I'm saying its bullshit. I'm sure the official reporting of kidnappings in Mogadishu aren't exactly precise.
AZ governor Brewer's popularity grows
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I'm saying its bullshit. I'm sure the official reporting of kidnappings in Mogadishu aren't exactly precise.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
"We" meaning you're an Arizona resident? If so, then maybe you can enlighten us all as to how a ban on produce to Arizona would be negligible....or a similar situation with the tourist trade.
If not, then stop exaggerating your actual worth in a discussion. Carry on.
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
Well, you don't have worth, and yet you continue to post...
USFREEDOM911
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Did you even read the entire article??
The posting even supports this:
"...with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City..."
USFREEDOM911
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Well, we also don't have accurate figures from Alpha Centauri; but then, using your logic, none of your complaints about anything can be verified either.
You picked the road, so now enjoy walking on it.
USFREEDOM911
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Are you suggesting that AZ gets most of it's produce and tourists from CA and/or NM.
With the voiced support from other States, we'll do just fine.
How is SF going to do with 25% less power??
Dixie - In Memoriam
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One thing that is so frustrating about this, is the disinformation being thrown out there by the truckload. There is absolutely NO difference in the AZ law and Federal law, or what it allows and doesn't allow from the LEO or Federal agent. A Federal agent doesn't have a reason to make legal contact with anyone in Arizona, unless they have violated a Federal law. For this reason, in most cases, such a person would have a felony warrant against them, before the Federal agent would ever be making initial contact. They would have no other reason to be making such a contact, as that would fall under the jurisdiction of local law enforcement, not Federal agents... (Federal agents can't stop you for speeding, it's not their job.)
A Border Patrol officer, is an agent of the Federal government, and they are supposed to apprehend persons they suspect have crossed the border illegally. Not arrest them, but apprehend them. They are then supposed to turn them over to ICE for verification and/or deportation, there is no "arrest" made. The Arizona law, does not allow law enforcement officers to "arrest" people they suspect of being here illegally! The law doesn't even allow them to detain and question people on that basis alone. It states specifically, in four different places, that racial profiling is not allowed, not permitted, and not authorized in any way. For the Arizona LEO to implement this law, some other law has to first be broken or suspected with probable cause and reasonable suspicion, and a legal contact made with the person in question. They can arrest the person on other violations of the law, and THEN check their legal status, which is exactly the same as what any Federal agent can do. In fact, a Border Patrol officer can detain someone they suspect has crossed the border illegally, without any other law being broken, while an Arizona LEO must have some other violation of the law in play.
But this has all been distorted by the left-wing media, the same as they did with Katrina, Schiavo, Bush, Iraq, Palin, and everything else... It's the new Liberal militant tactic... Initiate an outright lie and distortion, and continue to pound it home, over and over and over and over, day and night, 24-7, as long as it takes, until you have enough half-wits believing it that it becomes perceived as the truth and fact. You can't blame them, it's a strategy that has worked for them time and time again, and they keep having success with it, because too many people are just disconnected and don't pay attention. They hear stuff on the news, they hear stuff from liberal politicos, they read the NY Times and watch Keith Olbermann or Jon Stewart, and in a sense, become brainwashed. So far, the opposition just hasn't come up with a way to combat this strategy... what do you do when your opponent is content to lie their ass off repeatedly, and insist they are being honest?
You know Dix, you are absolutely right! I have been looking at the law from what is different, not from the perspective that the new law merely grants to local law enforcement that which the feds have granted themselves~~~good catch!
The irony of you making this comment is just too rich for freakin' words.
Why don't you read the Arizona law? It's 10 pages so it might take a month or so, but if you seek the help of an interpreter, maybe you can get back to us in possibly two weeks with more of your pearls of "dubious wisdom", k?
They've talked about this over and over again on all of the FoxNews shows.
They have been saying all along the only difference is Arizona wants the ability to do what the feds have not been willing to do all along and have had the ability to do.
Look at Holder for Chrissakes! He got caught with his drawers around his ankles! He, just like the rest of the Democratic leadership, admitted before the House Judiciary Committee hearing that he'd not yet read the Arizona law that mirrors Federal statutes in language...so far, no-one in this Administration has admitted to actually reading any of the bill that have been passed in this last year...of course, neither has Congress!
These are Obama appointees for cryin' out loud. These are the mental giants he has propping him up. Grab yourselves by the ankles now because we are getting majorily screwed by the "BIG BRAINS" in Washington!
dickless got upset that I acknowledged Dixie's perspective in a positive way~~~his Flat Stanley's been seeking a real man on the side and me thinks this has his panties more bunched up in his folds then usual???
christiefan915
Catalyst
Where I live many convenience stores have "No Loitering" signs in the windows. What's wrong with the managers of these places in AZ?
SmarterthanYou
rebel
Hey USF. I need the name and web address of a gun shop in your city that will let me order ammunition online. I WILL do my part to support AZ now.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
I"ll have to look into this; because this is something that I"ve never payed attention to.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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You want to know why there is such a stink about this? It's not because the AZ law is any different than Federal law, or that it allows any more authority to AZ law enforcement, or that it violates any Constitutional right.... It's really simple... the difference in the AZ law and the Federal law is, Arizona WILL enforce their law, the Feds won't! That's IT! That's the ONLY reason you are hearing all this hullabaloo over the AZ law!
christiefan915
Catalyst
Time will tell.
By now you may have heard about a controversial immigration law passed in Arizona that makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally.
The law grants police the power to stop and verify the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being illegal. The measure was criticized Friday by President Barack Obama, who asked the Justice Department to research the law.
It sounded to the Law Blog like we were heading toward a big federalism showdown. So we turned to Karl Manheim of Loyola Law School in Los Angeles and Erwin Chemerinsky of UC Irvine Law to pregame it for us. Their response: the law is DOA.
The Arizona law appears to be “facially unconstitutional,” Manheim said. “States have no power to pass immigration laws because it’s an attribute of foreign affairs. Just as states can’t have their own foreign policies or enter into treaties, they can’t have their own immigration laws either.”
States have long attempted to regulate immigration and in some instances the federal government successfully challenged state laws in court, including in the 1800s, Manheim said.
But federal governments often stay out of the fight. In 1994, for example, California voters passed a law designed to deny social services to undocumented aliens. The law was challenged by private litigants and struck down by a federal court.
Manheim said the Obama Administration, which is in the midst of trying to pass a federal immigration reform law, would likely rely on private litigants to challenge the controversial Arizona law. Challenging the law directly “might create a political conflict” for the administration, he said.
If private litigants sue Arizona over the new law, the Justice Department also could file a so-called friend-of-the-court brief in support of the challenge, he said.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/04/23/law-profs-on-arizona-immigration-bill-its-unconstitutional/
USFREEDOM911
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You go ahead and keep spreading lies:
"The law grants police the power to stop and verify the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being illegal."
Because it continues to show the duplicity of the left and the extremes they will go to, in order to promote their own agenda.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I fucking wonder how many of us right-wingers would get away with posting nothing but BLOGS as our sources of information? I think we should just start doing that... no matter what the issue, no matter if there is legitimate sources to back it up... just let's throw up some right-wing BLOG post and pretend we've refuted their stupidity from now on... let's see how long that flies with them!