he already knows/overlooks it.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There was a rush to get him through. Nobody claimed it was about the law. In fact, aside from the attempted rape, the other allegations were more about drunken perversions than illegal acts.

But this 'trial' before the Senate is meant to discern his fitness for the seat.

Of course there was a rush. They didn't want to see Kavanaugh Borked like the Democrats are known to do. Claiming as fact that Kavanaugh attempted to rape her is one reason why 70% of Americans don't trust Democrats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork_Supreme_Court_nomination
As Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Senator Joe Biden presided over Bork's hearing. Biden stated his opposition to Bork soon after the nomination, reversing an approval in an interview of a hypothetical Bork nomination he had made the previous year and angering conservatives who thought he could not conduct the hearings dispassionately. At the close of the hearings, Biden won praise for conducting the proceedings fairly and with good humor and courage, as his 1988 presidential campaign collapsed in the middle of the hearings. Rejecting some of the arguments that other Bork opponents were making,[20] Biden framed his discussion around the belief that the Constitution provides rights to liberty and privacy that extend beyond those explicitly enumerated in the text, and that Bork's strong originalism was ideologically incompatible with that view.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Tell that to dumbass dookie.

Though I sure he already knows/overlooks it.

I've found it best to be more forgiving and lenient with people who have low IQ, are poorly educated and/or are mentally deficient.

 

[Althea]

Tell that to dumbass dookie.

Though I sure he already knows/overlooks it.

I have him on ignore for years. We were on numerous boards together, before his breakdown.

 

[Althea]

All legal, but IMO unethical. That's the problem for both sides; then they let one of their own get a free pass, eventually the other side will take one too. In short; when discussing lawyers, the matter of legal precedent can always help or hinder.

Remember when Bill Clinton looked America in the eye and said "I didn't inhale"**? I knew he was lying and so did a lot of Democrats but they voted for him anyway. Bill lied about his adultery and all sexual harassment claims. The Democrats protected him all the way despite the harm to innocent women. Flash forward 20 years later and those same Democrats might understand why Republicans are saying "What does it matter? He was in HS and college."




**

Spoiler

Bill Clinton: “I’ve never broken a state law but when I was in England I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn’t like it. I didn’t inhale it, and never tried it again.”

Some of his college friends came forward at the time and said, in effect, 'that wasn't quite true".

Dennis Miller recommended Clinton to not only come clean about using pot, but to be explicit: "Not only did I inhale but I smoked so much I drank the bong water!"

I agreed with Miller.

Well, there's a bit of nuance. First, the women who came out against Clinton were all willing participants. The 'crime' for the candidate was infidelity. I seem to remember a claim in later years about forced sex in a hotel room, but I don't remember if that was during the campaign as well? Nor do I remember how that played out. I was apolitical during those years. It was Dubyah's destruction of the Mid East that forced me to begin voting.

Re. 'precedent', that's interesting. McTurtle refused to allow Obama to nominate a SC justice, holding it up for 9 or 10 months. Then, he unearthed the nuclear option for SC justices. The first thing they do is ram this drunken pervert through to the court?

It will be fascinating to watch McConnell undo the nuclear option when trump loses in November, and Reps. lose the Senate. But...if Ginsburg passes away tomorrow, wanna bet McConnell changes his mind about nominations in an election year?

 

[Nomad]

I have him on ignore for years. We were on numerous boards together, before his breakdown.

Yeah, he was on DCJ as Cosmic Rocker until he started pretending to be a Buddhist.

He was a phony and a fruitcake even back then.

Imagine that if you can.... a right-wing conservative Trump bootlick who thinks he's a Buddhist.

 

[Althea]

Of course there was a rush. They didn't want to see Kavanaugh Borked like the Democrats are known to do. Claiming as fact that Kavanaugh attempted to rape her is one reason why 70% of Americans don't trust Democrats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork_Supreme_Court_nomination
As Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Senator Joe Biden presided over Bork's hearing. Biden stated his opposition to Bork soon after the nomination, reversing an approval in an interview of a hypothetical Bork nomination he had made the previous year and angering conservatives who thought he could not conduct the hearings dispassionately. At the close of the hearings, Biden won praise for conducting the proceedings fairly and with good humor and courage, as his 1988 presidential campaign collapsed in the middle of the hearings. Rejecting some of the arguments that other Bork opponents were making,[20] Biden framed his discussion around the belief that the Constitution provides rights to liberty and privacy that extend beyond those explicitly enumerated in the text, and that Bork's strong originalism was ideologically incompatible with that view.

Bork had quite a bit of baggage, especially w/respect to his views on civil rights.

And then there was that whole Saturday Night Massacre thing, where Nixon finally found his man in Bork.

 

[Althea]

Yeah, he was on DCJ as Cosmic Rocker until he started pretending to be a Buddhist.

He was a phony and a fruitcake even back then.

Imagine that if you can.... a right-wing conservative Trump bootlick who thinks he's a Buddhist.

I went back years before that with him, when he was a Hillary fan in '08. You should have heard him motherfuck Obama for his girl Hillary.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Well, there's a bit of nuance. First, the women who came out against Clinton were all willing participants. The 'crime' for the candidate was infidelity. I seem to remember a claim in later years about forced sex in a hotel room, but I don't remember if that was during the campaign as well? Nor do I remember how that played out. I was apolitical during those years. It was Dubyah's destruction of the Mid East that forced me to begin voting.

Re. 'precedent', that's interesting. McTurtle refused to allow Obama to nominate a SC justice, holding it up for 9 or 10 months. Then, he unearthed the nuclear option for SC justices. The first thing they do is ram this drunken pervert through to the court?

It will be fascinating to watch McConnell undo the nuclear option when trump loses in November, and Reps. lose the Senate. But...if Ginsburg passes away tomorrow, wanna bet McConnell changes his mind about nominations in an election year?

Ummm...."that isn't quite true". There were adulterous affairs and that's one thing, but rape and sexual assault are serious issues. It's not always the Republican men who are the assholes.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Bork had quite a bit of baggage, especially w/respect to his views on civil rights.

And then there was that whole Saturday Night Massacre thing, where Nixon finally found his man in Bork.

The point being that it's now normal for the opposition to do anything they can to tear down nominated candidates.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yeah, he was on DCJ as Cosmic Rocker until he started pretending to be a Buddhist.

He was a phony and a fruitcake even back then.

Imagine that if you can.... a right-wing conservative Trump bootlick who thinks he's a Buddhist.

He's certainly no Buddhist. That became clear to me the first month I was here.

 

[Althea]

Ummm...."that isn't quite true". There were adulterous affairs and that's one thing, but rape and sexual assault are serious issues. It's not always the Republican men who are the assholes.

Republican men tend to gravitate toward other men. Lewinski was more than happy to eat Executive sperm. I'm sure she felt privileged. How many rape allegations were made against Clinton during his campaign/tenure?

We now know that he/trump/Epstein were besties. I don't think anyone is buddies with Epstein if they aren't looking for young girls. I just don't remember that from his tenure.

 

[Althea]

The point being that it's now normal for the opposition to do anything they can to tear down nominated candidates.

Now it is, but when Bork was rejected, Roberts passed unanimously. I have to believe that if The Heritage Foundation offered a moderate, Dems would have been happy to comply.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Republican men tend to gravitate toward other men. Lewinski was more than happy to eat Executive sperm. I'm sure she felt privileged. How many rape allegations were made against Clinton during his campaign/tenure?

We now know that he/trump/Epstein were besties. I don't think anyone is buddies with Epstein if they aren't looking for young girls. I just don't remember that from his tenure.

Not Roy Moore. He liked'em female and not-quite-ripe. Others are definitely "metrosexual".

I'm not writing about Lewinski although in the military and civilian corporate world, what Clinton did with Monica is sexual harassment. I'm writing about Juanita Broaddrick (raped, 1978), Leslie Millwee (sexual assault, 1980), Paula Jones (sexual assault,1991), and Kathleen Willey (sexual assault, 1993). The same women Hillary and the Democrats labeled as gold diggers, liars, sluts, asking for it, etc.