CharacterAssassin
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Yes, gravity is a theory, fucknugget.
No, Evolution is not just 'pure theory', fucknugget.
A Civil Discussion: Evolution, Science, Theology, Atheism, Climate
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Yes, gravity is a theory, fucknugget.
No, Evolution is not just 'pure theory', fucknugget.
I think Berlinski understands it.
Well, nothing to discuss then. That's what this thread is about. Breaking down and commenting on Berlinski's views.
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A lot of people do. Some people who debate it do not understand the basics of it, however.
Which is fine - but if you want to discuss it, at least know that, and approach it more from an inquisitive point of view, instead of already drawing definitive conclusions based on minimal understanding. (not you personally - but some)
Not a problem.
Got a big ol' fly-in-the-oatmeal there.
" ... God…that’s force ..." is an imaginary force, and will remain so until the existence of any god has been proven.
Discussions about Evolution are little more than red herrings proffered to imply that if Evolution is false, then therefore Creator God.
Even if you could prove Evolution is false, and turn all of Biology on its head, you are absolutely no closer to establishing the existence of any gods.
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Theories aren't true or else they wouldn't be called theories. They seemingly are true, but may not be universally true.
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I believe in all of it - god (for lack of a better word), the big bang, abiogenesis and evolution.
I think the Bible is a very cool historical document, but see it in the context it was written; by very superstitious people, at a time when scientific explanations for many things were limited or non-existent.
Yup, it's just a giant coincidence how God covered all the bases before Herbert Spencer.
Until you can demonstrate how your capital-G god covered all-the-bases, your comment carries no more weight than claiming "Space Pixies covered all the bases.
The onus is on you.
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I've never seen any one-sided coins.
Our culture offers us a binary: science, or religion.
That's fine.
"Theory" the science may be.
BUT !!
That's a higher logical standard than religion, which by definition is:
belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
And while religious agnosticism is widely recognized, some forget that citizens are equally entitled to be non-committal about any other explanation as well.
There is no burden of disproof. If supernaturalists wish to believe in tooth-fairies, that's magnificent. It has no legitimate bearing on me.
Our culture offers us a binary: science, or religion.
That's fine.
"Theory" the science may be.
BUT !!
That's a higher logical standard than religion, which by definition is:
belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
And while religious agnosticism is widely recognized, some forget that citizens are equally entitled to be non-committal about any other explanation as well.
There is no burden of disproof. If supernaturalists wish to believe in tooth-fairies, that's magnificent. It has no legitimate bearing on me.
Mr.Badguy
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Because magic, right?
Leonthecat
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You refuse to understand what mortality means.
Mayhaps 'binary' doesn't quite cover all the bases.
We've got pseudo-sciences (astrology, etc) and perhaps one of the most honest & sincere claims of all time.
It is quite all right to state, "I don't know."
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Leonthecat
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Mr.Badguy
Super lefty
Apes might be YOUR cousin; they sure as hell cannot be mine.
Again, the THEORY shows a man evolving from apes. You can't put lipstick on that PIG and pretend that is NOT what the theory says.
So back to my question; how would SOME evolve and others, stay relatively the same since their beginning?
There you go again, avoiding the question and pretending it meant something else. It is not whether a climate scientist has said the Earth has not warmed and cooled in the past, don't be stupid.
It is the idiotic notion that the Earth is NOW warming due to man's actions. That's an arrogant proposition to say the least when we all know that this warming trend has been going on for millions of years.
Yes, Yosemite Valley was formed by glaciers that eventually retreated all the way to Canada.....and man had nothing to do with it.
Get over yourself. You ARE an ape, more precisely a subdivision of the great ape. Not wanting to feel like an animal doesn't make you not one.
What are you referencing for your thoughts on evolution? Man didn't evolve from what we know today as "apes" but from a common ancestor as I've said before, modern apes also evolved from that ancestor, they just took a different path that seems to be working fine for them. Same thing with every mammal, actually. That's why the classification of mammals exists, because the further back you go, we all came from a common mammalian ancestor.
Evolution doesn't mean just getting more complicated for no reason. There has to be an environmental necessity or selective preference among mates, that's why humans on average are much taller than they used to be even 150 years ago.
You were actually doing so well at being civil for once TD, but I knew it was just a matter of time.
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I doubt that you could discuss quantum mechanics. For starters, do you veer more towards the Copenhagen interpretation or de Broglie–Bohm theory? How about Bell's theory and his concept of super determinism?
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Have you never seen all my posts in threads regarding religion and the Bible? Do you want me to walk into one more trap regarding my personal views just so mob rule can turn another thread into venomous diatribes having nothing to do with Berlinski?
That is not what Evolution says. It says man and monkeys have a common ancestor. It does not say we evolved from moneys. The family tree has several branches that wound up being distinct.
https://www.mica.edu/Documents/ProgramsOfStudy/InViz/InViz_YR3_Justin_Procopio_MVIS5202_Week2.pdf