Imagine you are an ISIS leader...

Thing1 said:
I definitely think that the most predictable thing in the history of mankind is that RacerX is a Trump supporter.
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What was Trump doing while Obama was performing presidential duties?

Wasn't he exchanging childish insults with someone in the media?
 
Thing1 said:
I definitely think that the most predictable thing in the history of mankind is that RacerX is a Trump supporter.
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Thing1 said:
Where did you ever get the bolded?

The stated goal of most Islamic terrorist groups for decades is to create an Islamic state in the Middle East, and to remove western influence from that region. It has nothing to do w/ who they consider to be "infidels" in other regions of the world.
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Dar al Islam vs Dar al Harab. Google it. The terrorists don't make this up out of whole cloth---it's taken from the Koran.

Assuming the M.E. Caliphate were to become established, if you think it would be content to let the rest of the world alone, I don't know what to say, frankly.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Dar al Islam vs Dar al Harab. Google it. The terrorists don't make this up out of whole cloth---it's taken from the Koran.

Assuming the M.E. Caliphate were to become established, if you think it would be content to let the rest of the world alone, I don't know what to say, frankly.
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Oh, so we're talking in extreme hypotheticals now? Cool.

America started with genocide, and manifest destiny has its origins in Christianity. We stopped after that...well, only kind of. We didn't necessarily stop trying.

Why aren't you condemning America more, and expressing more fear about our own ability to take over the world?
 
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Moonflower said:
Oh I definitely believe that the burka and hijab should be banned, without any question. They are already banned in Belgium, Holland, France and Italy.
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Some experts who studied the French ban say the law's been a total failure. Now I'm speaking as a woman here, not a Muslim apologist, but it would be a cold day in hell before I let the government tell me what I could wear or not wear.

"Exactly five years after France's controversial burqa-ban was adopted, a professor who has spent years studying its impact tells The Local it has been a "complete failure" and even helped create a real threat to France. Five years after France introduced its controversial ban on wearing the full Islamic face veil in public, the subject still bitterly divides opinion. While public opinion polls suggest most French are in favour of the so-called 2010 burqa ban, as is the Socialist government, some experts who have studied its impact tell a different story.

Agnès de Féo, a sociologist and filmmaker who has explored the subject for ten years and studied the impact of the 2010 law, says it has been “a total failure”. She argues it has both encouraged Islamophobia as well as given Muslim extremists more cause to feel the need to rise up against the French state. “We created a monster," De Féo tells The Local. "Those who have left to go and fight in Syria say that this law is one of things that encouraged them. They saw it as a law against Islam. It had the effect of sending a message that Islam was not welcome in France,” she says.

The 2,000 or so women who wore the niqab before 2010, “were hardly a threat to French culture or society” De Feo says, unlike the home-grown jihadists who represent a real menace to social cohesion in the country.

Defenders of the 2010 law, brought in under the presidency of Nicolas Sarkozy, argued that its main aim as part of a security measure to bar anyone from being able to hide their identity in public.

Secondly supporters said it would help promote freedom and respect for women. Those who flout the ban are subject to €150 fines, while some undergo citizenship courses. But critics, like De Féo argued at the time that the law was simply brought in to win votes and pander to Islamophobes. “Islamophobia works very well in France,” she says. “Both on the right and the left”.

“People had the impression that the women wearing the veil were abused by men. But in ten years I have never met a woman who was forced to wear the veil by a man,” she says.

“People presented this cliché that Muslim women needed to be saved from men.”

http://www.thelocal.fr/20151012/france-burqa-ban-five-years-on-we-create-a-monster
 
Thing1 said:
Oh, so we're talking in extreme hypotheticals now? Cool.
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No, we're talking about the mission of radical Islam and how Obama dancing or Trump being a bad old meanie won't change the big picture one iota.

Thing1 said:
America started with genocide, and manifest destiny has its origins in Christianity. We stopped after that...well, only kind of. We didn't necessarily stop trying.

Why aren't you condemning America more, and expressing more fear about our own ability to take over the world?
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Oh, I dunno. Maybe because we aren't decapitating people in front of their family members, or crucifying them, blowing them up because they're the wrong religion and etc.
 
christiefan915 said:
Some experts who studied the French ban say the law's been a total failure. Now I'm speaking as a woman here, not a Muslim apologist, but it would be a cold day in hell before I let the government tell me what I could wear or not wear.

"Exactly five years after France's controversial burqa-ban was adopted, a professor who has spent years studying its impact tells The Local it has been a "complete failure" and even helped create a real threat to France. Five years after France introduced its controversial ban on wearing the full Islamic face veil in public, the subject still bitterly divides opinion. While public opinion polls suggest most French are in favour of the so-called 2010 burqa ban, as is the Socialist government, some experts who have studied its impact tell a different story.

Agnès de Féo, a sociologist and filmmaker who has explored the subject for ten years and studied the impact of the 2010 law, says it has been “a total failure”. She argues it has both encouraged Islamophobia as well as given Muslim extremists more cause to feel the need to rise up against the French state. “We created a monster," De Féo tells The Local. "Those who have left to go and fight in Syria say that this law is one of things that encouraged them. They saw it as a law against Islam. It had the effect of sending a message that Islam was not welcome in France,” she says.

The 2,000 or so women who wore the niqab before 2010, “were hardly a threat to French culture or society” De Feo says, unlike the home-grown jihadists who represent a real menace to social cohesion in the country.

Defenders of the 2010 law, brought in under the presidency of Nicolas Sarkozy, argued that its main aim as part of a security measure to bar anyone from being able to hide their identity in public.

Secondly supporters said it would help promote freedom and respect for women. Those who flout the ban are subject to €150 fines, while some undergo citizenship courses. But critics, like De Féo argued at the time that the law was simply brought in to win votes and pander to Islamophobes. “Islamophobia works very well in France,” she says. “Both on the right and the left”.

“People had the impression that the women wearing the veil were abused by men. But in ten years I have never met a woman who was forced to wear the veil by a man,” she says.

“People presented this cliché that Muslim women needed to be saved from men.”

http://www.thelocal.fr/20151012/france-burqa-ban-five-years-on-we-create-a-monster
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I was in Doha airport recently and one of the airport staff asked a woman to show her face to her. Her husband started a real song and dance about it but the woman just said nothing. We were waiting behind the arsehole and the security woman told them that it was the same policy all over the world and they wouldn't board the plane unless they complied. He finally gave up moaning and his missus just went into a side room and lifted her veil with her back to everyone else. That says it all for me.

As for the wearing of veils creating more extremism, I just don't buy that. I believe it has far more to do with the social conditions of the banlieues around Paris and ghettoes like Molenbeek in Brussels. Those communities have cut themselves off from the rest of society and the young are especially prey to firebrand clerics blaming it all on the decadent West! Women are also intimidated into wearing those oppressive garments, anybody that says otherwise is just not equipped with the facts.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Le-PenMuslimFadela-AmaraAndre-Gerinhijab.html
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Oh, I dunno. Maybe because we aren't decapitating people in front of their family members, or crucifying them, blowing them up because they're the wrong religion and etc.
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Well, our country was founded on genocide. And would you really deny the atrocities we have committed in the Middle East over the past few decades? It may not be as horrific as some of the violence that groups like ISIS commit, but it's violence nonetheless, and against many innocents.
 
Thing1 said:
Well, our country was founded on genocide. And would you really deny the atrocities we have committed in the Middle East over the past few decades? It may not be as horrific as some of the violence that groups like ISIS commit, but it's violence nonetheless, and against many innocents.
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I'd suggest that it's plenty horrific, but the skin color of the victims precludes Nurse Omar from feeling any compunction.

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I wonder what Nurse Omar would be feeling if the Syrian Air Force was bombing West Virginia and killing his friends and family.
 
Thing1 said:
Well, our country was founded on genocide. And would you really deny the atrocities we have committed in the Middle East over the past few decades? It may not be as horrific as some of the violence that groups like ISIS commit, but it's violence nonetheless, and against many innocents.
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No it wasn't. You sound like Obama.
 
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