AN INTERESTING FACT ABOUT SLAVERY IN AMERICA THAT IS NEVER MENTIONED.

nonsense

the same party that was for slavery used covid to shut down business and drastically alter the election landscape

the fascist party is still the same one as before


It's fun when they start with their big lie to ask them to itemize just how exactly the democrats of the old south were "conservative."

They'll try circular logic, and then bleat racist hate at whites - but none of them will ever come up with anything "conservative."

The Antebellum South was a shithole run by corrupt oligarchs that had as much contempt for the rights of white people as they did for the blacks they enslaved. They were virtually identical to the democrats of today, power hungry and entitled.
 
In name only, dumbfuck.

That the Democrats of the KKK were conservatives doesn’t sit well with you because you’re a conservative. It’s your political philosophy regardless of the name attached to it.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it less of a lie.

There was nothing even remotely "conservative" about the democrats of the Old South. You just have been trained that you can blame your victims for your sins.
 
Now it’s me that was for slavery. LOL

Are you on some fucking mind-altering drug regimen, drunk, or just plain stupid. “Monte, my bet is on all three!”

yes. you are for slavery

you think you can vote for confiscation of wealth - you call it a fair share, but that is just bullshit
 
So does the RWNJ claim about Democrats starting the KKK. Sure, they did, but then it was taken over by RWNJs about the same time the parties began switching positions.

The Democrats pushed the CRA and the Republicans started their Southern strategy.

In some ways this is similar to what happened with the Democrats and Republicans regarding blue collar workers which finalized in the 2016 election. Many blue collar workers, especially the white males, felt abandoned by the Democrats, especially Hillary, and the Republicans, especially Trump, swooped in to rally their support.

You're free to your wacky conclusions, DtM, but I'm not defending anyone's or any group's racism.


Forget these ignoramuses. No point bothering with people, especially people in a political discussion forum, who still haven't put together the facts that Southern states from the end of the Civil War until the 1960's were famously known as the "Solid South" for their solid support of Democrat candidates but since passage of the Civil Rights Act and other civil rights legislation in the 1960's have become the solid south for Republican candidates.

p.s. or put together that the Republican Party was formed in the 1850's as a progressive party for its era and remained so until Franklin Roosevelt's elections. Just as the South shifted from blue to red so did the parties shift.
 
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It's fun when they start with their big lie to ask them to itemize just how exactly the democrats of the old south were "conservative."

They'll try circular logic, and then bleat racist hate at whites - but none of them will ever come up with anything "conservative."

The Antebellum South was a shithole run by corrupt oligarchs that had as much contempt for the rights of white people as they did for the blacks they enslaved. They were virtually identical to the democrats of today, power hungry and entitled.

Yep, you nailed it.
 
I can’t do anything for your willful ignorance. The Republicans of Lincoln’s day were the progressives of the day. The Dems of the KKK were conservatives.

You’re a conservative, aren’t you? That fact must just grind your ass, huh? It’s evident because you keep denying the truth.


We can't do anything about your utter dishonesty.

Lying that you were the good guy because reasons is as childish as it is stupid.

Traditionally, conservatives favor bottom up governance, where the people have to greatest political power. Electing representatives to govern in cities and towns who are directly responsible to the people. Towns and cities cede a small portion of the authority granted by the people to counties and shires. Counties cede a small portion of their authority to states. States then cede a small portion of authority to the federation, the federal government for the purpose of national courts and national defense.

democrats have a far different view, where there is a ruler, or group of rulers in Washington DC who hold absolute power. The Ruler will appoint barons, earls, ministers, secretaries, et al. to execute the will of the ruling caste on the many states. Governors are the rulers of the individual state, deriving their power from the central government and submit to rule by the central government. Counties must submit to the rule of the state, cities must submit to the rule of the counties, and the people must submit to the rule of every level of government.

This view has not changed since the days of Andrew Jackson.

democrats, democrats never change.
 
Forget these ignoramuses. No point bothering with people, especially people in a political discussion forum, who still haven't put together the facts that Southern states from the end of the Civil War until the 1960's were famously known as the "Solid South" for their solid support of Democrat candidates but since passage of the Civil Rights Act and other civil rights legislation in the 1960's have become the solid south for Republican candidates.

p.s. or put together that the Republican Party was formed in the 1850's as a progressive party for its era and remained so until Franklin Roosevelt's elections. Just as the South shifted from blue to red so did the parties shift.


It's not that you democrat Nazis don't know anything - it's that what you know simply isn't so.

democrats are fundamentally opposed to telling the truth about anything.
 
Something the idiot in the OP forgot to mention. The US no longer needed the slave trade itself because they had sufficient numbers here for the slave population to be self-propagating.

So. no, his premise that they were taking steps to stamp out slavery in 1808 is complete bullshit.

Agreed. It only outlawed the slave trade, not slavery. No progress was being made to eliminate slavery; in fact, slavery and the cotton trade were booming after the cotton gin was invented.

"The Last Slave Ship" is about a wager made in Mobile, AL, to bring in a shipload of slaves in 1859. It was unique because they started a community and they were the only slaves who retained their original language and culture and could describe their African community and enslavement.
 
Forget these ignoramuses. No point bothering with people, especially people in a political discussion forum, who still haven't put together the facts that Southern states from the end of the Civil War until the 1960's were famously known as the "Solid South" for their solid support of Democrat candidates but since passage of the Civil Rights Act and other civil rights legislation in the 1960's have become the solid south for Republican candidates.

p.s. or put together that the Republican Party was formed in the 1850's as a progressive party for its era and remained so until Franklin Roosevelt's elections. Just as the South shifted from blue to red so did the parties shift.

The Republican Southern Strategy worked. :)
 
The KKK was started by Democrats. The thing they hate to mention is that the Dems of the time were CONSERVATIVES. They prefer not to mention that because why? That’s the philosophy they support.

You guys are dumb. The Dems that were involved in the KKK and racism moved to the Repubs in total after LBJ passed the equal rights laws in 1964. They were also upset when Harry Truman integrated the armed service in 1948. They started a state's rights party and ran the Senate's biggest bigot Thurman for president. Eventually, they moved into the party of hate and became Repubs. The Dem party fought with the Dixiecrats, mostly over equal rights. The bigots found a comfortable home in the Repub party. They agree on most policies too.
The KKK was started by Confederate soldiers after the Civil War.
 
I can’t do anything for your willful ignorance. The Republicans of Lincoln’s day were the progressives of the day.

hell no. the republicans of lincolns day are the classical liberals of the founding era and have absolutely nothing in common with the progressives of the day
 
I fully agree with Abraham Lincoln that slavery is a 100%, morally - reprehensible institution. No man has a justifiable right of any kind to hold another individual in human bondage so that he is deprived of his natural, Divinely-ordained, Natural right to freedom. FULL STOP - END OF STORY.


By the end of the American Civil War, 625,000 men had died in one of the West's most horrific and bloody conflicts. And everyone knows that in 1865, after Lincoln's Union Army had defeated the Confederacy, the 13th Amendment prohibiting slavery in the US was ratified.


But the 13th Amendment is just one chapter in the story of the prohibition of slavery in America. Recently I discovered some relevant history relating to slavery in the US that most of you Yanks will not know about, but which I think is very interesting and important.


So, if you want to educate yourself, here it is....


What I learned is that on March 2, 1807, Congress voted to ban the importation of slaves (African and Carribean, in particular) to America. On this day it enacted a law to....


"...prohibit the importation ofslaves into any port or place within the jurisdiction of the United States...from any foreign kingdom, place or country."


The ban took effect on Jan 1, 1808. By the time the lawmakers had acted, EVERY STATE except South Carolina had ALREADY abolished the (transatlantic) slave trade.


This legislation was promoted by President Thomas Jefferson - (and, yes, I know that Jefferson himself was a slaveholder) - who called for the enactment in his 1806, State of the Union address, and who had favoured acting on the issue since the 1770s. Hs position on the question of banning the transatlantic importation of African and Caribbean slaves to America reflected a growing trend toward abolishing the international slave trade, with Virginia, followed by ALL the other states had banned, or restricted, since the prior decade (again, with the exception of South Carolina, which re-opened its trade).



In 1619 the first African slave ships had arrived in Jamestown, Virginia. The American Revolution against the British Crown which began in (1775)/1776, was, as you know,, based on a bone fide appeal to human liberty and the naturally brought the issue of slavery into sharp focus. Many of the Founding Fathers castigated slavery and singled out the slave trade from Africa for condemnation. Some of the Founders, however, including Jefferson, whom I've already mentioned, along with George Washington and George Mason were slave owners. It is difficult to explain this, though there are a 1000 theories that have been put forward in the modern era that attempt to. IMHO, you would need to travel back to America in the later part of the 18th century in a time machine and meet up with Founders like Jefferson and George Washington to ask them, in person, why they owned slaves. Whatever their reasons were, I'm sure you would be surprised (!)



At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, the slave trade emerged as a bitter issue. After much caustic debate, a compromise was finally reached with the Southern states that guaranteed the continuance of the slave trade for 20 years after the adoption of the US Constitution. That deal set the earliest possible expiration date at 1808 - one which Congress met.



I think that for whatever reason/s this history of the slave trade in America is largely forgotten/ overlooked by most Americans, but it is important as it shows the US was taking firm and decisive steps toward stamping out slavery in America long before the 13th Amendment was ratified in 1865 after the Civil War.


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Well, if my understanding of biology is correct, they didn’t need to import new slaves, in fact, by then, the US had decreased importing slaves, besides, with Great Britain banning the trade, the US’s ban wasn’t a big deal
 
hell no. the republicans of lincolns day are the classical liberals of the founding era and have absolutely nothing in common with the progressives of the day

Neither term applies, but the GOP of the Lincoln era were far left for the era, they were called “Radical” for a reason
 
You guys are dumb. The Dems that were involved in the KKK and racism moved to the Repubs.

The Party Switch Myth



There is a crude version of the left-wing narrative around these events that is itself flawed. The ordinary telling that one hears is that the Republican Party, once the relative champion of civil rights in our two party system, embraced the bigotry of Southern white voters, starting in the late 1960s, soon after Democratic President Lyndon Johnson won the allegiance of African-Americans by signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Thus, African-Americans, still largely Republican, and Southern whites, who were still largely Democrats, switched allegiance en masse.

For African-Americans then, the party switch was more a consequence of the impact of the Great Depression and the appeal of FDR’s New Deal than it was a consequence of LBJ’s civil rights legislation. It is also incorrect that white southern Democrats switched party affiliation to Republican in a fell swoop. Older white southern Democrats, in particular, remained Democrats as a rule into the 80s and early 90s. Republicans did not win a majority of congressional seats in the South until as late as 1994.

The core claim at the heart of the party switch myth, however, is not so much that white southerners and African-Americans immediately switched party affiliation following the Civil Rights Act and the advent of the Southern Strategy (this ignores the degree to which party affiliation was less tied to Americans’ larger sense of personal identity at that point in history). The core claim is that the appeal of the parties on the basis of perceived racial issues switched constituencies during this period. This is evidenced not so much by changes in voter registration (although black Republican registration did fall from 22% to 3% from 1960 to 1968) as it is by changes in voting patterns on the presidential level among demographics, starting in 1964. It is also evidenced by the actions and attitudes of key figures from the era.


https://areomagazine.com/2019/04/03/the-party-switch-myth/






The Myth of the Republican-Democrat 'Switch'

The myth of the great Republican-Democrat "switch" summarily falters under the weight of actual historical analysis, and it becomes clear that prolonged electoral shifts combined with the phenomenal nationwide popularity of Republicans Richard Nixon in 1972 and Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984 were the real reason for the Republican strength in the south.

Reagan in particular introduced the entire nation to conservative policies that it found that it loved, sparking a new generation of Republican voters and politicians who still have tremendous influence today.

Racism had nothing to do with it. That is simply a Democratic myth.


https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/fea...1-the-myth-of-the-republican-democrat-switch/




The great party-switch myth

https://www.idahostatejournal.com/f...cle_e887152c-4bdc-11ed-9ad0-e701c65f7cbd.html




 
I fully agree with Abraham Lincoln that slavery is a 100%, morally - reprehensible institution. No man has a justifiable right of any kind to hold another individual in human bondage so that he is deprived of his natural, Divinely-ordained, Natural right to freedom. FULL STOP - END OF STORY.


By the end of the American Civil War, 625,000 men had died in one of the West's most horrific and bloody conflicts. And everyone knows that in 1865, after Lincoln's Union Army had defeated the Confederacy, the 13th Amendment prohibiting slavery in the US was ratified.


But the 13th Amendment is just one chapter in the story of the prohibition of slavery in America. Recently I discovered some relevant history relating to slavery in the US that most of you Yanks will not know about, but which I think is very interesting and important.


So, if you want to educate yourself, here it is....


What I learned is that on March 2, 1807, Congress voted to ban the importation of slaves (African and Carribean, in particular) to America. On this day it enacted a law to....


"...prohibit the importation ofslaves into any port or place within the jurisdiction of the United States...from any foreign kingdom, place or country."


The ban took effect on Jan 1, 1808. By the time the lawmakers had acted, EVERY STATE except South Carolina had ALREADY abolished the (transatlantic) slave trade.


This legislation was promoted by President Thomas Jefferson - (and, yes, I know that Jefferson himself was a slaveholder) - who called for the enactment in his 1806, State of the Union address, and who had favoured acting on the issue since the 1770s. Hs position on the question of banning the transatlantic importation of African and Caribbean slaves to America reflected a growing trend toward abolishing the international slave trade, with Virginia, followed by ALL the other states had banned, or restricted, since the prior decade (again, with the exception of South Carolina, which re-opened its trade).



In 1619 the first African slave ships had arrived in Jamestown, Virginia. The American Revolution against the British Crown which began in (1775)/1776, was, as you know,, based on a bone fide appeal to human liberty and the naturally brought the issue of slavery into sharp focus. Many of the Founding Fathers castigated slavery and singled out the slave trade from Africa for condemnation. Some of the Founders, however, including Jefferson, whom I've already mentioned, along with George Washington and George Mason were slave owners. It is difficult to explain this, though there are a 1000 theories that have been put forward in the modern era that attempt to. IMHO, you would need to travel back to America in the later part of the 18th century in a time machine and meet up with Founders like Jefferson and George Washington to ask them, in person, why they owned slaves. Whatever their reasons were, I'm sure you would be surprised (!)



At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, the slave trade emerged as a bitter issue. After much caustic debate, a compromise was finally reached with the Southern states that guaranteed the continuance of the slave trade for 20 years after the adoption of the US Constitution. That deal set the earliest possible expiration date at 1808 - one which Congress met.



I think that for whatever reason/s this history of the slave trade in America is largely forgotten/ overlooked by most Americans, but it is important as it shows the US was taking firm and decisive steps toward stamping out slavery in America long before the 13th Amendment was ratified in 1865 after the Civil War.


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Dachshund Lives Matter !!

They had enough blacks to breed their own slaves!
 
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