Garland's refusal to indict Trump may be worse than Trump's crime.

Althea said:
This is going to take a Biden win in '24 to sort out. trump is being investigated for his fundraising that was supposed to be for legal expenses to prove the election was stolen. We know that he pocketed that money. Likewise for his other bogus money making schemes.

His ploy and that of his co conspirators is to keep challenging every indictment. They just want to slow down the process hoping that it all ends in Jan. '25.

Fortunately, the state courts are done with his schemes, and are now sanctioning his lawyers. One lawyer was hit with a million dollar penalty.
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Yep, we'll need a non-cult DOJ.
 
BidenPresident said:
The commander in chief is undoubtedly a unique case, and the bar and evidence necessary to prosecute a former president should be high. But in the Stormy Daniels case, Mr. Trump was clearly implicated in court papers. If he’d been anyone else, he almost certainly would have faced felony charges. How is it better for our democracy for him to escape a charge that prosecutors would levy against anyone else?


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/20/opinion/ford-nixon-trump.html
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In the Stormy case trump was "co-conspirator #1".

Cohen went to jail - trump skated.

Two systems of justice.
 
BidenPresident said:
Gerald Ford settled the issue for Jaworski, with his pardon of Richard Nixon. We have been living with the consequences of that decision ever since — and it has taken shape as an instinctual move to shy from holding presidents to account. It has also made our democracy look weaker than that of other peer countries.

The United States appears uncomfortable with applying the most basic of legal principles: No man is above the law.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/20/opinion/ford-nixon-trump.html
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Stop whining.
 
BidenPresident said:
Agree. Why it necessary to indict Trump and prosecute him for the coup attempt.
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You know what? They did finally get Weinstein and Epstein. They carried on with their horror for years/decades but finally they did see justice. Hopefully it won't take decades for trump - well - trump doesn't have decades - he eats shit and never exercises - "tick, tick".
 
LurchAddams said:
Yep, that's a lot of it. When you shoot at the king you'd better not miss.
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Not just the king, but any criminal case. Not lawyer, but most lawyers I know are self-serving, not public serving. Liberal ideology has a long, hard lean toward anti-government and anti-military (the enforcement arm of government). What's odd to me is the shift in the past 25ish years of Republicans moving from being "the Man" to hating "the Man" while Democrats have mirrored them.
 
LurchAddams said:
And trump will never spend a day in jail. He'll buy his way out. He'll pay a fine, nothing more. I'm tired of being Charlie Brown with Lucy's football. Trump's committed so many obvious crimes that you or I would have been in jail years ago for.
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It's becoming clear that Garland is consuming buckets of popcorn as he carefully watches the show going on in Georgia.

That's heating up, and it's all but a guarantee that trump will be indicted. In the end, state level prosecutions are the best way to assure trump's sentence(s) will be pardon proof.

Each lawsuit that trump is forced to testify in, yields more evidence that can be used against him in future Federal charges brought by Garland.

Whereas time is getting scarce, I hardly fear that trump will walk away unscathed. If nothing else, this embarrasses trump during his failed re election bid.

I think the document crimes will come to the fore soon.
 
Nordberg said:
Cohen followed orders. The ones Person No.1 gave him. If Cohen got 3 years, no1 will become no. 2.
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It's standard procedure to get the little fish to give up the big fish in exchange for lighter sentences.

Example: Who here would spend a weekend in prison for another JPP member? Why? Why not?

JesusAI said:
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What do JPP's haters of Jews and African-Americans think about it, Fredo? Would you go to prison or die for your WSE militia?

Do you really believe in Jesus or do you use that as a mask, Fredo?

 
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T. A. Gardner said:
No, he won't. If he were to do it for the classified documents, then Biden is going to have to be charged, and that's definitely not happening. If Garland charges Trump then dissembles and doesn't charge Biden, Biden is absolutely ass fucked come 2024. The hypocrisy of that move won't go down well with the public.
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Oh you are one of those people who simply does not understand the law and yet speaks about it anyway.

No, there is zero reason to charge Biden or Pence, as they have shown no intent to obstruct and conceal they had documents and to keep them. Trump did. He had his lawyers give sworn statements they were all in.

So Trump will be charged with obstruction and neither Pence nor Biden will because they did not do that.

It is like if you and i walk into a bank and i take out money legally, and you rob it. you get charged and i do not, despite us both having bank money on us. Why? Because you did something illegal and i did not and your defense of 'if they do not charge me they cannot charge you' is just stupid.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Wrong. Here's an example I witnessed personally. While on the USS Enterprise (E Division, EE-30) a junior sailor in M Division took a Reactor Plant Manual (RPM) home to study for qualification. Those manuals are classified. He showed it to no one, his only intention was to get qualified as quickly as possible, so his intentions were not only benign, but good. He was caught bringing the manual back on the ship. He was court martialed.

Intent has ZERO to do with it. Possession of classified material outside of where it is controlled and supposed to be is in and of itself a crime.
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Again stop speaking as you do not know WTF you are talking about with your anecdotal experience.


Here are the FACTS,

Trump gave back to the FBI and Archive a large number of classified documents prior to the sworn statement saying he had no more, and there was no intent to charge him. So despite your anecdotal experience discretion is a thing and Trump was facing no charges. It was ONLY because they realized he had more and lied and concealed them, thus committing the crime of obstruction he would face charges.

So if Pence and Biden did like Trump did initially and gave stuff over but they DID NOT, do what Trump did after lying and concealing he had more, Trump is the one who would get charged while Pence and Biden would not.

All of Trump, Pence and Biden would be treated exactly consistently in those instances. The same when handing over things over willingly, and none of the three being charged, and then any and all of them being charged after the fact if found to be concealing and obstructing.
 
LurchAddams said:
I don't think he'll ever see the inside of a prison cell. He'll pay a fine, nothing more.

We have two systems of justice in this nation.
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He won't go to prison, not even club Fed, as his Secret Service would then have to go with him. The best that can be hoped for is House Arrest and forced to wear an ankle bracelet ala Lindsey Lohen.

The reason they won't force his Secret Service to go in to jail with him, as they have powers to compel safe spaces for their charges. So it would be mayhem for the prison to try and accommodate what the SS would demand, to ensure Trumps safety. The Warden cannot just ignore the SS and Executive branch who have an obligation to ensure the safety of their charges.
 
QP! said:
Oh you are one of those people who simply does not understand the law and yet speaks about it anyway.

No, there is zero reason to charge Biden or Pence, as they have shown no intent to obstruct and conceal they had documents and to keep them. Trump did. He had his lawyers give sworn statements they were all in.

So Trump will be charged with obstruction and neither Pence nor Biden will because they did not do that.

It is like if you and i walk into a bank and i take out money legally, and you rob it. you get charged and i do not, despite us both having bank money on us. Why? Because you did something illegal and i did not and your defense of 'if they do not charge me they cannot charge you' is just stupid.
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You clearly have never held a security clearance. Intent is irrelevant to having documents where you shouldn't that are classified. As for your second example, if you and know I'm going to rob the place, and you leave in the same car as me, your just as guilty as I am.
 
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