Is Trump being baited, again?

Jarod said:
You can investigate anyone for any reason and not violate the 4th Amendment. Read the Amendment!!!

You can’t search private property or papers without a warrant, they went to a judge and he agrees they had pc and searched!

What’s unconditional?
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You can violates peoples 4th Amendment rights so long as you can find a judge to go along with it lol?
 
noise said:
you are a lawyer??


investigation by any prosecutorial entity has to be done with some kind of basis.
Warrants cannot be issued without probable cause.

Of course this has all been trampled under guise of "national security"- but a specific criminal investigation by a prosecutor ( not a police action) needs to have a suspected crime as a bas

Mueller has no basis - no suspected crime for his fishing expeditions
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You are ignorant. Clearly warrants have been issued by different judges agreeing that there was PC to search.

What has been done that was unconstitutional?
 
Jarod said:
You are ignorant. Clearly warrants have been issued by different judges agreeing that there was PC to search.

What has been done that was unconstitutional?
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you make unattributed statements. you fail to link.
you wander from topic to topic on your replies without mentioning it.

I have to be a detective to figure out what you are trying to say - like this -search WHAT??

and most of your posts are drama infested drumph..please be more attentive to detail if you wish to engage -thnkx
 
noise said:
that too. FISA is a pure violation ( my opinion)
FISA abuse even worse * when is that darn Horowitz report due out*?
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Huber is the one Team Mueller needs to worry about because he has authority to prosecute—-and he won’t be handing out peripheral indictments or resorting to Gestapo tactics.

I don’t think anyone knows when.
 
noise said:
correct.
I should have expressed the fact he steele dossier "birthed" the Mueller probe.

Brennan was sure to publicize it to increase political pressure ( which really is why Mueller is in business)..
the contents smacked of Russian collusion-
but as Comey said it was "salacious and unverified"
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Fireing Comey and telling the media it was due to the investigation birthed the SC.
 
PoliTalker said:
Or it could be that Mueller has strong evidence and just cause to pursue the matter. Remember: Mueller is a Republican who was praised by all, including the president, at the time he was appointed SC. He fired people who were showing bias. He is a strict by-the-rules man who believes in justice. Could be he is simply doing the best job he knows how to do and serving his nation proudly.
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Mueller was a fine, upstanding member of the justice/law enforcement community -- until he started indicting Der Gropingfuehrer's associates. Then the whining and self-pity began blaring out of the Trumphole, and his minions joined in the chorus of "Mueller so mean! Mueller so corrupt! Mueller get fired!"

Just look at them twirling and spinning in desperation here since last evening.

I'll take my Schadenfreude shaken, not stirred.
 
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noise said:
you fail (as usual) to limit your language.
I was specific to differentiate between a police action and a prosecutorial investigation.

even a grand jury requires probable cause
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So you’re claiming the investigation is unconstitutional because it’s being done by a prosecutor and not a police officer? I’m trying to figure out the distinction here?
 
Darth Omar said:
I’ve been saying for months that Trump was baited into firing Comey, who then leaked to his buddy, with the *admitted* intent to have his other buddy Mueller, appointed as SP, by his other buddy, Rosenweasel.

Then out of the blue, Mueller raids Trump’s lawyers office [or sees that it’s raided—I don’t buy the bullshit distinction] over the Stormy Gate non-issue that is light years removed from anything to do with Russians or the election.

And in the process, runs roughshod over the sacred principle of attorney/client privilege. As an aside, I was always under the impression that liberals had a strong libertarian streak in them, but their silence is deafening.

Guess I was wrong.

Then I noticed Trump speaking about it yesterday in a clip. I’m not a body language expert but he was speaking with his arms crossed and my impression was ‘this man is really pissed off’.

I think Mueller is coming up empty and wants Trump to fire him. And if I know Trump like I think I do, he’s liable say F* the political consequences, if that’s what you want, you’re fired—go join your buddy Comey.

They are absolutely after this man and will stoop to anything to get rid of him. I’ve never seen anything like it.
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That was a testament to your blind partisanship and lack of knowledge. You have everything wrong. If Mueller had nothing he would have closed the case. He is a lifetime Repug. His reputation would be toast if he were like you incorrectly claim. Trump is nuts and fired Comey. He is still nuts. Mueller ,Sessions and Rosenstein could all be fired. Trump thinks about Trump. He is willing to destroy the judicial if he thinks he can get away with it.
 
Darth Omar said:
You can violates peoples 4th Amendment rights so long as you can find a judge to go along with it lol?
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The rule is that in order to search you have to get a judge to agree to issue a warrant.... Once the judge agrees it’s constitutional, read the fourth amendment… No warrants shall issue without probable cause. In this situation several judges have agreed there was probable cause, and issued warrants.

You however are mixing your argument. You were saying the investigation in total is unconstitutional. I am saying you can conduct an Investigation against anyone for any reason under the constitution, as long as you don’t violate the fourth amendment Prohibitions against unreasonable search and seizure.
 
Darth Omar said:
Huber is the one Team Mueller needs to worry about because he has authority to prosecute—-and he won’t be handing out peripheral indictments or resorting to Gestapo tactics.

I don’t think anyone knows when.
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ya.. it's a lot to keep straight.
Huber is doing the FISA abuse in combination with Horowitz? ( prosecutorial and investigative)

Horowitz is doing the review of the Clinton investigation farce ( FBI)

the thing is none of this time is given back to the Trump administration - Mueller is a albatross/yoke
( which of course is the true purpose behind "Russian collusion" noise)
 
Jarod said:
The rule is that in order to search you have to get a judge to agree to issue a warrant.... Once the judge agrees it’s constitutional, read the fourth amendment… No warrants shall issue without probable cause. In this situation several judges have agreed there was probable cause, and issued warrants.

You however are mixing your argument. You were saying the investigation in total is unconstitutional. I am saying you can conduct an Investigation against anyone for any reason under the constitution, as long as you don’t violate the fourth amendment Prohibitions against unreasonable search and seizure.
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prosecutors by their nature use search. Cops can investigate without probable cause - but refer any criminal investigation for charges to a prosecutor.

There was no law enforcement impetus for Mueller,and Mueller is using powers of subpoena ( search) -
hence his investigation is unconstituitonal; based on unnamed/un-referenced "Russian collusion"

The hole matter is a political fishing expedition, and Mueller is unchecked even from there
 
noise said:
prosecutors by their nature use search. Cops can investigate without probable cause - but refer any criminal investigation for charges to a prosecutor.

There was no law enforcement impetus for Mueller,and Mueller is using powers of subpoena ( search) -
hence his investigation is unconstituitonal; based on unnamed/un-referenced "Russian collusion"

The hole matter is a political fishing expedition, and Mueller is unchecked even from there
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You are out of your league here, making up shit that has no basis. The investigation is holy 100% constitutional. Miller is using subpoenas, but he doesn’t have the authority to issue subpoenas on his own.
 
Jarod said:
You are out of your league here, making up shit that has no basis. The investigation is holy 100% constitutional. Miller is using subpoenas, but he doesn’t have the authority to issue subpoenas on his own.
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it's an "unholy" investigation.. lol

so where does his authority come from?
it comes from the Rosenstein charter, and the powers delegated from the DoJ to an SC.

He has the power to issue a subpoena to try to compel President Trump's testimony,
for example and it requires no other source. Once again I have to try to decipher your meanings
 
Jarod said:
You are out of your league here, making up shit that has no basis. The investigation is holy 100% constitutional. Miller is using subpoenas, but he doesn’t have the authority to issue subpoenas on his own.
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You both live in Florida, why don't you duke it out in person?

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