The abortion issue: one solution

Dixie said:
No, the major complaint of anti-abortion folks, is women being given the right to terminate the life of another human being without their consent, for the sake of vanity and convenience. If we can eliminate that issue, we can probably find a reasonable solution. Unfortunately, the country is full of illiterate hicks like Apple, who can't even acknowledge when human life biologically begins. Along with Liberal pinheads who are devoid of morality, and don't believe in personal consequences or responsibility.
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Dixie, my son, read the "When does life end" thread. It's already been shown when human life begins and it's NOT the moment the sperm and egg join. Science has shown the anti-abortionist argument to be fallacious but, as I've said before, anti-abortionists have jumped on to any passing wagon regardless of how inane the logic.
 
Southern Man said:
Complete bullshit on your part. You propose that I should be able to not pay for aspects of certain federal programs that I consider immoral, yet you reserve the right to selectively tell me what is immoral. Your argument fails due to illogical pretense.
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You really should learn to READ what I write. In several responses, I state that my proposal IN NO WAY PREVENTS YOU FROM PROTESTING ABORTION OR TRYING TO GET LEGISLATURE TO BAN IT.

What my proposal does is effectively remove one of the major complaints that anti-abortionists have used over the years.

You have made a lot generalized statements regarding the federal gov't...and when I pointed out the flaws in that statement, you pretend that exchange didn't exist and just regurgitate another form of your false description of what my proposal does.

Let me be blunt......my proposal relieves you of ANY financial contribution to abortion. What is left is your personal moral indignation, which is fine. What I find fascinating is that you and folk with your mindset really don't address what is to be done with all these unwanted children? You're advocated of federal programs such as welfare, day care services, single payer or public option healthcare, revamping of public education, etc., directly affects the unwanted kid in foster care. Add to this the insistence of continuing our society's puritanical attitude towards sex and sex education, and essentially you are promoting continuing the status quo.

Bottom line: my proposal means it's none of your business....you don't know and give a damn about the women before they get pregnant, and you sure as hell bitch and moan about any social service they would receive from the fed gov't. So until your moral parameters expand to comprehend the whole picture from beginning to end, your mypoic outrage is rendered as so much frustrated hypocrisy.
 
Taichiliberal said:
:palm: Evidently, the idea of logically removing one talking point from the anti-abortion folk is so disturbing to you that you babble sacastically.
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Regarding your reply to Prophet all I can say is get used to their babbling. You'll see the same thing on the "When does life end" thread.

Their talking point that humans come into existence the very moment sperm and egg join was shown to be fallacious, however, that hasn't stopped a few from continued babbling.

Their arguments are based on a house of cards. Remove one and it all comes tumbling down.
 
Taichiliberal said:
You really should learn to READ what I write. In several responses, I state that my proposal IN NO WAY PREVENTS YOU FROM PROTESTING ABORTION OR TRYING TO GET LEGISLATURE TO BAN IT.

What my proposal does is effectively remove one of the major complaints that anti-abortionists have used over the years.

You have made a lot generalized statements regarding the federal gov't...and when I pointed out the flaws in that statement, you pretend that exchange didn't exist and just regurgitate another form of your false description of what my proposal does.

Let me be blunt......my proposal relieves you of ANY financial contribution to abortion. What is left is your personal moral indignation, which is fine. What I find fascinating is that you and folk with your mindset really don't address what is to be done with all these unwanted children? You're advocated of federal programs such as welfare, day care services, single payer or public option healthcare, revamping of public education, etc., directly affects the unwanted kid in foster care. Add to this the insistence of continuing our society's puritanical attitude towards sex and sex education, and essentially you are promoting continuing the status quo.

Bottom line: my proposal means it's none of your business....you don't know and give a damn about the women before they get pregnant, and you sure as hell bitch and moan about any social service they would receive from the fed gov't. So until your moral parameters expand to comprehend the whole picture from beginning to end, your mypoic outrage is rendered as so much frustrated hypocrisy.
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You are such an Emo!!

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PostmodernProphet said:
your proposal does nothing to stop killing children and actually promotes and legitimizes it.......it makes you a promoter and facilitator of the unnecessary death of a human being for no other reason than that it's mother cannot be bothered to deliver it......
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You're absurd simplification of abortion reeks of the blatherings of the hypocritcal religious zealots who have a history of mypopia when dealing with this subject.

Let me be blunt......my proposal relieves you of ANY financial contribution to abortion. What is left is your personal moral indignation, which is fine. What I find fascinating is that you and folk with your mindset really don't address what is to be done with all these unwanted children. Add to this the insistence of continuing our society's puritanical attitude towards sex and sex education, and essentially you are promoting continuing the status quo. If this society would treat sex and sex education the way we treat indoctrination of spectator sports and learning to drive and care for a car, abortion would indeed be reduced to victims of rape and extenuating medical problems. Currently, there are like 100,000 kids in the foster system.....

Bottom line: my proposal means it's none of your business....you don't know and don't give a damn about the women before they get pregnant, and you sure as hell bitch and moan about any social service they would receive from the fed gov't. So until your moral parameters expand to comprehend the whole picture from beginning to end, your mypoic outrage is rendered as so much frustrated hypocrisy.

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apple0154 said:
Regarding your reply to Prophet all I can say is get used to their babbling. You'll see the same thing on the "When does life end" thread.

Their talking point that humans come into existence the very moment sperm and egg join was shown to be fallacious, however, that hasn't stopped a few from continued babbling.

Their arguments are based on a house of cards. Remove one and it all comes tumbling down.
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Tell me about it!
 
Dixie said:
No, here is what we should do... We should summarily round up everyone in America who has such a disregard for human life as to advocate partial birth abortion, take them out into a field and put a bullet in the back of their head. This would be 100% MORE humane than how they advocate murdering the partially born, which involves driving a suction shunt into the brain from the base of the skull.
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And for those who advocate human life starts the moment the sperm joins the egg they should be required by law to attend a science class. That would definitely shine a different light on all this abortion nonsense.
 
Dixie said:
I don't care who you talk to, soldiers, cops, executioners... one thing they will all tell you, something fundamentally happens to you when you take the life of another human being..............It often leads to lifelong depression, drug and alcohol abuse, and suicide.
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In that case we better stop capital punishment right away. Why do Conservatives condone capital punishment knowing the person carrying it out will suffer lifelong depression, drug and alcohol abuse, and suicide?

And while we're at it let's shred those "Uncle Sam Wants You" posters. Why would we encourage people to get involved in something that will result in lifelong depression, drug and alcohol abuse, and suicide? And recruiters on campuses. Vile, I say!!

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Dixie said:
Seems to me that's it's quite unlikely her predicament was the result of following conservative "abstinence" policies. You do understand how pregnancy occurs, right?

As for her life being ruined... I had rather her life be ruined, than for her soul to be condemned to eternal damnation for taking someone's innocent life.

I don't care who you talk to, soldiers, cops, executioners... one thing they will all tell you, something fundamentally happens to you when you take the life of another human being. It changes who you are and how you see yourself, from that point forward. I don't think the young women currently being herded into abortion clinics by liberal pinheads, have the slightest idea of what this is like. I don't think anyone has prepared them for the guilt and blame they will carry for the rest of their lives, over what they did. I've known women who experienced this, who made the rash decision to have an abortion, then later had remorse for what they did. It often leads to lifelong depression, drug and alcohol abuse, and suicide. If they ever did a study on it, you would be shocked at how often that turns out to be the case. But this is largely ignored by "do-gooders" like you, who just want to keep murdering babies because you're sick and twisted, and don't care about morality.
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Taichiliberal said:
You're absurd simplification of abortion reeks of the blatherings of the hypocritcal religious zealots who have a history of mypopia when dealing with this subject.

Let me be blunt......my proposal relieves you of ANY financial contribution to abortion. What is left is your personal moral indignation, which is fine. What I find fascinating is that you and folk with your mindset really don't address what is to be done with all these unwanted children. Add to this the insistence of continuing our society's puritanical attitude towards sex and sex education, and essentially you are promoting continuing the status quo. If this society would treat sex and sex education the way we treat indoctrination of spectator sports and learning to drive and care for a car, abortion would indeed be reduced to victims of rape and extenuating medical problems. Currently, there are like 100,000 kids in the foster system.....

Bottom line: my proposal means it's none of your business....you don't know and don't give a damn about the women before they get pregnant, and you sure as hell bitch and moan about any social service they would receive from the fed gov't. So until your moral parameters expand to comprehend the whole picture from beginning to end, your mypoic outrage is rendered as so much frustrated hypocrisy.

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I suspect that if we had a box on your tax return that allowed you to say "I have no part in it" you would have no problem with using American taxpayer money to bomb and invade Saskatchewan?........as for your continued lies about those things I give a damn about, you may kiss my ass, dumbfuck.....
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
are you so stupid that you actually believe a woman who delivers a child will be forced to raise that child to the age of eighteen?......are you completely unaware of the concept of adoption.......I see you've managed to delude yourself into thinking that what she is killing is merely a clump of cells with no neurons......be reminded that the aborted child is far more than that by the time her dumbfuck quarterback boyfriend has even told her he has no intention of marrying her but will drive her to the abortion clinic if she goes halves on the gas.......
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Talking about halves on the gas that reminded me of the bumper stickers, "Gas, grass or ass. Nobody rides for free." :D
 
Taichiliberal said:
This has NOTHING to do with the discussion at hand.

See that therapist, because you obsessive grudge against me makes you look more foolish with each of your posts.
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And one would think that anyone that tries so hard to convince everyone that they're so smart, like you do, would have figured out that when you're at negatve REP; they it has no affect.

I was right, you are an EMO.

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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
You're absurd simplification of abortion reeks of the blatherings of the hypocritcal religious zealots who have a history of mypopia when dealing with this subject.

Let me be blunt......my proposal relieves you of ANY financial contribution to abortion. What is left is your personal moral indignation, which is fine. What I find fascinating is that you and folk with your mindset really don't address what is to be done with all these unwanted children. Add to this the insistence of continuing our society's puritanical attitude towards sex and sex education, and essentially you are promoting continuing the status quo. If this society would treat sex and sex education the way we treat indoctrination of spectator sports and learning to drive and care for a car, abortion would indeed be reduced to victims of rape and extenuating medical problems. Currently, there are like 100,000 kids in the foster system.....

Bottom line: my proposal means it's none of your business....you don't know and don't give a damn about the women before they get pregnant, and you sure as hell bitch and moan about any social service they would receive from the fed gov't. So until your moral parameters expand to comprehend the whole picture from beginning to end, your mypoic outrage is rendered as so much frustrated hypocrisy.
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PostmodernProphet said:
I suspect that if we had a box on your tax return that allowed you to say "I have no part in it" you would have no problem with using American taxpayer money to bomb and invade Saskatchewan?........as for your continued lies about those things I give a damn about, you may kiss my ass, dumbfuck.....
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Typical response of an intellectually bankrupt anti-abortion parrot......you can't logically fault me, so you fabricate some absurd comparsion to "justify" you repeating your stance while avoiding any actual intellectual contemplation.

Newsflash genius....declaring war is an act of Congress, which the people of the USA have full say in the matter (read the Constitution). If they don't like it, Congress knows it, or didn't you hear about what happened during the Vietnam War?

Big difference from giving an option on funding a medical procedure with federal dollars, don't you know?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Okay, one of the major complaints by the anti-abortion folks is that they don't want their tax dollars funding abortions.

My solution: just have an insert in the IRS form that allow filers the option of NOT funding abortion.....it can have a little calculation chart that by which they can figure out what percentage of their earnings should be exempt from taxation.

That way, the objection would totally be on moral grounds...and the debate would have a whole new angle on capitol hill and the public forum.
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Try reading the Constitution sometime. Nowhere does it authorize the Federal government to fund abortion, or even health care for that matter. Medicare and Medicaid are unconstitutional. So is the Department of Education, Social Security, and just about every other wasteful program concocted by the liberal mind.

Why not allow people to keep their hard-earned money and run their own life as they see fit? What the hell is wrong with you? If low income women want an abortion, I guarantee there are people who are willing to pay for it voluntarily. Coercion is never right, especially when it violates the morality of at least 50% of the country. Also, once the Federal government starts funding abortion, we are one step closer to forced abortions.
 
In that case we better stop capital punishment right away. Why do Conservatives condone capital punishment knowing the person carrying it out will suffer lifelong depression, drug and alcohol abuse, and suicide?
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I know quite a few Conservatives, especially Social Conservatives, who oppose the Death Penalty. I am fairly neutral on it myself, if Alabama outlawed it, would be fine with me. I've never had to vote on it, and I can't really say how I might, I have a mixed opinion, and can see both sides of the argument. You do make a valid point about the emotional scars an executioner will face as a result of carrying out the executions, and I give you credit for that... something I never had considered before.

And while we're at it let's shred those "Uncle Sam Wants You" posters. Why would we encourage people to get involved in something that will result in lifelong depression, drug and alcohol abuse, and suicide? And recruiters on campuses. Vile, I say!!
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Unfortunately, you lost me here. War is an unfortunate fact of life, we don't have any say in that. We can't expect there to never be any wars, it is unreasonable and moronic. Therefore, it is important that we be diligent in preparing for potential wars by training a military, and that involves recruiting soldiers. It's also why it is important to fund military benefits programs like the VA, and provide our soldiers with the best counseling and psychological treatment available. I would even go so far as to say, it is a good reason why we should, as a society, try to find positive attitudes about what they had to do in the field of battle, rather than turning their actions into something "unjust" and destroying their personal justifications and measures of coping and dealing with it.
 
A better solution would be a box that allowed a certain extra dollar amount to be paid in to fund abortions and only those monies went to it.

But, I don't see why that should be done on an IRS form. Where would that end? Should there be a box where you can make a contribution to an anti-abortion group too? Maybe, one for various churches? Where does that end and is it really needed?

If you want to fund abortions I am sure Planned Parenthood will accept your donations.
 
apple0154 said:
Regarding your reply to Prophet all I can say is get used to their babbling. You'll see the same thing on the "When does life end" thread.

Their talking point that humans come into existence the very moment sperm and egg join was shown to be fallacious, however, that hasn't stopped a few from continued babbling.

Their arguments are based on a house of cards. Remove one and it all comes tumbling down.
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ROFL.....it simply amazes me that an otherwise functioning human being can be so devoid of logic that he would reach this "conclusion"......nothing has come "tumbling down" because of a sixty five page argument about whether a human being attains "humanness" at the moment of conception or at the moment the cells attach to the walls of the womb.....the inarguable fact is that it's human life at the time you want to kill it....likewise, the liberals on this thread disregard the inarguable facts.....it's one of the reasons we don't consider liberals to be very intelligent.....they have problems understanding very basic and obvious facts......
 
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