EXPERTS ARE PREDICTING AN ‘EXPLOSION’ OF INEXPENSIVE ELECTRIC CARS

[Into the Night]

Looks like you got screwed by buying one early on. Joey wets panties.

These cars are no better than any EV with such small batteries (only about 150Mj).

Take the Chevy Equinox (still yet to be released, claiming a 'whopping' 250 mile range for $30,000. A compact car that's a piece of shit.
I can buy THREE brand new gasoline piece of shits the same size for the price of ONE Equinox.

Those three cars can each tow a small trailer too. The Equinox won't be able to do that.

 

[Into the Night]

They wouldn't. But they do not explode.

You're right. They burn.

 

[Lightbringer]

I don't have to fill the gas tank after driving home from work. I don't have to plug my car in either.

I used to drive a hybrid that I never had to plug in. I wonder why that technology was taken off the market.

 

[Into the Night]

How far can you go in a winter storm with the heater and windshield wipers running?

A car equipped with a 150Mj battery (such as a Tesla model 3) experiences a range reduction of about 23% in winter driving conditions with heater, defroster, lights, and windshield wipers running. This reduces range from 250mi to approx. 170 miles. (Configuration: new battery, fully charged condition at beginning of trip, ideal conditions for first case (dry and maintained roads, 70 deg F), and no use of HVAC, lights, or windshield wiper; typical winter conditions for 2nd case (rain or snow, short days, 35 deg F), making use of HVAC, lights, wipers).

Performance becomes progressively worse at colder temperatures such as those common in the North Dakota or Minnesota in winter.

Corrosion is also more of a problem in some States in winter, due to the use of salt on roads to try to deice them. EVs will catch fire and burn (totaling the car) if battery connections become corroded.
Flooding damage is also an issue, as this sets up similar corrosion.
Operating the car for long periods of time near salt water can also cause corrosion.

Yes, EVs do catch fire in L.A., San Francisco, New Orleans, and anywhere else exposure to salt laden air is common.

 

[Lightbringer]

A car equipped with a 150Mj battery (such as a Tesla model 3) experiences a range reduction of about 23% in winter driving conditions with heater, defroster, lights, and windshield wipers running. This reduces range from 250mi to approx. 170 miles. (Configuration: new battery, fully charged condition at beginning of trip, ideal conditions for first case, typical winter conditions for 2nd case).

And that doesn't happen in that climate so deduct a few more miles.

 

[Into the Night]

An EV would be a good option for a second car to toodle around town with but not as your main vehicle

An EXPENSIVE option.

 

[Into the Night]

My middle daughter and husband just got a 2023 Chevy Bolt. They got enough incentives from both the federal and their state to bring the price (and monthly note) down to what they were paying for the GP vehicle she traded in.

So you have no problem with making me pay for your car. Gotit. Fuck you.

 

[Into the Night]

EV doesn't work for me, but a hybrid would.

If I went with an EV, I would also have solar for charging. We don't have issues with the power grid in NY, as we have huge solar farms cropping up everywhere. I can see where congested cities would have an issue in the summer, though.

New York currently has 8 million customers that have no power (blackout). New York has also seen not one, but TWO black start events.

To charge an EV using only solar power, it would take you about 200 hours to charge that car and would require a solar panel array of 1000 panels.
(Configuration: 360Mj battery, going from fully discharged to fully charged, level 1 charging; clear days at or near equinox; new 100w panels, squeaky clean, no trees or other cover; no ballast; 72 deg F ambient temperature at charger)

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There are more and more of them on the road - Harley is even making an electric bike - and it's NOT because the government's behind them - it's because auto and motorcycle manufacturers know there's a market for EV's.

Yes, it is because the government is forcing this. There is no other reason. If as a manufacturer you knew--KNEW--that if you didn't switch to battery powered cars, or whatever, you could no longer sell your current product line in 8 to 10 years, what would you do? You'd switch to battery powered cars. That's the situation, and there's no way to deny it.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

California will run out of money. Giving illegals electricity ain't cheap.

It wouldn't be the first time it happened...

 

[Into the Night]

TA Garbler would rather buy an ICE car that is slower, requires more maintenance, is more expensive to maintain
and explodes.

The ICE car is faster and can go farther, requires the same maintenance when new (and requires only simple easily obtainable tools to do it), is MUCH cheaper to maintain, is MUCH cheaper to insure, lasts a very long time (some cars from the 1940s and 1950s are still on the road today!) and doesn't explode (with the exception of some notably bad designs in a collision).

The EV has good acceleration only when the battery is at or near a full charge, requires special tools and equipment for maintenance that are very expensive, is easily totaled in any collision (one battery damaged means the car is totaled), is very expensive to insure, and has a life span of approx. only 10 years. The cost of replacing the battery effectively totals the car.

 

[Lightbringer]

The ICE car is faster and can go farther, requires the same maintenance when new (and requires only simple easily obtainable tools to do it), is MUCH cheaper to maintain, is MUCH cheaper to insure, lasts a very long time (some cars from the 1940s and 1950s are still on the road today!) and doesn't explode (with the exception of some notably bad designs in a collision).

The EV has good acceleration only when the battery is at or near a full charge, requires special tools and equipment for maintenance that are very expensive, is easily totaled in any collision (one battery damaged means the car is totaled), is very expensive to insure, and has a life span of approx. only 10 years. The cost of replacing the battery effectively totals the car.

Yep.

 

[Into the Night]

COMPANY MAKES MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH IN SOLVING ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WITH EVS:
‘WE’VE SPENT OVER A DECADE IN THE LABS’

by Jill Ettinger*/*May 20, 2023

If your electric vehicle (EV) could charge in less time than it takes to grab a cup of coffee, would you make the switch? One tech company thinks it can solve the charging challenge and reduce “range anxiety,” too.*
California-based Sila, a leading advanced battery materials company, announced that it has achieved a 20% increase in EV range per charge. It said it can also deliver faster charging capabilities through the development of nano-composite silicon-anode battery technology.
Dubbed Titan Silicon, Sila’s battery innovation features silicon anodes that can go from a 10% charge to an 80% charge in just 20 minutes. The company said it thinks it can reduce this time even further — getting it down to 10 minutes in future iterations.
“With the wide adoption of EVs, consumers are looking for best-in-class solutions that deliver best-in-class performance, and our solutions provide just that: longer range and faster charge,” Gene Berdichevsky, Sila’s co-founder and CEO, told Freethink.
Sila’s technology also claims to reduce battery weight by up to 15% and increase space by up to 20%, and it’s also compatible with existing battery form factors.
Silicon anodes have been touted as the next significant advancement in battery technology for years. A number of car companies, including Tesla and General Motors, have shown enthusiasm for the tech. But the first EV manufacturer to access the tech is expected to be Germany’s Mercedes-Benz. Its 2024 EQG will feature the Titan Silicon cells, as InsideEVs reported.

Vaporware.

 

[Into the Night]

"EXPLOSION" is an accurate claim, because as the EVs are driven, battery voltage drops; when voltage drops, amperage goes up, which creates heat.

If it continues, in a very short time, an explosion is highly possible, even probable.

Not quite.

Lithium ion batteries don't explode, unless they are shorted. They burn instead.

 

[Into the Night]

If they can get charge time down to ten minutes then I would switch but here’s another problem

How long until people running charging stations start charging as much as gas costs?

Or even more?

Considering the cost of building all those additional power plants and operating them, that is likely to be much more expensive then gasoline.
Don't forget the rising cost of lithium, making these cars more and more expensive to buy.

 

[Into the Night]

I was listening to a piece about silicon tech. on Public Radio the other day.

We aren't there yet, but the future is indeed promising.

Which is why I never buy first generation anything.

It's vaporware. It's like fusion.

 

[Into the Night]

Can you make gasoline in your garage?

Yes. It's actually fairly easy.

You can charge your car in a garage.

So?

 

[Into the Night]

Sorry to hear that. Do you have electricity in the apartment?

So you just expect the apartment to just front the cost of charging stations and block off some of it's parking spaces for the purpose for nothing?? How about the transformers and additional wiring needed to handle them?

 

[Into the Night]

No, it's not. Your comments show an utter and complete ignorance of how apartment building electrical systems work.

See that? That's typical apartment meter and service entry panel--for 6 apartments in this case. Each apartment has its own meter and service disconnect breaker (under the square flap next to the meter). That breaker is usually an 80 or 100 amp 240 VAC single phase.

To install a charging system would require the installation of buried conduit, pulled THW wire suitable for the load, and then installation of the charging station. I'd guess, per station in an existing apartment complex of the sort I go to on service calls, that each station would run somewhere between $3000 and $5000 to install depending on the lengths of runs and how much concrete and asphalt has to be cut and replaced. It might run more. If there are issues with the service panel, or the panel has insufficient power in it to handle the extra load you're looking at another, roughly, $10,000 to replace it.

All of that is because the landlord doesn't pay for electricity. Each tenant pays their own bill off their own meter. Then there's the issue with theft. One tenant uses another tenant's charging station to charge their vehicle. The tenant who had electricity stolen would then have to sue the one that stole it, assuming they could figure out who it is. Or, someone who doesn't even live in the complex steals a charge and disappears. Good luck getting that back.

Then there's copper thieves, etc. The whole idea that you can put in masses of charging stations at an apartment complex is absurdly asinine and expensive. If the landlord is the one owning the stations and they charge per use, they could simply jack the rate per KWH charged through the rafters. You don't like it? Go somewhere else to charge. The landlord could easily justify it on the basis of theft and vandalism along with recouping the cost of installation.

Well put. Your estimates are pretty consistent with most electricians.

 

[Into the Night]

It is about supply and demand. If stations start charging too much, then people will charge more at home. There is no similar thing people can do if gas stations start charging too much.

Electricity gets you options. A lot is made that you can get electricity from gasoline easily, but think about this: can you get gasoline from electricity? If you do not have easy access to electricity through the grid(rare, but possible), you can easily use a portable generator to generate electricity from gasoline. If you do not have gasoline, but are connected to the electrical grid, you still do not have gasoline. If gasoline prices go up, but you still have cheap hydro electric power, you are going to have to pay through the nose for gasoline.

And if the oil companies who control how much the gas stations can charge jack up the prices, you are stuck paying higher prices or going nowhere.... Assuming you do not have an electric car.

TANSTAAFL. Electricity ain't free. Most electricity is generated by natural gas or coal.