Rep Paul Ryan's freedom of silence

A memo from a TP group in Connecticut on how to disrupt meetings.

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/docume...d-anti-reform-harrassment-strategy.php?page=1
 
Damocles said:
Dude, be careful. Certain states have cyberbullying laws and this would be a clear violation. I have edited the post. You may want to give it a break between you and Dune. The give and take may escalate into areas that cross lines you are not even aware of.
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Nope. You're speaking to the wrong person. Until he stops then this is what he gets. He started this fight and I'm finishing it. He picked on the wrong person. I suggest you inform him to stop because I am not going to. You can always ban me or you can inform him to stop it.
 
icedancer2theend said:
The majority of Americans do not want the socialist medicine model. It is bankrupting nations at the expense of over taxing its citizens...She already, quite eloquently, enumerated capitalist ideas that would work. She never whined, but it figures you'd attack her personally, instead of her ideas.
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First, a Harvard study has shown 45,000 Americans die prematurely, every year, due to a lack of proper medical care. Statistics show citizens in western nations that have socialized medical care live as long and, in many cases, longer than their US counterparts.

My comment about her whining was in regard to her remark about small business owners being "productive every day" implying she works so much harder than others, ie: employees. I have to admit I have little patience for such nonsense. The primary reason a person goes into business is to be their own boss plus the majority make more money than if they did that same type of work as an employee so it's difficult to view them as a victim.

Lastly, she complains she has access to only 6 insurance companies. But that's not enough for her. She complains about a medical plan being rammed down her throat. The reality is it took 65 years to implement a plan*. Twenty years into the process a partial medical plan came into effect (Medicare and Medicaid/1965**).

Rammed? After 65 years of Republican and Democratic Presidents and Congresses the word "rammed" does not fit in here. Creeped along, plodded, moved at a snail's pace....even those definitions denote things moved far more quickly than they actually did.

* The first U.S. President to propose a prepaid health insurance plan was Harry S. Truman. On November 19, 1945, in a special message to Congress, President Truman outlined a comprehensive, prepaid medical insurance plan for all people through the Social Security system. The plan included doctors and hospitals, and nursing, laboratory, and dental services; it was dubbed "National Health Insurance." Furthermore, medical insurance benefits for needy people were to be financed from Federal revenues.

** In 1965, the Social Security Act established both Medicare and Medicaid.
 
apple0154 said:
First, a Harvard study has shown 45,000 Americans die prematurely, every year, due to a lack of proper medical care. Statistics show citizens in western nations that have socialized medical care live as long and, in many cases, longer than their US counterparts.

My comment about her whining was in regard to her remark about small business owners being "productive every day" implying she works so much harder than others, ie: employees. I have to admit I have little patience for such nonsense. The primary reason a person goes into business is to be their own boss plus the majority make more money than if they did that same type of work as an employee so it's difficult to view them as a victim.

Lastly, she complains she has access to only 6 insurance companies. But that's not enough for her. She complains about a medical plan being rammed down her throat. The reality is it took 65 years to implement a plan*. Twenty years into the process a partial medical plan came into effect (Medicare and Medicaid/1965**).

Rammed? After 65 years of Republican and Democratic Presidents and Congresses the word "rammed" does not fit in here. Creeped along, plodded, moved at a snail's pace....even those definitions denote things moved far more quickly than they actually did.

* The first U.S. President to propose a prepaid health insurance plan was Harry S. Truman. On November 19, 1945, in a special message to Congress, President Truman outlined a comprehensive, prepaid medical insurance plan for all people through the Social Security system. The plan included doctors and hospitals, and nursing, laboratory, and dental services; it was dubbed "National Health Insurance." Furthermore, medical insurance benefits for needy people were to be financed from Federal revenues.

** In 1965, the Social Security Act established both Medicare and Medicaid.
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"A Harvard study"......LOL. Harvard is the same school that did a study that claimed liberals were smarter than conservatives. LOL. I don't think I'm buying into any Harvard studies. No thanks.
 
apple0154 said:
First, a Harvard study has shown 45,000 Americans die prematurely, every year, due to a lack of proper medical care. Statistics show citizens in western nations that have socialized medical care live as long and, in many cases, longer than their US counterparts.

My comment about her whining was in regard to her remark about small business owners being "productive every day" implying she works so much harder than others, ie: employees. I have to admit I have little patience for such nonsense. The primary reason a person goes into business is to be their own boss plus the majority make more money than if they did that same type of work as an employee so it's difficult to view them as a victim.

Lastly, she complains she has access to only 6 insurance companies. But that's not enough for her. She complains about a medical plan being rammed down her throat. The reality is it took 65 years to implement a plan*. Twenty years into the process a partial medical plan came into effect (Medicare and Medicaid/1965**).

Rammed? After 65 years of Republican and Democratic Presidents and Congresses the word "rammed" does not fit in here. Creeped along, plodded, moved at a snail's pace....even those definitions denote things moved far more quickly than they actually did.

* The first U.S. President to propose a prepaid health insurance plan was Harry S. Truman. On November 19, 1945, in a special message to Congress, President Truman outlined a comprehensive, prepaid medical insurance plan for all people through the Social Security system. The plan included doctors and hospitals, and nursing, laboratory, and dental services; it was dubbed "National Health Insurance." Furthermore, medical insurance benefits for needy people were to be financed from Federal revenues.

** In 1965, the Social Security Act established both Medicare and Medicaid.
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That business about having access to only six providers just cracks me up. She should go work for a corporation where you might have only one provider, and your choice is how many services you want to pay for, i.e. Basic plan, PPO, etc. The idea that people have unlimited choice now sounds great in theory, but in practice most take whatever their employer provides and are happy to get it.
 
christiefan915 said:
That business about having access to only six providers just cracks me up. She should go work for a corporation where you might have only one provider, and your choice is how many services you want to pay for, i.e. Basic plan, PPO, etc. The idea that people have unlimited choice now sounds great in theory, but in practice most take whatever their employer provides and are happy to get it.
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You could always move if you don't like it here.
 
Damocles said:
1. What bill? A simple HR number would do.
2. Apple will support it because the guy has a D next to his name. Even if the bill was to nationalize all businesses "temporarily". Apple would then find an excuse as to how it will be "good", once we are back on our feet people can start over...
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As I implied in my post to Alias we all know how most small business owners feel. The gal in the video and the cheering crowd whom she said was composed of many SBOs made that clear. Small business owners are "productive every day" and the unemployed....well, they don't get much sympathy from SBOs. To be perfectly honest I doubt more than a few care whether the unemployed eat or have a place to sleep.
 
Damocles said:
1. What bill? A simple HR number would do.
2. Apple will support it because the guy has a D next to his name. Even if the bill was to nationalize all businesses "temporarily". Apple would then find an excuse as to how it will be "good", once we are back on our feet people can start over...
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Just thought I'd throw this in. Here's the Republican medical "plan".

 
Alias said:
"A Harvard study"......LOL. Harvard is the same school that did a study that claimed liberals were smarter than conservatives. LOL. I don't think I'm buying into any Harvard studies. No thanks.
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Well, we hardly need Harvard to tell us Liberals are smarter than Conservatives. ;)
 
apple0154 said:
As I implied in my post to Alias we all know how most small business owners feel. The gal in the video and the cheering crowd whom she said was composed of many SBOs made that clear. Small business owners are "productive every day" and the unemployed....well, they don't get much sympathy from SBOs. To be perfectly honest I doubt more than a few care whether the unemployed eat or have a place to sleep.
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:rolleyes:

Right. You put yourself in "their shoes", and what you assign is what you believe you would do, not what they actually believe. This projection shows more about you than it does about "them"...

I am now certain that you actually believed Patsy Schroeder when she told you that Rush Limbaugh wanted his grandmother to eat dog food.

It takes a lack of empathy bordering on psychopathy to be able to say this stuff with a straight face, let alone to truly believe them.
 
Damocles said:
:rolleyes:

Right. You put yourself in "their shoes", and what you assign is what you believe you would do, not what they actually believe. This projection shows more about you than it does about "them"...

I am now certain that you actually believed Patsy Schroeder when she told you that Rush Limbaugh wanted his grandmother to eat dog food.

It takes a lack of empathy bordering on psychopathy to be able to say this stuff with a straight face, let alone to truly believe them.
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Sounds like Rush to me.
 
Damocles said:
:rolleyes:

Right. You put yourself in "their shoes", and what you assign is what you believe you would do, not what they actually believe. This projection shows more about you than it does about "them"...

I am now certain that you actually believed Patsy Schroeder when she told you that Rush Limbaugh wanted his grandmother to eat dog food.

It takes a lack of empathy bordering on psychopathy to be able to say this stuff with a straight face, let alone to truly believe them.
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I know exactly what they believe. They are against medical care for everyone. Whether there are 6 or 60 or 600 medical insurers there will still be people who can not afford medical coverage. Even if the average rate is chopped in half there will still be people who can not afford it and to have citizens in the richest country in the world unable to afford medical care is outrageous.

That's it in a nut shell.
 
Alias said:
Nope. You're speaking to the wrong person. Until he stops then this is what he gets. He started this fight and I'm finishing it. He picked on the wrong person. I suggest you inform him to stop because I am not going to. You can always ban me or you can inform him to stop it.
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:tantrum:
 
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