The James scandal just keeps on giving

[T. A. Gardner]

Lies. you are such a deeply stupid person it is hard to highlight the most stupid but i will try... see your bolded above.

here again are the laws Trump was charged with breaking by Letisha James you will note, that no matter how many times you say a finding of Fraud did not happen as you claim there is no Fraud in the civil Statutes an Attorney General can use YOU ARE WRONG AND LYING...

• New York Executive Law § 63(12) — The complaint alleges that Trump and related parties “engaged in years of financial fraud” by issuing false statements of financial condition, over 200 valuations of assets, etc. New York State Attorney General+2Wikipedia+2
• Additional state-law violations alleged include submission of false financial statements to banks/insurers and insurance fraud.

The New York civil fraud case brought by Attorney General Letitia James resulted in a formal judicial finding of fraud against Donald Trump, his adult sons, and the Trump Organization.


Here’s the breakdown of what that means legally and factually:

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The Legal Finding​

• Court: New York Supreme Court (Justice Arthur Engoron)
• Statute used: Executive Law § 63(12) — New York’s civil anti-fraud statute
• Finding: Liability for persistent and repeated fraud

Judge Engoron ruled in September 2023 (summary judgment) — before trial even began — that Trump, his company, and key executives were liable for fraud. The judge concluded that the evidence overwhelmingly showed they had grossly inflated and deflated asset values in their “Statements of Financial Condition” for years to mislead lenders and insurers.


This decision means:

If all that is true, then why did the appeals court not even hesitate to toss Engoron's judgement and ruling completely out? Trump owes nothing. All that stands right now is the finding Engoron made and that is MEANINGLESS without a financial penalty attached. Trump owes NOTHING.

 

[QP!]

If all that is true, then why did the appeals court not even hesitate to toss Engoron's judgement and ruling completely out? Trump owes nothing. All that stands right now is the finding Engoron made and that is MEANINGLESS without a financial penalty attached. Trump owes NOTHING.

That answer is easy for a person who is not stupid.

The calculation of the amount of the FRAUD if done incorrectly is simply a MATH ERROR and can and will get that amount adjusted or thrown out.

What that DOES NOT IMPACT is the ruling of FRAUD if the amount is adjusted UP or DOWN based on the judge doing bad math. Judges are not mathematicians and these calculations are complex and so it as common, as it is not, to see amounts adjusted UP or DOWN by the appeals courts.,

So yes, ALL THAT IS TRUE and an adjustment or throwing out of the cash penalty WHILE THE SAME APPEALS COURT AFFIRMS THE FRAUD FINDING HOLD, makes it true Terry.

And yet the very next time you speak on this subject you will forget all this and repeat again your same lie.

 

[LurchAddams]

Those doing the "investigation" had a vested interest in seeing Byrd cleared and the matter swept under the rug.

Well, if you have a problem with that, you must have a problem with people having a vested interest in seeing enemies of trump harmed and prosecuted. trump has turned the DOJ into a MAGA railroad squad.

No. Byrd was outnumbered, did his job as best he could and no amount of MAGA spin is going to change those facts. How about a little sympathy for the cops where were beaten and bloodied trying to hold those thugs off? Would that be so fucking hard for you? Is your heart that dark that you can't admit J6 was a horrible crime perpertrated by thugs, innocent cops were injured, and then trump releasing all the violent ones, many who have re-offended was wrong?

Try "the truth" and "facts" and "honesty" for once TA. I promise it won't hurt.

Nothing Jan 6 conspiracy theorists can do to change that.

J6 is not a "conspiracy". It was a coup attempt incited by the president and goosed by his thugs.

Byrd was cleared by an internal investigation that wanted a predetermined outcome.

Byrd stopped a thug, he risked his own life. So much braver than Babbit or any of the criminals who attacked America that day.

 

[EdwinA]

Seems Letitia James had her grandniece, Nakia Thompson, living with her three children, in James' house in Norfolk VA for the last five (5) years. All innocuous right? Well...

Seems Nakia Tompson is a wanted fugitive in Forsyth County N. Carolina for violating her probation and fleeing the state. Thompson has a litany of prior felonies and misdemeanors on her record.

https://nypost.com/2025/10/14/us-ne...ing-fugitive-grandniece-in-her-virginia-home/

Letitia James's grandniece 'willfully avoiding' probation living in Virginia home

Letitia James’s grandniece was declared an absconder from North Carolina probation while living in the AG’s Virginia home.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I guess with James, family are above the law too... Nothing like the attorney general of New York harboring a wanted felon...

It's hilarious to hear her and her fellow scumbags crying about 'malicious prosecutions' when she herself ran on a 'I'll dream up something to nail Trump with' ticket. The difference is she actually commited crimes, he didn't. It's hilarious how these silly vermin are in here still defending the little criminal bitch.

 

[QP!]

It's hilarious to hear her and her fellow scumbags crying about 'malicious prosecutions' when she herself ran on a 'I'll dream up something to nail Trump with' ticket. The difference is she actually commited crimes, he didn't. It's hilarious how these silly vermin are in here still defending the little criminal bitch.

No the difference is Trump was found liable for his crimes and she will walk free. That is because her prosecution is malicious, which is why no prosecutor with any experience would file it, and Trump had to bring in his personal insurance lawyer to do it. And Trumps verdict was righteous as per the findings of the judge and appeals court.

There is a reason the list of Trump Admin, Trump Campaign and Trump Lawyers, and Trump himself all have a long and growing list of indictments that end up in findings of Fraud or other crimes. It takes pages to list them all.

There is a reason going back to Bill Clinton and the countless investigations of him, Obama, Hillary, and Biden they have so few convictions i can list it in few bullets:

- Hunter Biden - firearms purchase and tax
- 2 or 3 Clinton admin for minor things unrelated to Starr Investigation focus.

If you want the PAGES of Trump related ones, just ask. I won't even include the pages of Nixon, Bush1&2, and Reagan ones (all of which are still less than Trump ones alone) despite them being a lot.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

That answer is easy for a person who is not stupid.

The calculation of the amount of the FRAUD if done incorrectly is simply a MATH ERROR and can and will get that amount adjusted or thrown out.

Half a billion dollars is NOT a rounding error. Engoron and James wanted to bankrupt Trump and they failed miserably.

What that DOES NOT IMPACT is the ruling of FRAUD if the amount is adjusted UP or DOWN based on the judge doing bad math. Judges are not mathematicians and these calculations are complex and so it as common, as it is not, to see amounts adjusted UP or DOWN by the appeals courts.,

The amount is gone. Engoron's ruling on the penalty was tossed out. New York gets NOTHING. There's no adjusting anything here. The appeals court tossed out the judgement.

So yes, ALL THAT IS TRUE and an adjustment or throwing out of the cash penalty WHILE THE SAME APPEALS COURT AFFIRMS THE FRAUD FINDING HOLD, makes it true Terry.

And yet the very next time you speak on this subject you will forget all this and repeat again your same lie.

New York is getting nothing from this case. That's the reality now.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The investigation into Babbit's killing has been well documented, well investigated and the cop who shot her climbing through a broken window has been cleared.

Nothing any MAGA troll wants to make up can change that.

The cop was investigated and cleared. You have zero clue what you're talking about and want to persecute the cop because he interfered with your violent coup attempt.

I'm not claiming the case will reopen or change. I am unequivocally stating I, and a good number of other reasonable people, think Byrd's actions were covered up and swept under the rug. Byrd has a long history of fucking up on the job. That's documented. He fucked up here too and cost someone their life. This isn't about Babbitt's actions. She was wrong climbing through that window. Byrd was wrong in shooting her then fleeing.

 

[LurchAddams]

I'm not claiming the case will reopen or change. I am unequivocally stating I, and a good number of other reasonable people, think Byrd's actions were covered up and swept under the rug. Byrd has a long history of fucking up on the job. That's documented. He fucked up here too and cost someone their life. This isn't about Babbitt's actions. She was wrong climbing through that window. Byrd was wrong in shooting her then fleeing.

All your opinion. All heavily tainted by your irrational hatred for Democrats. Babbit was the criminal. Byrd was our protector. These are the facts. Had Babbit stayed home and not tried to disrupt a formal proceeding and do harm to other people she'd still be alive.

You're blaming the protector, here, not the actual criminal.

P.S. - OH! and how about a little blame for the asshole who instigated the whole thing. Babbit's family should be suing HIM!

 

[Uncensored2008]

You are not in the know, but you have the right to your informed opinion. Comey and James walk, and Bolton deals.

No, I'm just smart and pay attention to facts, unlike you. You are so partisan you ignore and deny anything that doesn't serve your shameful party.

James will cut a deal - because she knows how this all works. Oh, and your party is going to get slaughtered in the midterms - partly due to the Schumer Shutdown. Party just because democrats are just shitty people and America is sick of you.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's hilarious to hear her and her fellow scumbags crying about 'malicious prosecutions' when she herself ran on a 'I'll dream up something to nail Trump with' ticket. The difference is she actually commited crimes, he didn't. It's hilarious how these silly vermin are in here still defending the little criminal bitch.

Hypocrisy and dishonesty have traditionally been the twin pillars the democrat party is built on.

Though lately Antisemitism has risen as a protrusion from the filthy democrats, as they merge with radical Islam.

 

[Nordberg]

It's hilarious to hear her and her fellow scumbags crying about 'malicious prosecutions' when she herself ran on a 'I'll dream up something to nail Trump with' ticket. The difference is she actually commited crimes, he didn't. It's hilarious how these silly vermin are in here still defending the little criminal bitch.

The Dems had to select from a long menu of Trump crimes. The problem was that the Dems started too late. If they nailed Trump for his theft and mishandling of documents, he would not be in office. If they pursued his electoral college crimes, he would not be in office. His election crimes in Georgia would have cooked him.
I kept wondering what they were waiting for. Trump is a 34-time guilty felon out on bail awaiting sentencing. They were too slow with that too.

 

[LurchAddams]

The Dems had to select from a long menu of Trump crimes. The problem was that the Dems started too late. If they nailed Trump for his theft and mishandling of documents, he would not be in office. If they pursued his electoral college crimes, he would not be in office. His election crimes in Georgia would have cooked him.
I kept wondering what they were waiting for. Trump is a 34-time guilty felon out on bail awaiting sentencing. They were too slow with that too.

In my opinion Garland bears a lot of the blame for trump running around free. In his struggle to "not look political" he bent too far in trump's favor. His foot-dragging prevented justice from being done.

trump and his thugs could give two shits about "not looking political". It's all just naked revenge, destroying lives with our, taxpayer money.

 

[EdwinA]

No the difference is Trump was found liable for his crimes and she will walk free. That is because her prosecution is malicious, which is why no prosecutor with any experience would file it, and Trump had to bring in his personal insurance lawyer to do it. And Trumps verdict was righteous as per the findings of the judge and appeals court.

There is a reason the list of Trump Admin, Trump Campaign and Trump Lawyers, and Trump himself all have a long and growing list of indictments that end up in findings of Fraud or other crimes. It takes pages to list them all.

There is a reason going back to Bill Clinton and the countless investigations of him, Obama, Hillary, and Biden they have so few convictions i can list it in few bullets:

- Hunter Biden - firearms purchase and tax
- 2 or 3 Clinton admin for minor things unrelated to Starr Investigation focus.

If you want the PAGES of Trump related ones, just ask. I won't even include the pages of Nixon, Bush1&2, and Reagan ones (all of which are still less than Trump ones alone) despite them being a lot.

lol you are just a sociopath.

 

[EdwinA]

The Dems had to select from a long menu of Trump crimes. The problem was that the Dems started too late. If they nailed Trump for his theft and mishandling of documents, he would not be in office. If they pursued his electoral college crimes, he would not be in office. His election crimes in Georgia would have cooked him.
I kept wondering what they were waiting for. Trump is a 34-time guilty felon out on bail awaiting sentencing. They were too slow with that too.

h we don't doubt you wonder all the time, about everything, including wondering about how that poop is always filling your diapers.

 

[serendipity]

Oh boy, are you a new member or just another libtard trying to erase the embarrassing shit you've said by creating a new account? If new, you're just what this place needs, another dumbass moron with no game. 'Ahhh, Tobytones throwing mud and saying the stupidest things.'

What a comeback, it's obvious that you're a genius like all the other radicalized libtard drones, likely highly educated. The way you tore apart my comment with counter points and facts reveals just how smart you are. The good news? Don't worry you'll fit right in with the other drones here.

There is a daily circlejerk on a popular libtard thread 'want to know what a nice person owlwoman is.' I heard they are looking for a new pivot man, could be your lucky day. Thank me later for the tip.

He was here under that same name for a while, he was a pain back then and it looks like little has changed.

 

[Tobytone]

He was here under that same name for a while, he was a pain back then and it looks like little has changed.

Thanks for the info, that makes sense. Maybe he's been busy on the riot circuit through the summer. Many drones will go back to their parents basements and do the keyboard warrior thing rather than deal with the chilly days and nights of autumn.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

An old saw about liaring... err, lawyering... is

If the law is on your side, argue the law.
If the facts are on your side, argue the facts.
If you have neither in your favor, bang your shoe on the table and demand the case be thrown out.

Right now, if you follow what James, and her lawyer(s), are doing, they've picked option #3. They're demanding the prosecutor be fired because she supposedly was improperly hired. They're claiming the case is about retribution. They're saying the charges are unfounded and nonsense, and they're doing all of that in the MSM to the greatest degree they can.

 

[FastLane]

An old saw about liaring... err, lawyering... is

If the law is on your side, argue the law.
If the facts are on your side, argue the facts.
If you have neither in your favor, bang your shoe on the table and demand the case be thrown out.

Right now, if you follow what James, and her lawyer(s), are doing, they've picked option #3. They're demanding the prosecutor be fired because she supposedly was improperly hired. They're claiming the case is about retribution. They're saying the charges are unfounded and nonsense, and they're doing all of that in the MSM to the greatest degree they can.

Exactly.

 

[FastLane]

In my opinion Garland bears a lot of the blame for trump running around free. In his struggle to "not look political" he bent too far in trump's favor. His foot-dragging prevented justice from being done.

trump and his thugs could give two shits about "not looking political". It's all just naked revenge, destroying lives with our, taxpayer money.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

If all that is true, then why did the appeals court not even hesitate to toss Engoron's judgement and ruling completely out? Trump owes nothing. All that stands right now is the finding Engoron made and that is MEANINGLESS without a financial penalty attached. Trump owes NOTHING.

And yet MORE evidence T.A. is in a cult when he simply ignores reality to promote his fantasies.

The appeals court did not toss Engoron's ruling completely out. It only tossed the fine. The rest of the ruling remains intact. Trump's businesses are run by a court appointed monitor and Trump and his sons are prevented from being on any position of leadership in a company in NY for 2 to 5 years.

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=1WzXtf18NLFTKcGOro0h7A==

Presiding Justice Renwick and I find that Supreme Court correctly found
defendants liable. We agree with Supreme Court that the Attorney General acted well
within her lawful power in bringing this action, and that she vindicated a public interest
in doing so. We also find that Supreme Court properly ruled only on claims that are
timely under the applicable statute of limitations. However, we would modify the
remedy ordered by Supreme Court.