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Explosions Rip Through Catholic Churches: Islamic Radicals Claim Responsibility
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Dixie - In Memoriam
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A few? That's ficking hillarious. Christians are histories most murderous mutha fuckers.
I don't believe that is true. I know that Atheists have killed more people than anyone else.
Your a moron educated in allabubba, of course you got the pg version from your fellow Jesus freaks. And dumbasses like you don't seek for yourself, just like in politics you parrot the rightwing.I don't believe that is true. I know that Atheists have killed more people than anyone else.
dixon76710
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Your a moron educated in allabubba, of course you got the pg version from your fellow Jesus freaks. And dumbasses like you don't seek for yourself, just like in politics you parrot the rightwing.
And you parrot the left
Christians are histories most murderous mutha fuckers.
educated????? in the streets?
New dude, acct undergrad , MBA fuck youAnd you parrot the left
educated????? in the streets?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Your a moron educated in allabubba, of course you got the pg version from your fellow Jesus freaks. And dumbasses like you don't seek for yourself, just like in politics you parrot the rightwing.
No, I got my numbers from history books. Millions killed by Atheist Communists, Atheist Nazis, Atheist Fascists, and Atheist Socialists, all throughout history. Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin... they murdered and executed about 20-times more people than Christians ever did in all the history of Christianity. Hell, combine Christians AND Muslims, the Atheists still have them beat by a mile!
dixon76710
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New dude, acct undergrad , MBA fuck you
Ah, educated, just no class.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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You are that retarded
No apparently you are, and STONED to boot!
Again, pointing out a few isolated historic incidents over the course of centuries of Christianity, doesn't prove a damn thing. The Crusades and Inquisition have never been condoned or excused by the Christian faith or any Christian church or Christian leader. The KKK simply didn't have anything to do with Christianity. The racist hate group USED Christianity to their advantage, and again... no church or leader of Christian faith has ever condoned the KKK. As a matter of fact, the record shows that Christianity has been quite outspoken against this sort of thing.
Dixon has done a spectacular job of trouncing you with facts, directly from the Koran itself. You have yet to present ANYTHING to prove your point about Christianity, except for the few isolated incidents in history, which everyone knows about and understands is not a representation of the Christian faith.
As for your numbers, they don't add up. Millions of people have been slaughtered in the name of Allah, just in the past 50 years. We don't see Christian groups blowing up Mosques and killing Muslims, or trying to force the world to live by 5th century standards. We don't see Christians attempting to form a Caliphate and ultimately rule the world. Whenever Christians begin behaving like Muslims, it will be fine for you to make such comparisons, but that's just not the case as it stands.
You're such a bigot. To characterize violence through the centuries that has been done in the name of Christianity as "a few isolated incidents" takes a special kind of idiot.
Christianity's history is rife with extremists using the religion for their own agenda, and to commit acts of violence related to that agenda. To deny that is insanity. Any attempt to argue that it diverges significantly from Islam in that respect is nothing more than hair-splitting.
dixon76710
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Christianity's history is rife with extremists using the religion for their own agenda, and to commit acts of violence related to that agenda. To deny that is insanity. Any attempt to argue that it diverges significantly from Islam in that respect is nothing more than hair-splitting.
Nope. They simply claim to be using religion. Christianity doesnt advocate fighting and killing unbelievers. Islam does so quite explicitly. Some christians use tortured interpretations of christian doctrine and it is the tortured interpretations of christian doctrine that motivates them, not christian doctrine as written.
dixon76710
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You Jesus freaks are allergic to actual history!
And the Muhammad apologists are allergic to the written word of the Koran and Hadiths.
Nope. They simply claim to be using religion. Christianity doesnt advocate fighting and killing unbelievers. Islam does so quite explicitly. Some christians use tortured interpretations of christian doctrine and it is the tortured interpretations of christian doctrine that motivates them, not christian doctrine as written.
Nope. If that was what Islam was really about, then literally hundreds of millions of Muslims throughout history would be practicing their faith in direct opposition to what the texts tell them to do.
Stop trying to justify your hate. It's embarassing.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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You're such a bigot.
No, it is actually YOU who is the bigot.
To characterize violence through the centuries that has been done in the name of Christianity as "a few isolated incidents" takes a special kind of idiot.
Well, you only mentioned a few isolated incidents where any significant number of people were killed in the name of Christianity, after claiming that Christianity had killed more than any religion. I guess that makes you a special kind of idiot.
Christianity's history is rife with extremists using the religion for their own agenda, and to commit acts of violence related to that agenda.
Now here is the golden nugget in the turd you laid.... Extremists have used religion for THEIR OWN agenda... this happens in every religion and ideology for that matter, it's kind of what extremists are all about. It is important that we distinguish between what is done in the name of a radical extremist's agenda, and what is done in the name of the religious belief itself. These are two completely different things, and to somehow dishonestly and erroneously equate the two, is just plain ignorant. This is where your bigotry is exposed, btw.
To deny that is insanity.
To deny there is not a distinction between the actions of a radical nutjob and the religious foundations they claim to represent, is indeed insane. We've now established you are an insane bigot. Congrats!
Any attempt to argue that it diverges significantly from Islam in that respect is nothing more than hair-splitting.
Oh, there is no hair to split at all when it comes to comparisons of Islam and Christianity, they are two entirely different religious philosophies. Christianity teaches peace, love, forgiveness... Islam teaches violence, hate, vengeance and death. The entire middle east is full of mass graves, with literally millions of bodies still buried, no telling how many in all... We may never really know the extent of the horrors, but just from what we have unearthed, we can only imagine it must be horrific. In the time it took you to read this post, numerous people in Muslim countries were killed for not obeying Islamic law. Every day, men women and children are killed or dismembered, because they didn't follow 5th century religious customs, according to some Mullah or Cleric. Before you finish reading this sentence, another Muslim woman was stoned to death for disobeying her husband or allowing herself to be raped.
....and here you are, defending that shit! Putting it on the same level as Christianity, a religion of forgiveness, salvation, redemption, love and peace?
Yep.... You're an Insane Bigot for sure.... you nailed that one!
dixon76710
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Nope. If that was what Islam was really about, then literally hundreds of millions of Muslims throughout history would be practicing their faith in direct opposition to what the texts tell them to do..
???uuuuhhhh YEAH! Just like literally hundreds of million of Christians dont love their enemy or turn the other cheek when they strike you. ONLY a small minority of Muslims follow a strict, literal interpretation of Islamic doctrine. Like I said, no behavior of people of a particuliar faith, will alter the content of the written doctrine. It remains the same. And you dont need to speculate what it is "really about", when you can simply read what its really about.
[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...
2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
[2.244] And fight in the way of Allah,...
[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.
[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;
[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them,
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???uuuuhhhh YEAH! Just like literally hundreds of million of Christians dont love their enemy or turn the other cheek when they strike you. ONLY a small minority of Muslims follow a strict, literal interpretation of Islamic doctrine. Like I said, no behavior of people of a particuliar faith, will alter the content of the written doctrine. It remains the same. And you dont need to speculate what it is "really about", when you can simply read what its really about.
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You say it's what it's "really about," but if that was what it was "really about," we'd see at the very least, a majority of Muslims practicing that way. There is no speculation involved; we can observe the practices of the VAST majority of those who are adherents to the faith.
Your entire argument here seems based on the idea that yes, there are extremists on both sides, but the extremists on the ISLAM side are practicing what the religion is "really about." Just on its face, that is absurd; clearly, if it is a tiny minority of the faith, it's the extremists, and by definition not what the religion is "really about."
All it represents is justification. You don't like Islam; you don't like Muslims. So, you're going to sit here & tell us what their faith is "really about," as it is portrayed by a very small few - infinitesimal, really, when you look at the overall #'s.
dixon76710
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You say it's what it's "really about," but if that was what it was "really about," we'd see at the very least, a majority of Muslims practicing that way. There is no speculation involved; we can observe the practices of the VAST majority of those who are adherents to the faith.
Silly logic. Most people are not defined by the religion they identify as theirs.
Your entire argument here seems based on the idea that yes, there are extremists on both sides, but the extremists on the ISLAM side are practicing what the religion is "really about." Just on its face, that is absurd; clearly, if it is a tiny minority of the faith, it's the extremists, and by definition not what the religion is "really about."
??? You seem to view "religion" as a group of people. I view "religion" as a pholosophy, a belief sytem. Doctrine, in the case of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, spelled out in their original texts, believed to be divinely inspired.
All it represents is justification. You don't like Islam;
No I dont. And just to point out what it is that you like-
[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...
2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
[2.244] And fight in the way of Allah,...
[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.
[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;
[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them,
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The KKK simply has NOTHING to do with the Christian Church......any more than the nut Tim McVeigh had anything to do with the Christian Church....neither are religious extremists or act in the name or with the backing of the Christian Church......The KKK are racists and McVeigh's motive was revenge against the left for Waco, a "political" cause.......
You're the fool with the warped sense of history.....the Crusades were an attempt to free the Holy Lands from the Muslims.....the Mulsims invaded and persecuted the
the Christians that had visited the Holy Lands for centuries .....it was a war in the sense of all wars between people......from my perspective, it would seem a war
of self defense against a Muslim invasion and Christian persecution....
The Inquisition was a 'war against heretics' WITHIN the Church....it had nothing to do with anyone else outside the Church for the most part.....this 'Inquisition' does fit the
mold of extremists in you case....I'll buy that with no problem.....the Intuition was ALL about religion.
So try to keep your apple and oranges in separate bags for a change....
Holy shit Blabo.
Catholics killing people during the inquisition doesn't count because they were killing other catholics? It is murder by Christians but it doesn't count?
The crusades were self defense? Thousands of soldiers travel thousands of miles to kill people in self defense?
Are you actualy retarded?