AZ governor Brewer's popularity grows

[USFREEDOM911]

1. Will someone call Freedumb's mother or father and tell them that the local school system failed their little boy, because he keeps thinking that "sissie" is the same as "sissy". Either that, or Freedumb has an unhealthy obsession with calling his adult sister a childhood name or telling us all he's pissed his pants.

2. Once again, Freedom demonstrates what a dishonest coward he is in a debate. The link I provided documents a case where a woman had to produce her birth certificate to prove she was a native born citizen in order to get out of an INS holding cell. Her crime: being arrested for unpaid parking tickets and showing the cop that she had a valid driver's license, who demanded more proof.

3. Given the one example (and registered over 100 other similar abuses), the #4 item I sited in the law gives the beat cop the personal descretion in requesting more than just a driver's license...and a birth certificate falls into the category given. THOSE ARE THE FACTS, but Freedumb lives up to his nickname and pretends that literal translations of laws never happen.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=655514&postcount=88

Trying to teach you to sing, is obviously annoying you and is a waste of time.

In your presentation of those "100's", you apperantly have overlooked the MILLIONS that prove you wrong.

You are still a dumbass.

 

[Topspin]

Is Arizona going to actually have the balls to deport them or just posture for tea baggers?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Is Arizona going to actually have the balls to deport them or just posture for tea baggers?

DAMN; you sure have a fixation on balls, don't you!!

UH-You've got a hair stuck in your teeth.

 

[Damocles]

I didn't "exaggerate" anything...I merely pointed out that the obvious potential for abuse by the cop on the scene that this new law gives. To pretend that there is no room for the scenario I put forth is absurd given the history around this issue. Here's how I explained it to Freedumb that backs what I say

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=655514&postcount=88

Except that isn't what you stated, you said that people would have to carry their birth certificates, however that is preposterous in its face.

You exaggerated and rather than just say, "Yeah, I was exaggerating for effect." you go on and on trying to cover that turd with sand.

You've run out of sand.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=578124&postcount=74

 

[Taichiliberal]

Oh, I am not flat footed in the least here, but you seem to be. Your previous link doesn't 'prove' anything except that you are able to post links, which is very impressive for someone of your mental capacity, but has nothing to do with the Arizona law or what it does and doesn't allow.

Again, the Arizona state law is a mirror image of the Federal law. It grants the exact same authority to Arizona law enforcement, as Federal agents already have. It doesn't grant MORE authority or allow ANYTHING that the Federal law doesn't already allow for Federal agents. You can repeat your lies and distortions all you like, you can post as many links as you want to, and you can highlight insignificant parts of the law in red bold letters and claim it says things it doesn't say, but you are LYING OUT YOUR ASS! It's as simple as that! Now, maybe all the lying out your ass is part of the plan? Maybe you believe you can LIE this into being TRUTH? Hey, it worked for WMD's and Katrina... why not this? Right?

Notice folks, how this buffoon thinks by repeating his blatherings in various forms that somehow they magically become valid. Adding to his folly, he makes all types of amazing claims based on nothing but his personal supposition and conjecture, and treats them like fact. Satisfied with his delusion, he throws in totally non-related issues as a type of accusation that supposed to prove his previous blatherings.

Dixie NEVER provided anything other than his opinion, supposition and conjecture when I asked the following:

Really? And do you know what are the rules and regulations that ICE has to meet BEFORE they move on a suspect AND request various forms of identification? Please, enlighten us all as to how a beat cop in Arizona is doing EXACTLY the same, because the LAW ITSELF STATES THAT THE COPS ARE NOT TO USURP THE FEDS ON THIS. If you read the law thoroughly and you'd know this.

Now back to reality: http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=643510&postcount=53

And now add the following:

Senate bill 1070


For any lawful stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement
official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other politi-
cal subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordi-
nance of a county, city or town of this state where reasonable suspicion
exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the Unit-
ed States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to de-
termine the immigration status of the person. The person’s immigration
status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to Unit-
ed States Code Section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or agency
of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this
state may not consider race, color or national origin in implementing the
requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the
United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to not be
an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person pro-
vides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:


A person is presumed to not be
an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person pro-
vides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:
1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States
before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local govern-
ment issued identification.


And let's watch Dixie dance, sputter and fume....

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I didn't "exaggerate" anything...I merely pointed out that the obvious potential for abuse by the cop on the scene that this new law gives. To pretend that there is no room for the scenario I put forth is absurd given the history around this issue. Here's how I explained it to Freedumb that backs what I say

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...4&postcount=88

Except that isn't what you stated, you said that people would have to carry their birth certificates, however that is preposterous in its face.

You exaggerated and rather than just say, "Yeah, I was exaggerating for effect." you go on and on trying to cover that turd with sand.

You've run out of sand.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=578124&postcount=74

And you're just playing games to try and win some petty point. Note I never said the law said you were required to carry it....but it gives the cops the option to ask for it at their descretion. Bottom line: the birth certificate falls within the category given that the cops are now legislated by law in Arizona to have the option of requesting. Period. And as I demonstrated, this has ALREADY happened. So yeah, if you're brown and latin in Arizona, the cops and stop you and ask for ID, and if they don't think your ID is suffiecient, they can ask for MORE, like your birth certificate. Don't get pissed at me, blame the Arizona gov't.

Grow the fuck up, Damo...I'm embarassed for you

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
1. Will someone call Freedumb's mother or father and tell them that the local school system failed their little boy, because he keeps thinking that "sissie" is the same as "sissy". Either that, or Freedumb has an unhealthy obsession with calling his adult sister a childhood name or telling us all he's pissed his pants.

2. Once again, Freedom demonstrates what a dishonest coward he is in a debate. The link I provided documents a case where a woman had to produce her birth certificate to prove she was a native born citizen in order to get out of an INS holding cell. Her crime: being arrested for unpaid parking tickets and showing the cop that she had a valid driver's license, who demanded more proof.

3. Given the one example (and registered over 100 other similar abuses), the #4 item I sited in the law gives the beat cop the personal descretion in requesting more than just a driver's license...and a birth certificate falls into the category given. THOSE ARE THE FACTS, but Freedumb lives up to his nickname and pretends that literal translations of laws never happen.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...4&postcount=88

Trying to teach you to sing, is obviously annoying you and is a waste of time.

In your presentation of those "100's", you apperantly have overlooked the MILLIONS that prove you wrong.

You are still a dumbass.

And once again, when Freedom cannot logically or factually refute what I say specifically, Freedom just resorts to pure conjecture and wild speculation, as if it's solid fact and logic.

Pity poor Freedumb....too proud to admit he's wrong, too dumb to realize he when he is.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Notice folks, how this buffoon thinks by repeating his blatherings in various forms that somehow they magically become valid. Adding to his folly, he makes all types of amazing claims based on nothing but his personal supposition and conjecture, and treats them like fact. Satisfied with his delusion, he throws in totally non-related issues as a type of accusation that supposed to prove his previous blatherings.

Dixie NEVER provided anything other than his opinion, supposition and conjecture when I asked the following:

Really? And do you know what are the rules and regulations that ICE has to meet BEFORE they move on a suspect AND request various forms of identification? Please, enlighten us all as to how a beat cop in Arizona is doing EXACTLY the same, because the LAW ITSELF STATES THAT THE COPS ARE NOT TO USURP THE FEDS ON THIS. If you read the law thoroughly and you'd know this.

Now back to reality: http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=643510&postcount=53

And now add the following:

Senate bill 1070


For any lawful stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement
official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other politi-
cal subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordi-
nance of a county, city or town of this state where reasonable suspicion
exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the Unit-
ed States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to de-
termine the immigration status of the person. The person’s immigration
status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to Unit-
ed States Code Section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or agency
of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this
state may not consider race, color or national origin in implementing the
requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the
United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to not be
an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person pro-
vides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:


A person is presumed to not be
an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person pro-
vides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:
1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States
before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local govern-
ment issued identification.


And let's watch Dixie dance, sputter and fume....

Wow... I don't see a thing that says one word about having to carry your birth certificate or being unconstitutionally detained on the basis of how you look. Can you point those portions out to me, because it doesn't appear in the text I am reading. You keep posting it, but that just hasn't shown through yet, I suppose.

The Arizona law enforcement does not have ANY authority or extra powers that an ICE agent didn't already have under Federal law. In fact, the AZ authority actually has LESS authority. An ICE agent, is authorized by law, to detain persons they suspect of being in the country illegally, they need no further justification to initiate legal contact. An AZ law enforcement officer MUST have already made a legal contact, and that legal contact MUST have been the result of another violation of law, and they are strictly forbidden from detaining on the basis of suspected illegal immigration alone.

What you (and others) keep doing, is jumping way ahead in the legislation... past the part where the officer is already in legal contact as the result of another violation of law, and even past the part where the suspect has no other form of identification or proof of identity to show the officer, THEN you are interpreting the law as if it begins there, at that point. It is a wholly dishonest evaluation, based on falsity and distortion of truth.

 

[Damocles]

And you're just playing games to try and win some petty point. Note I never said the law said you were required to carry it....but it gives the cops the option to ask for it at their descretion. Bottom line: the birth certificate falls within the category given that the cops are now legislated by law in Arizona to have the option of requesting. Period. And as I demonstrated, this has ALREADY happened. So yeah, if you're brown and latin in Arizona, the cops and stop you and ask for ID, and if they don't think your ID is suffiecient, they can ask for MORE, like your birth certificate. Don't get pissed at me, blame the Arizona gov't.

Grow the fuck up, Damo...I'm embarassed for you

Says the guy playing the game. Say one thing, pretend you didn't say it, cover it up, post a link...



You are embarrassed, but it isn't for me, it is because you cannot just stand up and admit when you are wrong. You had a perfectly valid way to man up and admit to your exaggeration, but instead have spent an entire thread attempting to distract from what you said.

Well, the distraction didn't work. Somebody took the lid off your cat box and found that turd, and it still is too large to cover...

We could have had a conversation about something important here, instead we've had a conversation about your embarrassing lack to simply admit you are wrong.

Now either put up or shut up. Where is the portion of the law that requires anybody to carry a birth certificate? And it doesn't even give the cops discretion to ask for it. If you can present a fricking drivers license then they are done, if you can present a valid State ID that isn't a driver's license then they are done, if you can present Tribal identification, they are done...

None of those things allow discretion for them to start asking for birth certificates, you made crap up, got caught and embarrass yourself by trying to cover it.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Says the guy playing the game. Say one thing, pretend you didn't say it, cover it up, post a link...



You are embarrassed, but it isn't for me, it is because you cannot just stand up and admit when you are wrong. You had a perfectly valid way to man up and admit to your exaggeration, but instead have spent an entire thread attempting to distract from what you said.

Well, the distraction didn't work. Somebody took the lid off your cat box and found that turd, and it still is too large to cover...

We could have had a conversation about something important here, instead we've had a conversation about your embarrassing lack to simply admit you are wrong.

Now either put up or shut up. Where is the portion of the law that requires anybody to carry a birth certificate? And it doesn't even give the cops discretion to ask for it. If you can present a fricking drivers license then they are done, if you can present a valid State ID that isn't a driver's license then they are done, if you can present Tribal identification, they are done...

None of those things allow discretion for them to start asking for birth certificates, you made crap up, got caught and embarrass yourself by trying to cover it.

He also must have stopped reading, when he got to the part that he thought said what he wanted it to; because he also seems to have missed the part that talked about how someone who things they have been wronged by the Offciers action, can seek damages.

 

[Liberty]

Anyone who doesn't like the AZ law must not like the federal law. Everything I read in the AZ law says that they are just inforcing the federal law.

Also, people on welfare are the most threatened by the illegals. There is only so much welfare money to go around. The more people on welfare means the less money available.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Notice folks, how this buffoon thinks by repeating his blatherings in various forms that somehow they magically become valid. Adding to his folly, he makes all types of amazing claims based on nothing but his personal supposition and conjecture, and treats them like fact. Satisfied with his delusion, he throws in totally non-related issues as a type of accusation that supposed to prove his previous blatherings.

Dixie NEVER provided anything other than his opinion, supposition and conjecture when I asked the following:

Really? And do you know what are the rules and regulations that ICE has to meet BEFORE they move on a suspect AND request various forms of identification? Please, enlighten us all as to how a beat cop in Arizona is doing EXACTLY the same, because the LAW ITSELF STATES THAT THE COPS ARE NOT TO USURP THE FEDS ON THIS. If you read the law thoroughly and you'd know this.

Now back to reality: http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...0&postcount=53

And now add the following:

Senate bill 1070


For any lawful stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement
official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other politi-
cal subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordi-
nance of a county, city or town of this state where reasonable suspicion
exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the Unit-
ed States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to de-
termine the immigration status of the person. The person’s immigration
status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to Unit-
ed States Code Section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or agency
of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this
state may not consider race, color or national origin in implementing the
requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the
United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to not be
an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person pro-
vides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:


A person is presumed to not be
an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person pro-
vides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:
1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States
before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local govern-
ment issued identification.


And let's watch Dixie dance, sputter and fume....

Wow... I don't see a thing that says one word about having to carry your birth certificate or being unconstitutionally detained on the basis of how you look. Can you point those portions out to me, because it doesn't appear in the text I am reading. You keep posting it, but that just hasn't shown through yet, I suppose.

Wow....you're such a hypocrit and BS artist...because your attitude was EXACTLY the opposite during the Obamacare debate...YOU and your cronies were all about THE POSSIBILITIES AND IMPLICATIONS, NOT what was actually being stated. But when it comes to placating your bigotry, you're suddenly the opposite.

I gave link to DOCUMENTED examples of what I'm referring to that occured BEFORE the Arizona law....but YOU close your mind to what you don't like, so you don't see...hence is why I call you willfully ignorant.

The law gives a NEW option to the cops they didn't have before....and leaves it up to their descretion for "probable/reasonable cause" for questioning citizenship. A matter of fact that you can't BS around.

The Arizona law enforcement does not have ANY authority or extra powers that an ICE agent didn't already have under Federal law. In fact, the AZ authority actually has LESS authority. An ICE agent, is authorized by law, to detain persons they suspect of being in the country illegally, they need no further justification to initiate legal contact. An AZ law enforcement officer MUST have already made a legal contact, and that legal contact MUST have been the result of another violation of law, and they are strictly forbidden from detaining on the basis of suspected illegal immigration alone.

And when you can quote passages from the law that state EXACTLY what you are fabricating here, then you may have a case. Until then, you're just full of it....the Arizona law states that the cops CANNOT step on Fed toes...YET, with the example I gave, the cops ARE GIVEN THE DISCRETION TO PERSONALLY DETERMINE WHETHER A PERSON IS A CITIZEN...AND THEY CAN DETAIN A PERSON IF THAT PERSON DOES NOT PROVIDE ONE OR MORE OF THE REQUIRED ID FORMS THAT THE COP IS NOW ALLOWED TO ASK FOR....AND YES, THAT INCLUDES A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. THE SUSPICION OF A CRIME OR VIOLATION IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED...NO ACTUAL CRIME IS NEEDED FOR DETAINMENT IF THE SUSPECT DOES NOT SUPPLY IDENTIFICATION TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE COP. Try as you might, you cannot BS around those facts.

What you (and others) keep doing, is jumping way ahead in the legislation... a LIE ON YOUR PART...what I and others are doing is proper analysis of the implications of this law IN LIGHT OF PAST DOCUMENTED ACTIONS ON THIS SUBJECT past the part where the officer is already in legal contact as the result of another violation of law, And pray tell us, what constitutes "legal contact"? Because a cop in Arizona sees a couple of latino's standing on a corner and he "suspects" their illegals, that constitutes legal course....and with the new law, he has more ammunition to determine citizenship beyond proof of identification. Back to square one...the cop detains people just on suspicion, thus doing a little INS job. and even past the part where the suspect has no other form of identification or proof of identity to show the officer, THEN you are interpreting the law as if it begins there, at that point. It is a wholly dishonest evaluation, based on falsity and distortion of truth.

What's "wholly dishonest" is your revisionist tale on what I previously stated. I provided PROOF where people WITH PROPER ID were detained in INS holding cells because they didn't have their birth certificates IN ADDITION.

Damn, Dixie...people can click back, following the links and READ THE PROOF of what a liar you are. Grow up Dixie.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Anyone who doesn't like the AZ law must not like the federal law. Everything I read in the AZ law says that they are just inforcing the federal law.

Also, people on welfare are the most threatened by the illegals. There is only so much welfare money to go around. The more people on welfare means the less money available.

1. And when Arizona starts piling up the lawsuits by LEGAL AND/OR BORN CITIZENS who were stop and later detained DESPITE HAVING ONE form of proper ID, or for being detained because they were walking to the local hardware store or supermarket and didn't take their ID with them, get back to me. (hint: it's already happened in this country BEFORE this law came into play).

2. THERE IS NO FEDERAL LAW THAT REQUIRES YOU TO CARRY ID WHILE HANGING ON THE CORNER TALKING TO FRIENDS OR WALKING TO THE LOCAL STORE/NEWSSTAND. UNLESS A COP SUSPECTS YOU OF A CRIME, HE DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO STOP AND ASK TO SEE YOUR PAPERS. And if there is reasonable suspicion, the cop better jolly well be able to prove it.

3. Your "welfare recipients being threatened" tale is a new one...because the major protest has been that illegals are taking away jobs and abusing the medical emergency centers.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And you're just playing games to try and win some petty point. Note I never said the law said you were required to carry it....but it gives the cops the option to ask for it at their descretion. Bottom line: the birth certificate falls within the category given that the cops are now legislated by law in Arizona to have the option of requesting. Period. And as I demonstrated, this has ALREADY happened. So yeah, if you're brown and latin in Arizona, the cops and stop you and ask for ID, and if they don't think your ID is suffiecient, they can ask for MORE, like your birth certificate. Don't get pissed at me, blame the Arizona gov't.

Grow the fuck up, Damo...I'm embarassed for you

Says the guy playing the game. Say one thing, pretend you didn't say it, cover it up, post a link...



You are embarrassed, but it isn't for me, it is because you cannot just stand up and admit when you are wrong. You had a perfectly valid way to man up and admit to your exaggeration, but instead have spent an entire thread attempting to distract from what you said.

Well, the distraction didn't work. Somebody took the lid off your cat box and found that turd, and it still is too large to cover...

We could have had a conversation about something important here, instead we've had a conversation about your embarrassing lack to simply admit you are wrong.

Now either put up or shut up. Where is the portion of the law that requires anybody to carry a birth certificate? And it doesn't even give the cops discretion to ask for it. If you can present a fricking drivers license then they are done, if you can present a valid State ID that isn't a driver's license then they are done, if you can present Tribal identification, they are done...

None of those things allow discretion for them to start asking for birth certificates, you made crap up, got caught and embarrass yourself by trying to cover it.

Why don't you just copy and paste or link to the post where I stated EXACTLY what you accuse me of in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS. If you can't, then you're just full of it like the rest of them. Wake up, you dolt.....I can't pretend I didn't say something if it exists in print. That's how I catch your compadres in their lies and distortions all the time.

The chronology of the posts (ahh, the phrase that neocon parrots, bigots and the insipidly stubborn love to hate) details EXACTLY what I say.....a link that documents abuse of the law requiring a birth certificate DESPITE proper ID being presented......a new law that gives the cop on the beat the ability to ask for OTHER forms of ID despite driver's and non-driver's ID....referring to federal forms of ID. GO BACK AND READ, GENIUS...THAT LAW DOES NOT STATE "ONE OF THE FOLLOWING"

Last time I checked, a birth certificate falls into that latter category.

Now it's really interesting that you palookas suddenly want to play the "literal translation" game....when just in the last year you were screaming "might be, could be, can be" about Obama's health care plan.

You're a bunch of hypocrits who childishly think you can ignore something in print and super-impose your biased and bogus "yes or no" criteria. But this is print media, and the record shows your just blowing smoke.

Grow the fuck up, Damo....start living up to that persona of intellectual honesty you are consistently inferring.

 

[Taichiliberal]

He also must have stopped reading, when he got to the part that he thought said what he wanted it to; because he also seems to have missed the part that talked about how someone who things they have been wronged by the Offciers action, can seek damages.

Oh gee, that makes it all the better, right Freedumb?

So if some cop stops your dopey ass for the flimisiest of excuses, and then tells you he needs to see something else IN ADDITION to the ID you have on you to prove, and you get detained in the local lock up because you don't have it and can't prove you're a US citizen to the cops satisfaction, come and tell us all that it's no big deal and you're satisfied that you can file suit (if you can afford a lawyer, and wait a year or two for the settlement).

But hey, you're not Latino...so don't sweat it....just keep toddling along in your little world.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

What's "wholly dishonest" is your revisionist tale on what I previously stated. I provided PROOF where people WITH PROPER ID were detained in INS holding cells because they didn't have their birth certificates IN ADDITION.

Damn, Dixie...people can click back, following the links and READ THE PROOF of what a liar you are. Grow up Dixie.

"...Because a cop in Arizona sees a couple of latino's standing on a corner and he "suspects" their illegals, that constitutes legal course..."

No he can't and no it isn't.

I hope that acorn hitting you in the head, didn't cause to big of a bruise.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Oh gee, that makes it all the better, right Freedumb?

So if some cop stops your dopey ass for the flimisiest of excuses, and then tells you he needs to see something else IN ADDITION to the ID you have on you to prove, and you get detained in the local lock up because you don't have it and can't prove you're a US citizen to the cops satisfaction, come and tell us all that it's no big deal and you're satisfied that you can file suit (if you can afford a lawyer, and wait a year or two for the settlement).

But hey, you're not Latino...so don't sweat it....just keep toddling along in your little world.

You are so full of shit, that it's a wonder you don't just decompose.

You are in error and if you are unable to understand that, I'll make it easier for you; you're a dumbass!!

All of your reasons have been debunked and proven to be just whining, on your part.
If you're so sure that there are going to be so many lawsuts, then why don't you come on down to AZ, do something stupid, show your ID, and then sue when they don't accept it.

 

[Taichiliberal]

"...Because a cop in Arizona sees a couple of latino's standing on a corner and he "suspects" their illegals, that constitutes legal course..."

No he can't and no it isn't.

I hope that acorn hitting you in the head, didn't cause to big of a bruise.

Oh wow folks, this imbecile just ignored the various documented incidents I documented or wtf is going on in his own state, and just says "no it's not!"

That's it folks, Freedumb just says it isn't so, and all the factual evidence to the contrary just evaporates.

Somone take the beer out of Freedumb's hand and explain to him WTF is going on in the real world.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=656327&postcount=112

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
What's "wholly dishonest" is your revisionist tale on what I previously stated. I provided PROOF where people WITH PROPER ID were detained in INS holding cells because they didn't have their birth certificates IN ADDITION.

Damn, Dixie...people can click back, following the links and READ THE PROOF of what a liar you are. Grow up Dixie.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Oh gee, that makes it all the better, right Freedumb?

So if some cop stops your dopey ass for the flimisiest of excuses, and then tells you he needs to see something else IN ADDITION to the ID you have on you to prove, and you get detained in the local lock up because you don't have it and can't prove you're a US citizen to the cops satisfaction, come and tell us all that it's no big deal and you're satisfied that you can file suit (if you can afford a lawyer, and wait a year or two for the settlement).

But hey, you're not Latino...so don't sweat it....just keep toddling along in your little world.

You are so full of shit, that it's a wonder you don't just decompose.

You are in error and if you are unable to understand that, I'll make it easier for you; you're a dumbass!!

All of your reasons have been debunked and proven to be just whining, on your part.
If you're so sure that there are going to be so many lawsuts, then why don't you come on down to AZ, do something stupid, show your ID, and then sue when they don't accept it.

Tranlsation: this moron just blows a lot of smoke and pretends that the documented cases I linked that back up my surmise of the situation just doesn't exist.

But the wooden stake to the vampiric like bullshit that Freedumb and his ilk love to spew is in the chronology of the posts for all to see. So let's just watch Freedumb pretend that these things never happened and that they could never happen again under a new law specifically designed to "further address" the issue despite state and federal laws that already do so.

I almost pity Freedumb...almost.

 

[Liberty]

1. And when Arizona starts piling up the lawsuits by LEGAL AND/OR BORN CITIZENS who were stop and later detained DESPITE HAVING ONE form of proper ID, or for being detained because they were walking to the local hardware store or supermarket and didn't take their ID with them, get back to me. (hint: it's already happened in this country BEFORE this law came into play).

2. THERE IS NO FEDERAL LAW THAT REQUIRES YOU TO CARRY ID WHILE HANGING ON THE CORNER TALKING TO FRIENDS OR WALKING TO THE LOCAL STORE/NEWSSTAND. UNLESS A COP SUSPECTS YOU OF A CRIME, HE DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO STOP AND ASK TO SEE YOUR PAPERS. And if there is reasonable suspicion, the cop better jolly well be able to prove it.

3. Your "welfare recipients being threatened" tale is a new one...because the major protest has been that illegals are taking away jobs and abusing the medical emergency centers.

I personally believe that people, businesses, and states should be filing lawsuits on a dailey bases over the way the government ignores their own laws. Especially over this issue. Just flood the system. I lost the right to my property in 1913, and now the whole world has a right to my property through the federal government who are suppose to be pretacting my right to my property.

I would like to agree with you about your comments on having my papers with me, except I have to carry papers all the time. (DL) Suspecting someone of a crime, and catching someone comitting a crime are 2 different things. People should sue if they're just minding their own business.

If we did away with federal welfare, we wouldn't have these problems. Federal welfare is a cancer to suciety.