A Civil Discussion: Evolution, Science, Theology, Atheism, Climate

LOWCharacterAsshole said:
Nah, I don't get mad at slaves like you.

Nice owning you.

It's fun to watch you do that little slave dance I taught you.
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Awww...that's cute; you think I care! :rofl2:

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Mr.Badguy said:
There is either the natural, or the supernatural.
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so you are abandoning your "science or magic" stance?......I think it is obvious by definition that if something is not natural, then it is supra-natural (which I think is a better term than supernatural).....just as the natural is divided into many fields, I think it is simplistic to think that there are not multiple fields within the meaning of supra-natural.......

science is generally described as the study of all that is natural........"magic" is NOT the study of the supra-natural......

it is also foolish to think that we currently know all that is "natural" and that some things currently believed to be "supra-natural" are no such thing......
 
Truth Detector said:
I am amused by the "different" paths claim. But again, it is laughable that a particular ape evolved into man, while another stayed an ape. Funny stuff.



How was I uncivil to you? You think your buddies are being civil?

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Again "apes" didn't "stay apes". We evolved and branched off into other groups. What we as humans are today is the result of several other closely human species being out-bred or going extinct due to environmental factors. Same thing with apes such as orangutans, gorillas, and chimpanzees. It's easy to see how they might be related to each other is it not?

Yeah, calling me "MrDUMBguy" is really civil of you. No, in fact very few people are trying to be civil in this thread, but two wrongs doesn't make a right.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
so you are abandoning your "science or magic" stance?......I think it is obvious by definition that if something is not natural, then it is supra-natural (which I think is a better term than supernatural).....just as the natural is divided into many fields, I think it is simplistic to think that there are not multiple fields within the meaning of supra-natural.......

science is generally described as the study of all that is natural........"magic" is NOT the study of the supra-natural......

it is also foolish to think that we currently know all that is "natural" and that some things currently believed to be "supra-natural" are no such thing......
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Oh, please tell us the difference?
 
Truth Detector said:
Says the fool who understands nothing while debating. :rofl2:
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Well, I meant that. When you talk about evolution, it sounds like you have hardly even glanced at the theory.

There is nothing at all about "why are there still apes." Every single lifeform has a common ancestor - your thoughts on evolution would lead one to believe there should only be one species left on the planet, because evolution is linear.

It isn't.
 
Hello Stretch,

Stretch said:
Never has science disproven one thing in the Bible.
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Now that IS a stretch!

The Bible's version of creation, and the scientific evidence are in complete disagreement. I suppose if you want to dwell on whether what science has taught us is actual proof or not, then that slim margin of the argument is all you can cling to. In the strict sense of the word, technically, it is actually a true statement. But for all practical purposes science has totally shown the Bible story of creation is utterly and flatly false.

But hey, if you believe the world is only 6000 years old, and 600 year old Noah saved some dinosaurs on the Ark, then there is a new amusement park just for you in Kentucky.

Washington Post story on the Ark Encounter exhibit - complete with fake dinosaurs.

As amusing as this amusement park is, it does raise some questions if you think about it, though I doubt anybody there would have good answers.

There is a basic mathematics problem with the Ark. a) How many bays does the Ark contain? b) How many species of animals are there? If a) is less than b) then how on Earth are there so many more animal species in existence today, if they all couldn't fit on the Ark?

Has the creator been creating more since the Ark voyage?

And why were these creations excluded from the Bible?

An oversight?

Nope. It just doesn't add up.

And just how was Noah able to gather all the animals of the world? Did he blow a magic whistle and they just came on their own, two by two? From all over the world? And how did Noah know what foods they would all require? Did he also blow his magic whistle for many more than two prey animals to come onboard so that he would be able to feed the predators? I don't personally think a cheetah kept in a small confined area for 40 days and 40 nights would be able to live without a gazelle or two to munch on. And if somehow Noah was able to feed all the animals, how could a cheetah which has not been allowed to run for 40 days and 40 nights possibly prevent muscle loss and agility deterioration? A cheetah needs every ounce of speed it can muster to bag a meal, and that only happens in about one of every ten attempts. I find it implausible that two cheetahs would be able to endure this and then be released and be able to feed themselves.

But hey. Say they did all that too! (amazing, I know) When the cheetahs were finally set free, and they got hungry, would they not eat the two gazelles which were also just released? (if they hadn't already before the voyage ended.) ???

Then why do we have cheetahs and gazelles today? It would seem to be a one or the other but not both kind of a thingie.

Nope. Not buyin it myself.

You are free to believe all of that, ignore all those questions, just believe there is a way, but I will never believe that.

Because it goes against what science has taught us.

And science makes a lot more sense.
 
The Bible is full of fantastical stories that have no basis in reality. Guy lives inside giant fish for days; elderly woman suddenly gets pregnant; water turns into wine; dead guy gets up and starts talking; demons flying out of people; talking burning bush that isn't consumed.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Stretch,



Now that IS a stretch!

The Bible's version of creation, and the scientific evidence are in complete disagreement. I suppose if you want to dwell on whether what science has taught us is actual proof or not, then that slim margin of the argument is all you can cling to. In the strict sense of the word, technically, it is actually a true statement. But for all practical purposes science has totally shown the Bible story of creation is utterly and flatly false.

But hey, if you believe the world is only 6000 years old, and 600 year old Noah saved some dinosaurs on the Ark, then there is a new amusement park just for you in Kentucky.

Washington Post story on the Ark Encounter exhibit - complete with fake dinosaurs.

As amusing as this amusement park is, it does raise some questions if you think about it, though I doubt anybody there would have good answers.

There is a basic mathematics problem with the Ark. a) How many bays does the Ark contain? b) How many species of animals are there? If a) is less than b) then how on Earth are there so many more animal species in existence today, if they all couldn't fit on the Ark?

Has the creator been creating more since the Ark voyage?

And why were these creations excluded from the Bible?

An oversight?

Nope. It just doesn't add up.

And just how was Noah able to gather all the animals of the world? Did he blow a magic whistle and they just came on their own, two by two? From all over the world? And how did Noah know what foods they would all require? Did he also blow his magic whistle for many more than two prey animals to come onboard so that he would be able to feed the predators? I don't personally think a cheetah kept in a small confined area for 40 days and 40 nights would be able to live without a gazelle or two to munch on. And if somehow Noah was able to feed all the animals, how could a cheetah which has not been allowed to run for 40 days and 40 nights possibly prevent muscle loss and agility deterioration? A cheetah needs every ounce of speed it can muster to bag a meal, and that only happens in about one of every ten attempts. I find it implausible that two cheetahs would be able to endure this and then be released and be able to feed themselves.

But hey. Say they did all that too! (amazing, I know) When the cheetahs were finally set free, and they got hungry, would they not eat the two gazelles which were also just released? (if they hadn't already before the voyage ended.) ???

Then why do we have cheetahs and gazelles today? It would seem to be a one or the other but not both kind of a thingie.

Nope. Not buyin it myself.

You are free to believe all of that, ignore all those questions, just believe there is a way, but I will never believe that.

Because it goes against what science has taught us.

And science makes a lot more sense.
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Good for you.
 
PoliTalker said:
But hey, if you believe the world is only 6000 years old
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why do you think we have to believe the world is only 6000 years old?......

b) then how on Earth are there so many more animal species in existence today, if they all couldn't fit on the Ark?
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did no animals evolve after the flood?.....did you assume all 37,000 species of beetle had to be on the ark?......
 
Celticguy said:
There is no reason to hold the idea of evolution as incompatable with religion.
If God can create life, there is no reason to think he could not have built in natural variation. It may in fact be required depending on where God intends for things to become.
I get why some evangelicals disagree but dont ascribe to it myself (and neither should they of they just thought about Noah).
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Premise is flawed. God did not create anything. Man created god. Not the other way. Big difference is evolution is real. There is evidence. It does not require belief due to a lack of data.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
The Bible is full of fantastical stories that have no basis in reality. Guy lives inside giant fish for days; elderly woman suddenly gets pregnant; water turns into wine; dead guy gets up and starts talking; demons flying out of people; talking burning bush that isn't consumed.
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Number of species on Earth tagged at 8.7 million. Most precise estimate yet suggests more than 80% of species still undiscovered. There are 8.7 million eukaryotic species on our planet — give or take 1.3 million.
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And, whether they have gills, feathers or human DNA they all morphed out the same set of chromosomes that came from you-do-not-know-where...OK :palm:
 
Old Bible stories are better off ignored. I some times think they were put in there to try and entice children to the faith back in the day. They have nothing on why I believe in God. I'm not a creationist fool like some. I don't know how the world came to be as it is, and I don't ignore science. Their have been many skeptics that have changed their mind to the idea of God. Like I said it's something you have to see with your own eyes. Trying to see it through convincing from another, especially if they aren't humble about it, just leads to alienation, and keeps you from seeing things on your own. All these pushy morals from hypocrites, that don't understand their own religion, doesn't help either.
 
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