Anyone still against the death penalty?
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its ok onceler....with therapy life can become less confusing for you
i'm sorry that posting facts about your whines bothers you to the point you had to make the above silly post.....but unfortunately for you, i'm not sorry enough to not point out how silly and insane you are
seek help, that is all i can offer you
It is because of several reasons.
1. Justice is not measured by the level of vengeance.
2. Death is preferable to most people who would commit these kinds of crimes to Supermax for the rest of their lives.
3. When it is so unbearably obvious we have killed innocent people in the recent past, until there is some form of perfection in our "justice" system we should always, like with abortion, err on the side of life.
My religion guides me, it doesn't rule me with the iron fist of dogma. If it were justice ensured, accurate, and applied evenly; and which allowed society to progress more clearly towards a time when such crimes would be non-existent then it would be moral to execute people. However it is none of these things. It is expensive, even more expensive than housing them in Supermax for the rest of their lives, it is a very inefficient form of deterrence (the idea that because some Afghanistani government stones chicks to death for getting raped makes it so that there is less capital murder is ridiculous on its face), it is too often applied to those innocent of the crime for which they were convicted and unevenly even between race as well as gender. In a flawed system it is important that we should understand the limitations of our flaws, without a perfect system it is misapplied too often.
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btw onceler....
you claimed the rest of the board loves you as you are their beloved, hence why the rest of the board's rep counters my awesome neg reps to you....yet oddly, your rep hasn't changed since you made that disturbing and insecure post about how the rest of the board loves you
i guess to you, darla is the rest of the board....LOL
you claimed the rest of the board loves you as you are their beloved, hence why the rest of the board's rep counters my awesome neg reps to you....yet oddly, your rep hasn't changed since you made that disturbing and insecure post about how the rest of the board loves you
i guess to you, darla is the rest of the board....LOL
Well, really, I'm just trying to make sense of it. Earlier, you seemed to be saying how much you had succeeded in apparently bothering me, but as always, I just happen upon a post later where you're bringing me up again.
I don't know; I'm no psychologist or anything. Carry on....
Why do you think I was talking about "rep points"?
LOL
If you had asked, I wouldn't have even been able to tell you what you just posted, btw. Glad you're paying attention....
That's what SHE said.
That's what she said ^^
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thanks damo
i never said did and i agree with you. the death penalty is not vengence, it is justice in certain circumstances.
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and i have no doubt that freedom or non colorado supermax would be preferable to them as well. with that said, there are those who want death, but our justice system will not give it to them...do you agree with that?
justice will never be perfect as it is meted out by humans. why don't we just close down the whole justice system so we don't have an innocent locked up who happens to die in prison....?
i agree with your first sentence....as to the rest....are you saying that you would only support the death penalty if it made such crimes non existent?
it doesn't have to be expensive damo. the highlighted portion of your post is beneath you. no one ever said that and you know that is a total strawman.
any system and all systems are flawed. why don't we shut down the penal system because innocents get locked up and get killed in prison?
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and yet your rep hasn't changed
care to share who repped you after my awesome neg rep caused you to go negative? i doubt you will....it will be an embarrassment for you if you do
and yet your rep hasn't changed
care to share who repped you after my awesome neg rep caused you to go negative? i doubt you will....it will be an embarrassment for you if you do
I just checked, and it was Darla, if that's the one you're talking about. Why would that embarass me?
"My awesome neg rep"....this repping stuff is really important to you, isn't it? Yours was actually kind of shrill and psycho....
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
Aren't you?
Yet you provide an emotional scenario and ask if I suddenly think that it is okay to kill people who may be innocent of the crime.
Yes, I believe that living in such circumstances is far more of a punishment and a deterrent than the death penalty is. Especially for those who wish to be "martyrs". There is no reason to give somebody convicted of such crimes what they want or a good life.
Those in prison can still work to prove innocence, those who are dead cannot.
I am saying that if it was shown that such penalties were effectively making such crimes non-existent then I may consider such a thing moral. I still don't think it is the best way to punish people who commit such crimes. I think a small room and no contact with the outside (other than attorney during the hour where they get their lonely "exercise" time) is a far better punishment than a long nap.
It does if we are going to continue to protect those pesky things that get in the way that we so often call "rights".
Because conviction isn't permanent unless the penalty is death. Those alive in prison can always work to prove their innocence. Groups right now have gotten many people off that were set for death. Unfortunately those same groups have often proved innocence too late.
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The use of the term 'states' might be a clue, Detective Yurtsie.
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LOL....because you said you're loved by the rest of the board....how embarrassing...
That doesn't really make sense. First, the love I get from the board is fairly all-encompassing; it's something I bask in on an almost-constant basis, in a wide variety of ways. I wasn't even thinking along the lines of something as trivial as "rep."
Second, even if we did distill it down to "rep points" and comments - which, I must say, I didn't think anyone took so seriously as you seem to - I noticed that I have lots of very nice ones from multitudes of posters on my l'il rep page.
Again, if that kind of stuff is important to you. So, no - it's not embarassing that Darla's just happened to be the last one posted.
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i'm sorry murder, rape etc....is "emotional" for you....you're the one being emotional as the crimes obviously bother you, yet you use the weak "emotional" logical fallacy when we are talking about murder, rape, torture, etc.....geee...how wrong is it for us to think with emotions
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i appreciate your beliefs, but your beliefs are not fact and are not deterrents. if a murderer wants to kill himself or herself after such a horrific crime, why should the state stop them? and force them to endure years of "torture" vis a vis the criminal justice system as we have it now?
you know i am talking about martyrs....
fair enough....that doesn't change the benefit of the death penalty to society
again with the non existent. that is fantasy talk damo. you consider solitary confinement with only one hour a day outside a cell as "humane"......others consider that torture
you still didn't address your strawman....and the "rights"..... is a life raft....you want to talk about rights, yet you want to lock someone up 23 hours a day in a small cell....
fair enough, but you believe locking someone up in a tiny cell 23 hours a day is ok....but death is not, despite the fact that some murderers WANT the death penalty....i don't know much about buddhism, but i find it interesting that you believe living 50 or so years under total lock down, 23 hours a day in a small cell, is better than death