EXPERTS ARE PREDICTING AN ‘EXPLOSION’ OF INEXPENSIVE ELECTRIC CARS

[Into the Night]

Building electric charging stations for apartments is easy. All you need is an electrical source which all apartment buildings have.

Simple.

Not so simple. Wiring costs for these things is significant. So is the load on the electrical grid. California already imports most of it's power from the WRIC. Those lines are overloaded. The WRIC will not sacrifice itself to save California from it's idiocy.

You cannot charge your electric car in a blackout.

Next question?

Where is all that electricity you are demanding to charge your precious EVs going to come from?

One day soon, all gas stations will also have electrical charging stations.

Hallucination.

Sheetz has already started installing them.

A few. That is not all gas stations, and not even all Sheetz gas stations.

 

[Into the Night]

Every time a lefty posts on this board it is quite apparent they do not have, nor never had a job. Fucking welfare collecting assholes.

Exactly. He has the gall to require other people to pay for his car.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Not so simple. Wiring costs for these things is significant. So is the load on the electrical grid. California already imports most of it's power from the WRIC. Those lines are overloaded. The WRIC will not sacrifice itself to save California from it's idiocy.

You cannot charge your electric car in a blackout.

Where is all that electricity you are demanding to charge your precious EVs going to come from?

Hallucination.

A few. That is not all gas stations, and not even all Sheetz gas stations.

Actually, what California in effect is doing is shifting much of their electrical production to neighboring states because the companies that produce the energy want the money involved and the easiest way for them to do that is to build power plants in other states and send the electricity to California. They don't give a rat's ass that Californians will pay triple what a rational plan would cost for electricity, only that they are making bank selling it to California.

 

[RB 60]

Actually, what California in effect is doing is shifting much of their electrical production to neighboring states because the companies that produce the energy want the money involved and the easiest way for them to do that is to build power plants in other states and send the electricity to California. They don't give a rat's ass that Californians will pay triple what a rational plan would cost for electricity, only that they are making bank selling it to California.

California will run out of money. Giving illegals electricity ain't cheap.

 

[LurchAddams]

Prove it.

The NFPA says there are about 560 deaths due to gasoline vehicle fires a year.
https://www.nfpa.org/-/media/Files/...nd-reports/US-Fire-Problem/osvehiclefires.pdf

On the other hand, there doesn't seem to be any source that accounts for deaths from lithium battery fires nationally. But, the piecemeal evidence is that more are injured and die from lithium vehicle fires than gasoline even as EV's make up a tiny fraction of all vehicles on the road.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...hs-in-2023-now-fdny-is-cracking-down/4122413/
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/lithium-ion-b...d-deaths-in-vancouver-officials-say-1.5945475
https://www.amny.com/news/chief-fire-marshal-talks-dangers-of-lithium-ion-batteries/

Worse in this respect is that people have little qualms about having lithium batteries on various devices within their homes while virtually no one stores gasoline in their home.

https://www.consumerreports.org/hea...-fires-and-lithium-ion-batteries-a4632489902/
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/b...ty-concerns-amid-rise-fires/story?id=95617246

Lithium ion batteries 'number one' cause of fire-related deaths in Vancouver, officials say
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/lithium-ion-b...d-deaths-in-vancouver-officials-say-1.5945475

Deaths Due to Lithium-ion Battery Fires Continue to Rise, FDNY Says
https://www.firehouse.com/operation...mion-battery-fires-continue-to-rise-fdny-says

The manufacturer of EV semi-trucks, Nikola Motors just had a large battery fire in their parking lot with four of their trucks burning.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...la-motor-co-phoenix-headquarters/70350221007/

Gruber Motors, one of the most prolific aftermarket EV repair shops for Teslas has burned to the ground more than once because of lithium battery fires.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/19/dozens-of-original-tesla-roadsters-lost-in-gruber-motors-fire/

On the whole, lithium batteries are far more dangerous than gasoline.

There are more and more of them on the road - Harley is even making an electric bike - and it's NOT because the government's behind them - it's because auto and motorcycle manufacturers know there's a market for EV's.

 

[Into the Night]

How long does it take to charge up a battery?

The Chevy Equinox EV is going to have a 100kwh battery (ignore the unit problem). Using a level 1 charger, it will take approx 100 hours to charge this battery. Using a level 2 charger, it improves slightly, requiring only 80 hours. This is a compact car with cheap interior that will sell for approx $30,000 making a loss seller at that price. Well...that's Government Motors for ya.

During this time, approximately 200kwh will have been used to charge this battery.
Configurations: normal 120v 20a socket for level 1 (no other loads on that circuit); specially installed 240v 20a socket for level 2 (about like running your electric dryer for 80 hours); both charging from fully discharged to fully charged.

GM is already well known for their electrical issues, even on their gasoline cars. Their trucks aren't quite as bad, but they too suffer more electrical problems than other trucks. They are also well known for their corrosion problems, with major issues in as little as a year from a new car purchase. Most of this is due to poor grounding and incompatible metals allowed to touch in a moist environment. They are also known for making promises of mileage that are completely bogus.

It is still a pretty big question whether they will even be able to achieve a 360Mj battery (that's the correct units for a battery) for $30,000. Due to the rising cost of lithium, they may have to cut back to a 150Mj battery. This will, of course, decrease available range by about half. It will take half the time to charge it though! (whoopie)

 

[Into the Night]

The experts were proclaiming that sanctions would certainly immediately crumble the Russian economy.

You will never cure him of 'expert' worship.

 

[Into the Night]

So even the quickest charger takes 20-40 minutes to get your battery to 80%

Compared to five minutes to pump gas

I don’t see that catching on

It isn't. The only place EVs are succeeding at all is where it's mandated (fascism) or heavily subsidized (communism). In the unfettered market, they don't succeed.

 

[Into the Night]

If you charge a Tesla from dead it will take 4 days. It varies based on the KW of the battery. I do not see this catching on either for now. It would be better to ease into all this with hybrid engine/electric vehicles.

Hybrid designs, such as the Prius, means you are carrying the weight of two power plants instead of one. They get no better fuel mileage than a poorer performing car of the same size.

 

[Into the Night]

The "experts" were sure that we had to destroy our economy and greatly damage kids by closing schools to save ourselves from Sars-Cov2.

Exactly. 'Experts' is just another way of saying 'Democrat'.

 

[Into the Night]

You plug in when you go to sleep. Wake up. full charge.

TANSTAAFL.

 

[Into the Night]

Level 1 20-40 hours
level 2 8 to 12 hours
Superchargers 15 to 25 minutes.
And real charging is much faster because people do not run their cars to zero.

Level 2 chargers do not charge in 8 to 12 hours, since the charge rate is controlled by the car, not the charger.
For a typical 290Mj battery (such as used on a low end Tesla Model 3), it will take approx 15-30 hours. This configuration gives the Model 3 a range of about 250 miles, pretty pitiful. This charging cycle will consume about 160kwh of electricity to accomplish.

This car is unable to tow anything. Conditions: ideal operating temperature, new battery pack, no additional loads such as lights, heater, defrost, wipers.

Under winter conditions, these numbers are worse, along with available range. This is due to demand on the battery being highest in colder temperatures, where the battery cannot deliver current as effectively or charge as fast.

 

[Into the Night]

Ideally.....there are many reports of people seeing EV's on flat bed tow trucks, presumably because they ran out of power, which might partly account for the obvious lack of demand for EV's.

Happened to my neighbor. He has a Tesla Model 3 extended range version. (he doesn't own it, he just leases it, due to the high price of the car). He also went through the expense of hiring the electrician to install the 240v (level 2) charging port in the garage, only to find out the thing doesn't charge the car all that much faster.

As a result, he had to pay through the nose for a flatbed truck to haul his dead beast to charging station, and then pay to charge the car enough to get it home. After that, he was able to fully charge the car in about 25 hours on his level 2 charger whch added to the charge he bought at the charging station they hauled him to.

 

[Into the Night]

Running your EV out of charge on the road is extremely expensive in time and money.

That it is.
In my neighbor's case, he was lucky. The nearest charging station (a level 2) was only a few miles away. He had to wait for it to clear though. All the available stations were charging other cars and one was busted.
All in all, he spent $300 for the tow and a sufficient charge to get home, plus wasted about four hours of his life on it.

 

[Into the Night]

Many areas simply don't have the infrastructure in place to handle thousands of EV cars all charging at the same time...yet.

California in particular. They already import almost all their electrical power on some very overloaded lines.

 

[Into the Night]

Many people run out of gas so why wouldn’t they run out of charge also?

True. People run out of gas. It's easy to carry gasoline in a gas can though. A gas station is usually not far away either, even by walking.

 

[Into the Night]

And if we converted to all EV's then the power grid and generation would require many trillions of dollars in investments.

Approximately $750 trillion. This is about 120 times the entire federal budget.
That's only for the power plants. The lines have to be upgraded too and more substations will have to be built.
Operating costs for those power plants or the new equipment is not included.

Sources: Office of Energy Information, US Treasury.

 

[Lightbringer]

EXPERTS ARE PREDICTING AN ‘EXPLOSION’ OF INEXPENSIVE ELECTRIC CARS

Well, those inexpensive EV's will definitely explode so I guess they ain't wrong.

 

[Into the Night]

Why would they all be charging at the same time? I have a Tesla Model Y and I charge my EV about once every two weeks. Charges overnight in the garage.
I haven't been to a gas station in two years.

So why don't you drive your Tesla much? You bought an expensive car and you don't drive it??

 

[Into the Night]

It isn't a thing. Range anxiety comes with buying an EV. Your screen ticks off the use telling you how much range is left. You are always aware of what's left. but I never ran out of gas in an ICE car either. You must have done it regularly.
You start the day with a full charge. Drive to work and back, maybe shop. When you go home you plug in. It takes a few seconds. A lot faster than filling a gas tank.

I don't have to fill the gas tank after driving home from work. I don't have to plug my car in either.