Explosions Rip Through Catholic Churches: Islamic Radicals Claim Responsibility

[Onceler]

Valid criticism of Catholic doctrine that has nothing to do with the written doctrine of the bible.



And again, KKK doctrine having nothinfg to do with Christian doctrine.

The warped views of extremists in any religion have little or nothing to do with "doctrine."

If the violence you say Islam has as "doctrine" really was such, we wouldn't stand a chance. As it is, there are millions & millions who practice the religion & somehow find a way not to kill people.

 

[dixon76710]

The warped views of extremists in any religion have little or nothing to do with "doctrine."

???? No, Thats the point. Islamic fundamentalist who wage this worldwide campaign of jihad adhere to a strict literal interpretation of their doctrine. They are Salafis, who seek to return Islam to its original form. They view the first four caliphs as the rightly guided Caliphs. Their first actions were the wars of Apostasy, fighting against the Arab tribes who stopped paying tribute to their muslim masters and rejected Islam after muhammad died. Within 80 years of Muhammads death they were waging jihad in the west in spain and in the east in Afghanistan. Expanding the rule of Islam.

If the violence you say Islam has as "doctrine" really was such, we wouldn't stand a chance. As it is, there are millions & millions who practice the religion & somehow find a way not to kill people.

Pretty naive view of religion. Using your silly logic you would conclude that the bible does not command christians to love their enemy and turn the other cheek. But it in fact does. Behavior of Christians, ignoring these commandments wont remove them from the doctrine. Just as behavior of muslims wont alter the content of the doctrine.

 

[Onceler]

???? No, Thats the point. Islamic fundamentalist who wage this worldwide campaign of jihad adhere to a strict literal interpretation of their doctrine. They are Salafis, who seek to return Islam to its original form. They view the first four caliphs as the rightly guided Caliphs. Their first actions were the wars of Apostasy, fighting against the Arab tribes who stopped paying tribute to their muslim masters and rejected Islam after muhammad died. Within 80 years of Muhammads death they were waging jihad in the west in spain and in the east in Afghanistan. Expanding the rule of Islam.



Pretty naive view of religion. Using your silly logic you would conclude that the bible does not command christians to love their enemy and turn the other cheek. But it in fact does. Behavior of Christians, ignoring these commandments wont remove them from the doctrine. Just as behavior of muslims wont alter the content of the doctrine.

That's just more cherrypicking. The fact is, the vast, vast majority of adherents to both religions practice their faith in a peaceful way. That speaks much more to the "doctrine" of each than whatever passages you can cherrypick, and whatever examples of extremists that you can find in the news.

You're floundering. If Islam was a "violent religion", we'd all be dead.

 

[NOVA]

That's how bigots think; what a ridiculous thing to say. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the KKK - the history of Christianity has just as many extremists, just as much terror, and just as much death & violence.

What a fool.

The KKK simply has NOTHING to do with the Christian Church......any more than the nut Tim McVeigh had anything to do with the Christian Church....neither are religious extremists or act in the name or with the backing of the Christian Church......The KKK are racists and McVeigh's motive was revenge against the left for Waco, a "political" cause.......

You're the fool with the warped sense of history.....the Crusades were an attempt to free the Holy Lands from the Muslims.....the Mulsims invaded and persecuted the
the Christians that had visited the Holy Lands for centuries .....it was a war in the sense of all wars between people......from my perspective, it would seem a war
of self defense against a Muslim invasion and Christian persecution....

The Inquisition was a 'war against heretics' WITHIN the Church....it had nothing to do with anyone else outside the Church for the most part.....this 'Inquisition' does fit the
mold of extremists in you case....I'll buy that with no problem.....the Intuition was ALL about religion.

So try to keep your apple and oranges in separate bags for a change....

 

[dixon76710]

That's just more cherrypicking. The fact is, the vast, vast majority of adherents to both religions practice their faith in a peaceful way. That speaks much more to the "doctrine" of each than whatever passages you can cherrypick, and whatever examples of extremists that you can find in the news.

You're floundering. If Islam was a "violent religion", we'd all be dead.

Pretty naive view of religion. The words arent altered by the adherents behavior.

 

[Onceler]

The KKK simply has NOTHING to do with the Christian Church......any more than the nut Tim McVeigh had anything to do with the Christian Church....neither are religious extremists or act in the name or with the backing of the Christian Church......The KKK are racists and McVeigh's motive was revenge against the left for Waco, a "political" cause.......

You're the fool with the warped sense of history.....the Crusades were an attempt to free the Holy Lands from the Muslims.....the Mulsims invaded and persecuted the
the Christians that had visited the Holy Lands for centuries .....it was a war in the sense of all wars between people......from my perspective, it would seem a war
of self defense against a Muslim invasion and Christian persecution....

The Inquisition was a 'war against heretics' WITHIN the Church....it had nothing to do with anyone else outside the Church for the most part.....this 'Inquisition' does fit the
mold of extremists in you case....I'll buy that with no problem.....the Intuition was ALL about religion.

So try to keep your apple and oranges in separate bags for a change....

Okay - I'll take your word for it that the KKK has nothing to do w/ Christianity, even though they say they do & burn crosses & all that. Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

That's the point. THEY say they do - it doesn't matter what bravo or the church says. Extremists who use Islam as a shield have as little to do w/ their religion as the KKK does w/ Christianity.

And your rewriting of the history of the Crusades & the Inquisition is laughable.

Those are just 3 examples, btw. Anyone who says that Christianity doesn't have a violent history is insane.

 

[Onceler]

Pretty naive view of religion. The words arent altered by the adherents behavior.

Weak response. It's a practical view of religion, not naive. And there are violent words in both texts.

 

[NOVA]

That's just more cherrypicking. The fact is, the vast, vast majority of adherents to both religions practice their faith in a peaceful way. That speaks much more to the "doctrine" of each than whatever passages you can cherrypick, and whatever examples of extremists that you can find in the news.

You're floundering. If Islam was a "violent religion", we'd all be dead.

Thats about as stupid a remark as I've heard in some time......by that logic, if the KKK were a violent group, all the blacks would be dead........

the conclusions me be, that Islam is not a violent religion and the KKK is not violent group.

 

[Jarod]

So is Christianity a violent relegen because some Christians kill Abortion Doctors?

 

[Onceler]

Thats about as stupid a remark as I've heard in some time......by that logic, if the KKK were a violent group, all the blacks would be dead........

the conclusions me be, that Islam is not a violent religion and the KKK is not violent group.

Your analogies are so bad - truly awful.

The point - which flew at a comfortable distance above your head - is that we wouldn't stand a chance because of the sheer # of Muslims in the world. Duh.

 

[NOVA]

Okay - I'll take your word for it that the KKK has nothing to do w/ Christianity, even though they say they do & burn crosses & all that. Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

That's the point. THEY say they do - it doesn't matter what bravo or the church says. Extremists who use Islam as a shield have as little to do w/ their religion as the KKK does w/ Christianity.

And your rewriting of the history of the Crusades & the Inquisition is laughable.

Those are just 3 examples, btw. Anyone who says that Christianity doesn't have a violent history is insane.

No one is claiming that Christianity doesn't have a violent history......my post clearly shows they do and what the circumstances were.....just about EVERY people in the world was a violent history due to wars of conquest or wars of self defense.....so don't talk like a moron.....

If some clown murders a thousand people and claims to be a liberal Democrat and builds shrines to Clinton and Obama, does that make him a "liberal Democrat" extremists?

Are they really associated with liberal Democrats in a sense ?......Obviously the answer is NO.....do you know how ridiculous your logic is?...

I didn't give you a history or rewrite the history of the Crusades or the Inquisition, I gave you a one line definition for what they were. So get a grip....

If you didn't go to fuckin extremes and mis characterize and mis state what others say, you would be easier to converse with....

 

[NOVA]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/chr...d-afghanistan-says-chair-us-religious-freedom


Is this work of a few extremists ?......Christianity May Be Eradicated in Iraq and Afghanistan ???

 

[dixon76710]

Okay - I'll take your word for it that the KKK has nothing to do w/ Christianity, even though they say they do & burn crosses & all that. Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

Not at all until you show us some Christian doctrine that supports their actions. David Koresh thought he was Jesus Christ and diddled little girls. Has nothing to do with christian doctrine and is instead purely a product of a disturbed mind. Muslims who kill the unbelievers have an abundance of Islamic doctrine that directly and explicitly commands them to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers. Just as Muhammad did. Just as the first four rightly guided caliphs did. Within 80 years of Muhammads death the muslims were waging jihad in Spain to the west and Afghanistan to the east.
Within 300 years of Jesus death, christianity had spread around the entire med sea. Without waging a single battle but intead by preaching the word of god. Persecuted by the then governing authorities, every step of the way. And then the Roman empire adopted christianity. Catholic doctrine replaced Christian doctrine. Christian doctrine became whatever the catholic church said was doctine.

That's the point. THEY say they do - it doesn't matter what bravo or the church says. Extremists who use Islam as a shield have as little to do w/ their religion as the KKK does w/ Christianity..

But it does matter what the doctrine says. When they act according to the written doctrine you can point to the doctrine as their motivation. When they act contrary to the doctrine, even though they claim to be christians, they are still acting contrary to doctrine.

 

[dixon76710]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/chr...d-afghanistan-says-chair-us-religious-freedom


Is this work of a few extremists ?......Christianity May Be Eradicated in Iraq and Afghanistan ???

And Egypt. They need to either accept their life of subjection or get out.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

 

[dixon76710]

Weak response. It's a practical view of religion, not naive. And there are violent words in both texts.

Violent words dont pose a problem in todays world. Commandments to "fight" "kill" "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers do so.

 

[dixon76710]

So is Christianity a violent relegen because some Christians kill Abortion Doctors?

Only if they are acting according to their religious doctrine. NOTHING in the bible would support killing a doctor. "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", "turn the other cheek", "love your enemy" and all of that. Some Christians diddle little boys in the ass but that is directly in contradiction of the doctrine.

 

[Onceler]

Not at all until you show us some Christian doctrine that supports their actions. David Koresh thought he was Jesus Christ and diddled little girls. Has nothing to do with christian doctrine and is instead purely a product of a disturbed mind. Muslims who kill the unbelievers have an abundance of Islamic doctrine that directly and explicitly commands them to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers. Just as Muhammad did. Just as the first four rightly guided caliphs did. Within 80 years of Muhammads death the muslims were waging jihad in Spain to the west and Afghanistan to the east.
Within 300 years of Jesus death, christianity had spread around the entire med sea. Without waging a single battle but intead by preaching the word of god. Persecuted by the then governing authorities, every step of the way. And then the Roman empire adopted christianity. Catholic doctrine replaced Christian doctrine. Christian doctrine became whatever the catholic church said was doctine.




But it does matter what the doctrine says. When they act according to the written doctrine you can point to the doctrine as their motivation. When they act contrary to the doctrine, even though they claim to be christians, they are still acting contrary to doctrine.

Extremist Christians have always pointed to "doctrine" as justification for their actions. Talk about naive.

That's the nature of extremists; they warp the religion for their own purposes. This is nothing new; and it is nothing that is exclusive to Islam.

You're just desperate, but you can't ignore history.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Why did they ban you?

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why can't you answer the question....

 

[dixon76710]

Extremist Christians have always pointed to "doctrine" as justification for their actions. Talk about naive.

Then it should be pretty easy for you to show us even one example.

That's the nature of extremists; they warp the religion for their own purposes. This is nothing new; and it is nothing that is exclusive to Islam.

No, Islamic fundamentalist adhere to a strict, literal interpretation of dioctrine. Not a warped interpretation.

You're just desperate, but you can't ignore history.

I cant determine the content of doctrine by examining history. Silly to try when their doctrine is written out for us. YOU cant ignore doctrine if you want to make claims about the doctrine.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

That's how bigots think; what a ridiculous thing to say. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the KKK - the history of Christianity has just as many extremists, just as much terror, and just as much death & violence.

What a fool.

Again, pointing out a few isolated historic incidents over the course of centuries of Christianity, doesn't prove a damn thing. The Crusades and Inquisition have never been condoned or excused by the Christian faith or any Christian church or Christian leader. The KKK simply didn't have anything to do with Christianity. The racist hate group USED Christianity to their advantage, and again... no church or leader of Christian faith has ever condoned the KKK. As a matter of fact, the record shows that Christianity has been quite outspoken against this sort of thing.

Dixon has done a spectacular job of trouncing you with facts, directly from the Koran itself. You have yet to present ANYTHING to prove your point about Christianity, except for the few isolated incidents in history, which everyone knows about and understands is not a representation of the Christian faith.

As for your numbers, they don't add up. Millions of people have been slaughtered in the name of Allah, just in the past 50 years. We don't see Christian groups blowing up Mosques and killing Muslims, or trying to force the world to live by 5th century standards. We don't see Christians attempting to form a Caliphate and ultimately rule the world. Whenever Christians begin behaving like Muslims, it will be fine for you to make such comparisons, but that's just not the case as it stands.