Explosions Rip Through Catholic Churches: Islamic Radicals Claim Responsibility

dixon76710 said:
Not at all until you show us some Christian doctrine that supports their actions. David Koresh thought he was Jesus Christ and diddled little girls. Has nothing to do with christian doctrine and is instead purely a product of a disturbed mind. Muslims who kill the unbelievers have an abundance of Islamic doctrine that directly and explicitly commands them to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers. Just as Muhammad did. Just as the first four rightly guided caliphs did. Within 80 years of Muhammads death the muslims were waging jihad in Spain to the west and Afghanistan to the east.
Within 300 years of Jesus death, christianity had spread around the entire med sea. Without waging a single battle but intead by preaching the word of god. Persecuted by the then governing authorities, every step of the way. And then the Roman empire adopted christianity. Catholic doctrine replaced Christian doctrine. Christian doctrine became whatever the catholic church said was doctine.
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Good lord, what does it take for you to see that no one is saying the doctrine is the problem except you?


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Dixie said:
Again, pointing out a few isolated historic incidents over the course of centuries of Christianity, doesn't prove a damn thing. The Crusades and Inquisition have never been condoned or excused by the Christian faith or any Christian church or Christian leader. The KKK simply didn't have anything to do with Christianity. The racist hate group USED Christianity to their advantage, and again... no church or leader of Christian faith has ever condoned the KKK. As a matter of fact, the record shows that Christianity has been quite outspoken against this sort of thing.

Dixon has done a spectacular job of trouncing you with facts, directly from the Koran itself. You have yet to present ANYTHING to prove your point about Christianity, except for the few isolated incidents in history, which everyone knows about and understands is not a representation of the Christian faith.

As for your numbers, they don't add up. Millions of people have been slaughtered in the name of Allah, just in the past 50 years. We don't see Christian groups blowing up Mosques and killing Muslims, or trying to force the world to live by 5th century standards. We don't see Christians attempting to form a Caliphate and ultimately rule the world. Whenever Christians begin behaving like Muslims, it will be fine for you to make such comparisons, but that's just not the case as it stands.
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Still an idiot.
 
Return of Dune said:
Holy shit Blabo.
Catholics killing people during the inquisition doesn't count because they were killing other catholics? It is murder by Christians but it doesn't count?
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Doesnt count because NOTHING in the bible supports the killing of heretics. All that was an invention of Catholic law. Whereas with Islam, the Koran is full of verses commanding the believers to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers and death for apostates.
 
Return of Dune said:
Good lord, what does it take for you to see that no one is saying the doctrine is the problem except you?
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Yeah, I got it. Your point? Most of you apologist for Islam dont seem to know a thing about Islam or christianity and none of you have offered anything other than your personal opinions to support your views. While I can provide the text from the doctrine and writings from muslims that support everything Ive said. You have emotion and ideology and little else.
 
dixon76710 said:
Nope. They simply claim to be using religion. Christianity doesnt advocate fighting and killing unbelievers. Islam does so quite explicitly. Some christians use tortured interpretations of christian doctrine and it is the tortured interpretations of christian doctrine that motivates them, not christian doctrine as written.
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Alias? Is that you?
 
Bump.

Dixie thinks that a woman is stoned in the Middle East roughly once every 10 seconds. Didn't want that to just disappear...
 
Onceler said:
Bump.

Dixie thinks that a woman is stoned in the Middle East roughly once every 10 seconds. Didn't want that to just disappear...
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As usual, focus on one thing to distract from the reality while denying the truth. It's such a glaring flaw.
 
Alias said:
As usual, focus on one thing to distract from the reality while denying the truth. It's such a glaring flaw.
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I argued everything else completely, and well. There was really nothing you bigots had to offer but ignorance & hate, so I did think it would be fun to switch to Dixie's reign of error just for some diversion. And that wasn't the only thing he made up in his response.
 
Onceler said:
I argued everything else completely, and well. There was really nothing you bigots had to offer but ignorance & hate, so I did think it would be fun to switch to Dixie's reign of error just for some diversion. And that wasn't the only thing he made up in his response.
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The ignorance and hate is in the Koran. Do you deny those hateful verses in the Koran? There sure are a lot of muslims who are acting them out. A lot of people are being killed almost every day somewhere on this planet because of those verses in the Kora, yet all you can do is spend your time and energy defending the Koran. Kinda sick.
 
Alias said:
The ignorance and hate is in the Koran. Do you deny those hateful verses in the Koran? There sure are a lot of muslims who are acting them out. A lot of people are being killed almost every day somewhere on this planet because of those verses in the Kora, yet all you can do is spend your time and energy defending the Koran. Kinda sick.
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Where have I defended the Koran?

I think a lot of ancient texts, including the Bible, include language that is violent, ignorant & superstitious. But I respect the fact that the vast majority of people in Islam as well as Christianity focus on the positive aspects of their religion, and practice their faith privately & peacefully.
 
Onceler said:
Where have I defended the Koran?

I think a lot of ancient texts, including the Bible, include language that is violent, ignorant & superstitious. But I respect the fact that the vast majority of people in Islam as well as Christianity focus on the positive aspects of their religion, and practice their faith privately & peacefully.
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Once again you are denying reality by focusing on those in Islam who do not commit violence. They aren't the problem. The problem on this planet is not all those who are religious. The problem on this planet is many Islamists are at war with the civilized world and you defend that by focusing on the peaceful muslims.
 
Alias said:
Once again you are denying reality by focusing on those in Islam who do not commit violence. They aren't the problem. The problem on this planet is not all those who are religious. The problem on this planet is many Islamists are at war with the civilized world and you defend that by focusing on the peaceful muslims.
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You guys keep saying I'm defending things that I'm not, and you keep switching the goalposts.

You & dixon are trying to impugn Islam in general, and you both have stated such. You're hateful bigots.
 
Onceler said:
You guys keep saying I'm defending things that I'm not, and you keep switching the goalposts.

You & dixon are trying to impugn Islam in general, and you both have stated such. You're hateful bigots.
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Correct. Islam is the problem. That doesn't make me a hateful bigot. Islam is the hateful bigot and you refuse to see it.
 
Onceler said:
You guys keep saying I'm defending things that I'm not, and you keep switching the goalposts.

You & dixon are trying to impugn Islam in general, and you both have stated such. You're hateful bigots.
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No one has said anything about Islam that isn't true. You can't seem to handle the truth about Islam, and you have repeatedly lied about Christianity. It's almost as if Islam were your liberal political ideology or something, that is the extent you are going to in defending it. Now, I don't know why... maybe you're a Muslim? Maybe you believe in the tenants of Islam? Or maybe you view this is just another partisan argument in which you have to defend your "side" because it's like cheering for your favorite football team? I have no idea what's going on in your psychotic fucked up mind, and I really don't care.

Dixon posted a mountain of evidence from the Koran itself, to prove his point. You presented jack squat. All you can do is pop off some smart ass remark about Christianity, which isn't true and you can't back up. Now, you want to call everyone a "hateful bigot" and divert the conversation to the best of your ability. But you see, that is exactly what REAL bigots do! They stubbornly refuse to listen to anyone else, while clinging to their false view of things to the bitter end, insisting they are right.
 
Dixie said:
No one has said anything about Islam that isn't true. You can't seem to handle the truth about Islam, and you have repeatedly lied about Christianity. It's almost as if Islam were your liberal political ideology or something, that is the extent you are going to in defending it. Now, I don't know why... maybe you're a Muslim? Maybe you believe in the tenants of Islam? Or maybe you view this is just another partisan argument in which you have to defend your "side" because it's like cheering for your favorite football team? I have no idea what's going on in your psychotic fucked up mind, and I really don't care.

Dixon posted a mountain of evidence from the Koran itself, to prove his point. You presented jack squat. All you can do is pop off some smart ass remark about Christianity, which isn't true and you can't back up. Now, you want to call everyone a "hateful bigot" and divert the conversation to the best of your ability. But you see, that is exactly what REAL bigots do! They stubbornly refuse to listen to anyone else, while clinging to their false view of things to the bitter end, insisting they are right.
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You have said a lot of things about Islam that aren't true.

You said that a woman is stoned roughly every 10 seconds or so. No wonder you have the views that you do w/ such a backward, misinformed reality.
 
Onceler said:
And what smartass remark did I "pop off" about Christianity?

The difference w/ me is that I respect both religions.
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...the history of Christianity has just as many extremists, just as much terror, and just as much death & violence.

No, you don't respect both religions, you attack Christianity and defend Islam.

You said that a woman is stoned roughly every 10 seconds or so.
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Not what I said, but that is probably about the running average. Women are stoned every day in Islamic countries, do you deny this happens?
 
Onceler said:
You have said a lot of things about Islam that aren't true.

You said that a woman is stoned roughly every 10 seconds or so. No wonder you have the views that you do w/ such a backward, misinformed reality.
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Women are stoned, period. Homosexuals are hung. Islam is violating human rights all over the world. Stop defending Islam simply because you want their votes. Islam is bad for the civilized world.
 
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