AZ governor Brewer's popularity grows

Ice Dancer said:
The only difference 'tween the AZ law and the federal law is that a law enforcement officer who is already engaged in a legitimate contact with a person and said person cannot provide legal ID or visa that they can be arrested and held pending verification of citizenship. The federal law states that the person must have a felony warrant against them before a law enforcement officer can arrest them and check their legal status.
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Anyone who can't provide a legally accepted ID to a law enforcement offficer, who is engaged in a legitimate contact, runs the risk of being detained until verification can be made of who they are.
 
NigelTufnel said:
I'll go ahead and call bullshit on that one.
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AND.................................??

Kidnapping Capital of the U.S.A.
Washington Too Concerned With al Qaeda Terrorists to Care, Officials Say

89 comments By BRIAN ROSS, RICHARD ESPOSITO and ASA ESLOCKER
February 11, 2009

In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave, Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now.

"We're in the eye of the storm," Phoenix Police Chief Andy Anderson told ABC News of the violent crimes and ruthless tactics spurred by Mexico's drug cartels that have expanded business across the border. "If it doesn't stop here, if we're not able to fix it here and get it turned around, it will go across the nation," he said.

California Attorney General Jerry Brown warned that as the U.S. government focuses so intently on Islamic extremist groups, other types of terrorists – those involved with the same kidnappings, extortion and drug cartels that are sweeping Phoenix – are overlooked.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1


Now what, bitch?? :good4u:
 
Thorn said:
That's the thing. I just can't in any conscience pass any sort of judgment on that bill for that reason. I've been reading for years about the problems in AZ that so many illegals bring, particularly the crime. My impression was, when reading about the bill, that it was a "totally fed up!" measure, reflecting exasperation with the inability of the Feds to deal with the problem.

USFree lives in AZ.
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Illegals commit crime at a lower rate than your average American. Ejecting illegals would raise the crime rate. I'm not going to vote to racial profile just so that the antihumans can have the pleasure of having a higher crime rate.
 
Mr. Spite said:
Illegals commit crime at a lower rate than your average American. Ejecting illegals would raise the crime rate. I'm not going to vote to racial profile just so that the antihumans can have the pleasure of having a higher crime rate.
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let's see those stats....wm....you and i both know they don't exist
 
Thorn said:
You're welcome.

Today a local TV station put up a poll asking if responders in Texas would support a bill similar to Arizona's. The results were: Yes, 78%; No, 21%; Don't know, 1%.
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Radio said this morning, that 71% of AZ voters are behind SB-1070.
 
Apparently the illegal problem is so bad in AZ that illegals have actually snuck onto military installations and stolen jeeps and stuff. Granted, this is a security problem that shouldn't occur, regardless, but its still messed up...
 
Thorn said:
You're welcome.

Today a local TV station put up a poll asking if responders in Texas would support a bill similar to Arizona's. The results were: Yes, 78%; No, 21%; Don't know, 1%.
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1. It's not a scientific poll.

2. You're making an argument ad popularem.
 
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Mr. Spite said:
1. It's not a scientific poll.

2. You're making an argument ad popularem.

3. The opinion of fascists is irrelevant. The world would be a much better place if we had computed the 1932 German election results without the worthless input of the Nazis. There is no difference between those who support this law and the Ku Klux Klan and other white nationalist groups.
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1. No poll is scientific, and the findings are limited by the choices embodied in the survey.

2. All polls are a popular opinion, comprised of the answers given (restricted by the choices) by those who (a) visit the site, (b) read the poll in the first place, and (c) choose to respond.

3. Should it get to that, the courts will decide.
 
Thorn said:
1. No poll is scientific, and the findings are limited by the choices embodied in the survey.
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Urrr....

It wasn't an internet self-selected poll? The "scientific polls" of Arizonans themselves do not show such high support for the law. I do believe you know what I'm talking about when I refer to a "scientific poll". It's usually a good idea ot ignore any self-selected internet poll.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
AND.................................??

Kidnapping Capital of the U.S.A.
Washington Too Concerned With al Qaeda Terrorists to Care, Officials Say

89 comments By BRIAN ROSS, RICHARD ESPOSITO and ASA ESLOCKER
February 11, 2009

In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave, Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now.

"We're in the eye of the storm," Phoenix Police Chief Andy Anderson told ABC News of the violent crimes and ruthless tactics spurred by Mexico's drug cartels that have expanded business across the border. "If it doesn't stop here, if we're not able to fix it here and get it turned around, it will go across the nation," he said.

California Attorney General Jerry Brown warned that as the U.S. government focuses so intently on Islamic extremist groups, other types of terrorists – those involved with the same kidnappings, extortion and drug cartels that are sweeping Phoenix – are overlooked.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1


Now what, bitch?? :good4u:
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OK. So Phoenix may be the kidnapping capital of the US, but that does not mean it has the second highest kidnapping rate in the world. And I'd note that kidnapping reporting is sketchy at best without FBI stats applying uniform standards across the country.
 
NigelTufnel said:
OK. So Phoenix may be the kidnapping capital of the US, but that does not mean it has the second highest kidnapping rate in the world. And I'd note that kidnapping reporting is sketchy at best without FBI stats applying uniform standards across the country.
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This doesn't affect me one way or the other but are you saying this line from the article is inaccurate?

""Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone.""
 
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