AZ governor Brewer's popularity grows

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Once again, you have earned the nickname "Freedumb"

From
Senate bill 1070


For any lawful stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement
official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other politi-
cal subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordi-
nance of a county, city or town of this state where reasonable suspicion
exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the Unit-
ed States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to de-
termine the immigration status of the person. The person’s immigration
status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to Unit-
ed States Code Section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or agency
of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this
state may not consider race, color or national origin in implementing the
requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the
United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to not be
an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person pro-
vides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:


A person is presumed to not be
an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person pro-
vides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:
1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States
before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local govern-
ment issued identification.

You're still an idiot sissie; (this fool STILL cannot properly spell a simple school yard insult, folks...and he has the gall to call other's "idiots"...small wonder we call him "Freedumb") becauase nowhere does anything support your assertion that people have to carry their Birth Certificates.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Birth Certificates aren't even MENTIONED; you dillhole.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

While my obviously ignorant opponent laughs himself into a stupor to avoid any REAL discussion other than his gain saying "no it isn't", please note #4 the highlighted portion of the part of the bill I've quoted. This gives the beat cop the OPTION of using a birth certificate as a determiner of citizenship....as a birth certificate is a valid state & federal form of identification. It seems that Freedumb has to have EVERYTHING spelled out to him, and is incapable of applying critical thinking/analysis to what he reads. Small wonder he and his fellow Arizonians whole heartedly supported the first and then final version of this bill....they just are not that bright.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

While my obviously ignorant opponent laughs himself into a stupor to avoid any REAL discussion other than his gain saying "no it isn't", please note #4 the highlighted portion of the part of the bill I've quoted. This gives the beat cop the OPTION of using a birth certificate as a determiner of citizenship....as a birth certificate is a valid state & federal form of identification. It seems that Freedumb has to have EVERYTHING spelled out to him, and is incapable of applying critical thinking/analysis to what he reads. Small wonder he and his fellow Arizonians whole heartedly supported the first and then final version of this bill....they just are not that bright.

No-no-no-no; you don't get to spin out of this one.

You asserted that people were going to have to start carrying around their Birth Certificates and I've challanged you to show where it state this.

All anyone has to do, is read the posts chronologically and they will see that you've been unable to intelligently or factually provide the proof of what you've said.

C'mon sissie, it's time for you to put up or shut up; but I doubt whether you are capable of doing either.

 

[Damocles]

TCL, there is nothing in the law that says anything about carrying birth certificates, you exaggerated then tried to cover it in a wall of text. It isn't covered, that turd was too big.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

TCL, there is nothing in the law that says anything about carrying birth certificates, you exaggerated then tried to cover it in a wall of text. It isn't covered, that turd was too big.

Thank you Damo.
Did you like the way I was able to work the words "chronological", "factual", and "intelligently" all in one sentence??

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
While my obviously ignorant opponent laughs himself into a stupor to avoid any REAL discussion other than his gain saying "no it isn't", please note #4 the highlighted portion of the part of the bill I've quoted. This gives the beat cop the OPTION of using a birth certificate as a determiner of citizenship....as a birth certificate is a valid state & federal form of identification. It seems that Freedumb has to have EVERYTHING spelled out to him, and is incapable of applying critical thinking/analysis to what he reads. Small wonder he and his fellow Arizonians whole heartedly supported the first and then final version of this bill....they just are not that bright.

No-no-no-no; you don't get to spin out of this one.

You asserted that people were going to have to start carrying around their Birth Certificates and I've challanged you to show where it state this.

All anyone has to do, is read the posts chronologically and they will see that you've been unable to intelligently or factually provide the proof of what you've said.

C'mon sissie, (ahh, our proudly ignorant Freedumb...you point out he misspells a word years , and he "defiantly" keeps using it. Poor fool doesn't realize how dumb it makes him look.) it's time for you to put up or shut up; but I doubt whether you are capable of doing either.

Let me dumb is down for you: The new law you knuckle draggers are all whooped up about gives the cop the descretion to determine/choose what individual or combination of documents prove citizenship of an individual. A birth certificate falls into the category listed in the law. There are documented cases were American citizens have been detained to determine citizenship DESPITE having their valid driver's license. If you like I can repost it so you can ignore it again.


Now you can play games all you want to ignore the logical conclusions and various negative implications of this law....but suddenly you're so accepting of a gov't promise to play nice and not abuse the situation

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Let me dumb is down for you: The new law you knuckle draggers are all whooped up about gives the cop the descretion to determine/choose what individual or combination of documents prove citizenship of an individual. A birth certificate falls into the category listed in the law. There are documented cases were American citizens have been detained to determine citizenship DESPITE having their valid driver's license. If you like I can repost it so you can ignore it again.

Now you can play games all you want to ignore the logical conclusions and various negative implications of this law....but suddenly you're so accepting of a gov't promise to play nice and not abuse the situation

The Arizona law does not give Arizona law enforcement ANY additional leverage or authority over Federal law. The Arizona law enforcement officer can NOT do a thing that Federal law enforcement officers can't already do under the Federal law. The documentation which confirms citizenship is the same for the state of Arizona as it is for the Federal Immigration officials, there is no difference in what the two recognize.

You can ignore these facts and keep pretending the Arizona law does something or says something that it doesn't, or that it authorizes things it doesn't, or that it allows things the Federal law doesn't, but you are LYING YOUR ASSES OFF! Anyone who bothers to READ the law, knows you are LYING YOUR ASSES OFF! So, I say.... just keep LYING YOUR ASSES OFF! The voters will decide in November, if they want a bunch of dishonest political hacks in power, and I think I know what choice they'll make.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Let me dumb is down for you: The new law you knuckle draggers are all whooped up about gives the cop the descretion to determine/choose what individual or combination of documents prove citizenship of an individual. A birth certificate falls into the category listed in the law. There are documented cases were American citizens have been detained to determine citizenship DESPITE having their valid driver's license. If you like I can repost it so you can ignore it again.


Now you can play games all you want to ignore the logical conclusions and various negative implications of this law....but suddenly you're so accepting of a gov't promise to play nice and not abuse the situation

You would have to dumb it down, seeing as how you don't have the ability to make it intelligent.

Anyway:
What do you think the underlined part(s) here are defining??
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States
before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local govern-
ment issued identification.

What do you think was issued and who the entity was??

Even Damo has tried to tell you, that you haven't been able to cover that turd you're trying to promote.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Let me dumb is down for you: The new law you knuckle draggers are all whooped up about gives the cop the descretion to determine/choose what individual or combination of documents prove citizenship of an individual. A birth certificate falls into the category listed in the law. There are documented cases were American citizens have been detained to determine citizenship DESPITE having their valid driver's license. If you like I can repost it so you can ignore it again.


Now you can play games all you want to ignore the logical conclusions and various negative implications of this law....but suddenly you're so accepting of a gov't promise to play nice and not abuse the situation

You would have to dumb it down, seeing as how you don't have the ability to make it intelligent.

Idiot, I'm dumbing it down for you...pay attention.

Anyway:
What do you think the underlined part(s) here are defining??
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States
before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local govern-
ment issued identification.

What do you think was issued and who the entity was??

Even Damo has tried to tell you, that you haven't been able to cover that turd you're trying to promote.

Who makes that determination for the entity to be "required" to show what's outlined in #4, you braying jackass? The cop on the scene...it's up to his discretion, and as I demonstrated to you before, there are documented cases where a legitimate drivers ID just won't cut it

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=643510&postcount=53

 

[Taichiliberal]

TCL, there is nothing in the law that says anything about carrying birth certificates, you exaggerated then tried to cover it in a wall of text. It isn't covered, that turd was too big.

I didn't "exaggerate" anything...I merely pointed out that the obvious potential for abuse by the cop on the scene that this new law gives. To pretend that there is no room for the scenario I put forth is absurd given the history around this issue. Here's how I explained it to Freedumb that backs what I say

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=655514&postcount=88

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Who makes that determination for the entity to be "required" to show what's outlined in #4, you braying jackass? The cop on the scene...it's up to his discretion, and as I demonstrated to you before, there are documented cases where a legitimate drivers ID just won't cut it

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=643510&postcount=53

You are entitled to your own opinion, sissie; but you aren't entiteled to your own facts.
And the FACTS are, is that you are not required to carry your Birth Certificate with you.

You have finally provided enough evidence to show everyone that you are truly a dumbass.

Good job, sissie.

 

[Taichiliberal]

The Arizona law does not give Arizona law enforcement ANY additional leverage or authority over Federal law. The Arizona law enforcement officer can NOT do a thing that Federal law enforcement officers can't already do under the Federal law. The documentation which confirms citizenship is the same for the state of Arizona as it is for the Federal Immigration officials, there is no difference in what the two recognize.

You can ignore these facts and keep pretending the Arizona law does something or says something that it doesn't, or that it authorizes things it doesn't, or that it allows things the Federal law doesn't, but you are LYING YOUR ASSES OFF! Anyone who bothers to READ the law, knows you are LYING YOUR ASSES OFF! So, I say.... just keep LYING YOUR ASSES OFF! The voters will decide in November, if they want a bunch of dishonest political hacks in power, and I think I know what choice they'll make.

If the Fed does all you say, then wtf was the point of this new law anyway?

Grow up and deal with reality.....this law gives the cop on the beat the tools to go beyond a drivers license or non-drivers ID to determine citizenship...and if you don't have what he asks for, you jolly well can be taken to a precinct. IT'S UP TO THE COP TO DETERMINE IF ONE OR MORE SOURCES OF ID ARE NEEDED TO PROVE CITIZENSHIP....AND THAT LEADS TO POTENTIAL ABUSE. Here's I explained it to your compadre....go to the link provided for proof.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=655514&postcount=88

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

If the Fed does all you say, then wtf was the point of this new law anyway?

Grow up and deal with reality.....this law gives the cop on the beat the tools to go beyond a drivers license or non-drivers ID to determine citizenship...and if you don't have what he asks for, you jolly well can be taken to a precinct. IT'S UP TO THE COP TO DETERMINE IF ONE OR MORE SOURCES OF ID ARE NEEDED TO PROVE CITIZENSHIP....AND THAT LEADS TO POTENTIAL ABUSE. Here's I explained it to your compadre....go to the link provided for proof.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=655514&postcount=88

If the Fed does all you say, then wtf was the point of this new law anyway?
The Fed ain't doing what the law says they can. That's pretty simple, isn't it?

You grow up and deal with the truth! This law gives the law enforcement officers the SAME EXACT "tools" as Federal officers have, no more, no less!

ANY authorization to law enforcement has the potential for "abuse" .... ANY GODDAMN THING WE AUTHORIZE THEM TO DO! The cop can pull his cop-issued firearm out and blow your fucking brains out, without ANY provocation or reason to do so! There is no guarantee that he won't do that! ANY THING is subject to "abuse" in ANY law enforcement in ANY state! We do not establish laws of ANY kind, on the basis or pretext that the law enforcement officer MIGHT abuse his authority! That is the most ridiculous and absurdly ignorant argument I have ever heard!

 

[NOVA]

You are entitled to your own opinion, sissie; but you aren't entiteled to your own facts.
And the FACTS are, is that you are not required to carry your Birth Certificate with you.

You have finally provided enough evidence to show everyone that you are truly a dumbass.

Good job, sissie.

Its getting laughable USF....
proof of legal presence in the United States

The pinhead seems to not be able to differentiate between the the terms "citizenship" and "legal presence", obviously thinks they mean the same thing....

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
If the Fed does all you say, then wtf was the point of this new law anyway?

Grow up and deal with reality.....this law gives the cop on the beat the tools to go beyond a drivers license or non-drivers ID to determine citizenship...and if you don't have what he asks for, you jolly well can be taken to a precinct. IT'S UP TO THE COP TO DETERMINE IF ONE OR MORE SOURCES OF ID ARE NEEDED TO PROVE CITIZENSHIP....AND THAT LEADS TO POTENTIAL ABUSE. Here's I explained it to your compadre....go to the link provided for proof.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...4&postcount=88

If the Fed does all you say, then wtf was the point of this new law anyway?
The Fed ain't doing what the law says they can. That's pretty simple, isn't it?

You grow up and deal with the truth! This law gives the law enforcement officers the SAME EXACT "tools" as Federal officers have, no more, no less!

Really? And do you know what are the rules and regulations that ICE has to meet BEFORE they move on a suspect AND request various forms of identification? Please, enlighten us all as to how a beat cop in Arizona is doing EXACTLY the same, because the LAW ITSELF STATES THAT THE COPS ARE NOT TO USURP THE FEDS ON THIS. If you read the law thoroughly and you'd know this.

ANY authorization to law enforcement has the potential for "abuse" .... ANY GODDAMN THING WE AUTHORIZE THEM TO DO! The cop can pull his cop-issued firearm out and blow your fucking brains out, without ANY provocation or reason to do so! There is no guarantee that he won't do that! ANY THING is subject to "abuse" in ANY law enforcement in ANY state! We do not establish laws of ANY kind, on the basis or pretext that the law enforcement officer MIGHT abuse his authority! That is the most ridiculous and absurdly ignorant argument I have ever heard!

I just love it when you idiots blow a gasket when caught flat footed wrong. As the previous link I provided shows, the abuse of laws regarding determining citizenship of Americans of latin descent is documented....people wrongfully detained in INS holding cells DESPITE having valid driver's or non-driver's ID.

Pay attention, you ignorant lout, YOU DON'T CRAFT LAWS THAT LEAVE LOOPHOLES FOR ABUSE OR GIVE FURTHER AMMUNITITON TO A SITUATION THAT HAS ALREADY DEMONSTRATED ABUSE BY THE LAW ENFORCERS. That's the problem with the latest Arizona law. Now, you can ignore my examples and pretend that the wording is all bereft of such potential..but despite all your bluff and bluster, YOU CAN'T LOGICALLY DISMISS WHAT I STATE.

So continue to dance, you clown...dance.

 

[Taichiliberal]

You are entitled to your own opinion, sissie; but you aren't entiteled to your own facts.
And the FACTS are, is that you are not required to carry your Birth Certificate with you.

You have finally provided enough evidence to show everyone that you are truly a dumbass.

Good job, sissie.

1. Will someone call Freedumb's mother or father and tell them that the local school system failed their little boy, because he keeps thinking that "sissie" is the same as "sissy". Either that, or Freedumb has an unhealthy obsession with calling his adult sister a childhood name or telling us all he's pissed his pants.

2. Once again, Freedom demonstrates what a dishonest coward he is in a debate. The link I provided documents a case where a woman had to produce her birth certificate to prove she was a native born citizen in order to get out of an INS holding cell. Her crime: being arrested for unpaid parking tickets and showing the cop that she had a valid driver's license, who demanded more proof.

3. Given the one example (and registered over 100 other similar abuses), the #4 item I sited in the law gives the beat cop the personal descretion in requesting more than just a driver's license...and a birth certificate falls into the category given. THOSE ARE THE FACTS, but Freedumb lives up to his nickname and pretends that literal translations of laws never happen.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=655514&postcount=88

 

[Taichiliberal]

Its getting laughable USF....
proof of legal presence in the United States

The pinhead seems to not be able to differentiate between the the terms "citizenship" and "legal presence", obviously thinks they mean the same thing....

Clearly, Bravo is incapable of comprehending what he reads, and prefer to treat his own version of reality. Here's something else for Bravo to BS about.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=655560&postcount=95

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I just love it when you idiots blow a gasket when caught flat footed wrong. As the previous link I provided shows, the abuse of laws regarding determining citizenship of Americans of latin descent is documented....people wrongfully detained in INS holding cells DESPITE having valid driver's or non-driver's ID.

Pay attention, you ignorant lout, YOU DON'T CRAFT LAWS THAT LEAVE LOOPHOLES FOR ABUSE OR GIVE FURTHER AMMUNITITON TO A SITUATION THAT HAS ALREADY DEMONSTRATED ABUSE BY THE LAW ENFORCERS. That's the problem with the latest Arizona law. Now, you can ignore my examples and pretend that the wording is all bereft of such potential..but despite all your bluff and bluster, YOU CAN'T LOGICALLY DISMISS WHAT I STATE.

So continue to dance, you clown...dance.

Oh, I am not flat footed in the least here, but you seem to be. Your previous link doesn't 'prove' anything except that you are able to post links, which is very impressive for someone of your mental capacity, but has nothing to do with the Arizona law or what it does and doesn't allow.

Again, the Arizona state law is a mirror image of the Federal law. It grants the exact same authority to Arizona law enforcement, as Federal agents already have. It doesn't grant MORE authority or allow ANYTHING that the Federal law doesn't already allow for Federal agents. You can repeat your lies and distortions all you like, you can post as many links as you want to, and you can highlight insignificant parts of the law in red bold letters and claim it says things it doesn't say, but you are LYING OUT YOUR ASS! It's as simple as that! Now, maybe all the lying out your ass is part of the plan? Maybe you believe you can LIE this into being TRUTH? Hey, it worked for WMD's and Katrina... why not this? Right?

 

[Minister of Truth]

If the Fed is doing its job, how come there are so many illegals here???

 

[USFREEDOM911]

If the Fed does all you say, then wtf was the point of this new law anyway?
The Fed ain't doing what the law says they can. That's pretty simple, isn't it?

You grow up and deal with the truth! This law gives the law enforcement officers the SAME EXACT "tools" as Federal officers have, no more, no less!

ANY authorization to law enforcement has the potential for "abuse" .... ANY GODDAMN THING WE AUTHORIZE THEM TO DO! The cop can pull his cop-issued firearm out and blow your fucking brains out, without ANY provocation or reason to do so! There is no guarantee that he won't do that! ANY THING is subject to "abuse" in ANY law enforcement in ANY state! We do not establish laws of ANY kind, on the basis or pretext that the law enforcement officer MIGHT abuse his authority! That is the most ridiculous and absurdly ignorant argument I have ever heard!

Will you stop slapping my bitch; because otherwise sissies going to start following you around, begging for attention.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Its getting laughable USF....
proof of legal presence in the United States

The pinhead seems to not be able to differentiate between the the terms "citizenship" and "legal presence", obviously thinks they mean the same thing....

If nothing else, sissie is amusing.