A Civil Discussion: Evolution, Science, Theology, Atheism, Climate

Okay; I want to revisit this theory of evolution.

If man evolved from monkeys as the theory goes, why didn't the OTHER monkeys and apes evolve?

Because their ancestors didn't have the same environmental inputs which in turn led to the differing mutation of the branching species. The monkeys and apes remained in their habitat while the mutating species filled niches in other environments. The monkeys and apes experienced less displacement by mutations because they were already adapted well to their environment.
 
Number of species on Earth tagged at 8.7 million. Most precise estimate yet suggests more than 80% of species still undiscovered. There are 8.7 million eukaryotic species on our planet — give or take 1.3 million.
nature.com
And, whether they have gills, feathers or human DNA they all morphed out the same set of chromosomes that came from you-do-not-know-where...OK :palm:

Amazing that your boy, Noah, was able to fit so many on one boat, huh? Times 2.
 
evolution & abiogenesis are not only inconsistent with a belief in God, they are in direct conflict with Scripture. There is also no direct scientific evidence for either evolution or abiogenesis. That's a fact.

Evolution is a undeniable fact. We have observed changes in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. That is direct scientific evidence.

The theory of evolution explains how evolution via natural selection has created diversity.
 
What's reality?

without question there is out there a state of affairs which regardless of anyone's beliefs or observations or failures to observe, simply "is"........that is reality.....there are not multiple realities.......there is simply mistaken beliefs or mistaken observations........yet, it is conceivable that someone is aware of that reality.......quite frankly, I believe it is me.......
 
Evolution is a undeniable fact. We have observed changes in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. That is direct scientific evidence.

The theory of evolution explains how evolution via natural selection has created diversity.

What you describe is known as adaptation. Not evolution. Besides, don't evolutionists claim that evolution happens too slowly to observe it happening? Adaptation is the expression of genetic traits that already exist in DNA. Also, adaptations can be reversed. Evolution cannot. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that we evolved from apes. Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups.
 
I disagree w/ the basic premise, that the scientific community has opined that if their theories are true, religion must be false (if I'm reading that correctly).

Many scientists ARE religious; some have spoken about their pursuits as ultimately searching for god and an explanation for the universe. I always reject the premise that belief in evolution & abiogenesis are inconsistent w/ a belief in god & religion.

Reject away but the vast majority if scientists are ATHEISTS. Religion cannot survive the least bit of intellectual scrutiny. however some people accept childhood religious training better than others, regardless of what profession they follow. Science and logic are incompatible with religion. But for some, that cannot overcome the propaganda fed to them as children.
 
There is s difference in scientific theory than normal use of theory. A scientific theory simply requires one piece of evidence that does not fit it to destroy it. Then it has be thrown out or reformulated . Evolution has answered every single piece of data., It is theory like gravity is. A theory has to fit all evidence an data. It has to be predictable . Evolution is exactly that.
Gators seem to have avoided it
 
What you describe is known as adaptation. Not evolution. Besides, don't evolutionists claim that evolution happens too slowly to observe it happening? Adaptation is the expression of genetic traits that already exist in DNA. Also, adaptations can be reversed. Evolution cannot. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that we evolved from apes. Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups.

You are insane.
 
Amazing that your boy, Noah, was able to fit so many on one boat, huh? Times 2.

It's impossible, and probably written wrong. How do the animals get to Noah anyway? Even if somehow they could cross oceans, they'd die before crossing. I've stated that the ark would need to be about the size of the Jin Mao Tower, or bigger. My guess is if anything was of it, it was just a flood in a certain area. People didn't know what size the world was, and only knew what was around them. The animals were probably just from around the area. If it rained that much the ark would need to be built a certain way, as a ship taking on that much rain would sink. So it would have to have the rain roll of it like a house.

This is the Jin Mao Tower, by the way.

300px-Jin_Mao_Tower.jpg
 
Reject away but the vast majority if scientists are ATHEISTS. Religion cannot survive the least bit of intellectual scrutiny. however some people accept childhood religious training better than others, regardless of what profession they follow. Science and logic are incompatible with religion. But for some, that cannot overcome the propaganda fed to them as children.

Religion is probably the wrong word. Most religions are based on ancient texts, from superstitious & science-challenged times.

And I generally don't like using the word 'god'. Too many connotations.

But there is a lot we still don't understand. And I don't believe 'god' or whatever word is better to be something supernatural, outside of scientific parameters. I believe that there is a scientific explanation for everything - even 'god.'
 
What you describe is known as adaptation. Not evolution. Besides, don't evolutionists claim that evolution happens too slowly to observe it happening? Adaptation is the expression of genetic traits that already exist in DNA. Also, adaptations can be reversed. Evolution cannot. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that we evolved from apes. Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups.

Wrong. Here is one example, a blind cave wolf spider. Adaptation would mean that the creature living in a light-less environment would still possess eyes; but the eyes would be useless so the animal would adapt by developing alternative senses. These spiders are not only blind; they are eyeless -- an evolutionary trait that developed over millennia.

http://legacy.earlham.edu/~reyeras/noeyedbigeyed.htm
 
What you describe is known as adaptation. Not evolution. Besides, don't evolutionists claim that evolution happens too slowly to observe it happening? Adaptation is the expression of genetic traits that already exist in DNA. Also, adaptations can be reversed. Evolution cannot. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that we evolved from apes. Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups.

lol

It is so amusing to observe the massive ignorance of flat earthers when it comes to their scientific knowledge. Homeschooling is so cute!
 
The invention of God does nothing to expand our understanding of the universe.
It only serves to retard our development.
 
It's impossible, and probably written wrong. How do the animals get to Noah anyway? Even if somehow they could cross oceans, they'd die before crossing. I've stated that the ark would need to be about the size of the Jin Mao Tower, or bigger. My guess is if anything was of it, it was just a flood in a certain area. People didn't know what size the world was, and only knew what was around them. The animals were probably just from around the area. If it rained that much the ark would need to be built a certain way, as a ship taking on that much rain would sink. So it would have to have the rain roll of it like a house.

This is the Jin Mao Tower, by the way.

300px-Jin_Mao_Tower.jpg

Still way too small.
 
Lc #219

Thank you Lc.
You are almost certainly correct.

The Biblical account is almost certainly impossible.
By the time Noah finished collecting viable mating pairs from India,
the ones he'd already collected from Africa would have all died of old age.

And let's keep the time-line in context.

According to author Simon Winchester:

Irish Bishop James Ussher claimed that the 6 Biblical days of creation began 9:AM Monday the 23rd of October 4004 BC.
And while this may be regarded by some as religious (Christian) doctrine, there is some contradictory evidence, including the fossil record. And because the fossil evidence refutes the 6 day creation idea, the doctrinal solution of wies plastica (sp?) [spelled "vis plastica" on Internet] (plastic force) was created. This divine plastic force supposedly inserted fossils into rock to remind us of the omniscience and omnipotence of god. The fossils therefore were not, according to wies plastica (sp?), evidence of life in general or evolution [more gradual than 6 days] in particular. Instead they were claimed to simply be evidence of god’s presence in the universe.
 
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