Bible Banned as a Dirty Book in Utah

Althea said:
That's plural.

I believe the issue is that one person who has never read any book being challenged can now force removal.
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Which is both a State's Right choice and fucking moronic.

Neither Trump nor DeSantis created this idiocy; it's been a long time coming. They are simply capitalizing on it.
 
Althea said:
LOL. We dinosaurs can now simpy use the internet.
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I don't trust all the internet links out there, and am dubious about downloading PDFs from weblinks I've never heard of.

The public library's website is a trustworthy source that makes it easy to find and download the best e-book translations of the Bible, Daodejing, Dhammapada, etc., and find annotated e-copies with commentary by established experts.
 
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Cypress said:
I've always kind of liked the idea that there will be consequences for truly evil people. Hitler and Stalin deserve to be in the ninth circle of hell.

In one sense you are probably right; we don't need religion because as a human civilization we have just inherited and adopted many of the ethical frameworks and moral imperatives of the major religions traditions, and just stripped away the religious language and context..
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Stalin was our ally. He did purge a lot of Nazi sympathizers and collaborators, however. Millions of them.

And even a Hitler, as horrible as he was, can't cause enough misery in one short human lifetime to deserve eternal damnation.
Eternity is a long time.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Agreed upon or died out. Tribes that condone mass murder and rape of its members don't last long.

No one knows for sure about the afterlife, but we can certainly figure out the best way to get along.
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Being able to restrain oneself from murdering your peers in the tribe, herd, or pack is undoubtedly a natural instinct originating from evolutionary biology shared by all sentient life.

I think the real strength of the great religious and philosophical traditions is the thought put into advancing the concepts of a universal human ethical framework, and setting the goals to be aiming for.


Bhagavad-Gita, chapter 16
Fearlessness, purity of being, knowledge, generosity, discipline, sacrifice, sacred study, austerity, honesty, non-harm, truth, non-anger, letting go, peace, non-slander, kindness to living things, non-greed, gentleness, modesty, non-caprice, energy, forgiveness, resolve, cleanliness, non-aggression, non-arrogance -- those exist in one born to godly assets.

Zhuangzi:
Humans who have freed themselves from the slavery of conventional standards of judgement and desire can no longer be made to suffer. So the Daoist remains within society but refrains from acting out of motives that lead conventional humans to struggle for wealth, fame, reputation, success, security. He maintains a course of action that is not purposefully motivated by any gain or reward. In such a state human action becomes spontaneous and effortless. Humans become one with heaven, and merge with the Dao.

Analects of Confucius, Chapter XVI-10:
Confucius said, “There are nine things upon which a gentleman focuses his attention: in regard to using his eyes, he is anxious to see clearly; when listening, he focuses on being discerning; in his countenance, he is anxious to be amiable; in his demeanor, he focuses on being reverent; in his speech, he focuses on being dutiful; in his actions, he focuses on being respectful; when in doubt, he focuses on asking questions; when angry, he focuses on thinking about the the difficulties he may cause others ; and when he sees gain to be had, he focuses upon righteousness
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Cypress said:
Being able to restrain oneself from murdering your peers in the tribe, herd, or pack is undoubtedly a natural instinct originating from evolutionary biology shared by all sentient life.

I think the real strength of the great religious and philosophical traditions is the thought put into advancing the concepts of a universal human ethical framework, and setting the goals to be aiming for.
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An instinct in some animals, but not all. For humans, it's a logical choice.

Religions and governmental leadership help reinforce that logical choice.
 
Doc Dutch said:
An instinct in some animals, but not all. For humans, it's a logical choice.

Religions and governmental leadership help reinforce that logical choice.
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Presumably the social framework of early Homo sapiens is reasonably approximated to an extent by our close relatives the chimpanzees. Chimpanzees will kill other chimps from other colonies if there is a benefit to doing so, but there are social sanctions and natural instincts in place to discourage one from killing one's own family members or peers within your own tribal group.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Stalin was our ally. He did purge a lot of Nazi sympathizers and collaborators, however. Millions of them.

And even a Hitler, as horrible as he was, can't cause enough misery in one short human lifetime to deserve eternal damnation.
Eternity is a long time.
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Excellent point.

Anyone still worshiping a god that promises ETERNAL punishment for any reason...is only "worshiping" from fear. There is NO LOVE INVOLVED. Any protestations of love...are bullshit.
 
Cypress said:
Presumably the social framework of early Homo sapiens is reasonably approximated to an extent by our close relatives the chimpanzees. Chimpanzees will kill other chimps from other colonies if there is a benefit to doing so, but there are social sanctions and natural instincts in place to discourage one from killing one's own family members or peers within your own tribal group.
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No doubt, but the human cerebrum is the major difference between us and our closest relatives. IMO, it's the difference between genetic programming and conscious choice.

Not an expert, but I have no doubt that chimps are also subject to socialization along with genetic programming. No doubt chimp researchers would be able to tell the differences of nature vs. nurture in chimp troops.

https://elifesciences.org/articles/18683
The human brain is about three times as big as the brain of our closest living relative, the chimpanzee. Moreover, a part of the brain called the cerebral cortex – which plays a key role in memory, attention, awareness and thought – contains twice as many cells in humans as the same region in chimpanzees. Networks of brain cells in the cerebral cortex also behave differently in the two species.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Pushing one religion over another would be a violation of church and state, but teaching about the world's religions is educational. Just don't show favoritism.
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You’re actually referring to the establishment clause in the Bill of Rights that says “Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion”. It's been dissected and redefined and perverted for 2 1/2 centuries to mean anything to anybody.
Your bias is noted.
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I embrace my bias toward Christianity

How would you make public schools better?
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I'm the wrong person to ask. The school boards here are all far left and connected at the hip to the union, who has their nuts in a vice and always will. I'm very lucky to work at a magnet school that's difficult to get into, and the students are very motivated. We also challenge them academically, and they don't have a lot of time to screw around.
 
Cypress said:
School prayer was never banned at public schools.

What was prohibited were teachers, as public employees, leading class in prayer.

Kids can pray as much as they want with friends or individually at recess, lunch break, between classes, etc.

That's the same reason a bible or Qur'an in the highschool library isn't an issue. No teacher or other public employee is supposed to use it to lead classes in bible study.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abington_School_District_v._Schempp
 
Callinectes said:
You’re actually referring to the establishment clause in the Bill of Rights that says “Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion”. It's been dissected and redefined and perverted for 2 1/2 centuries to mean anything to anybody.

I embrace my bias toward Christianity

I'm the wrong person to ask. The school boards here are all far left and connected at the hip to the union, who has their nuts in a vice and always will. I'm very lucky to work at a magnet school that's difficult to get into, and the students are very motivated. We also challenge them academically, and they don't have a lot of time to screw around.
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Not a lawyer, but SCOTUS seems to have interpreted the meaning a few times.

Your freedom to do so. God bless America. :flagsal:

All freely elected and governed by your state per the Constitution. Why not move to Florida?
 
Earl said:
The Bible was not banned.

"The 72,000-student Davis School District north of Salt Lake City removed the Bible from its elementary and middle schools while keeping it in high schools after a committee reviewed the scripture in response to a parental complaint."

Would that loon, Marty, say that filth, the Koran, doesn't belong in our schools and good riddance to it?
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To the left, that means 'BANNED'. It's no different with the 'banned' books in Florida.
 
Wait,....Callinectes, did you actually just take Rush Limbaugh's word for it that prayer was never allowed on school property?? You actually just believed that for 30 years without ever questioning it?
 
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