The abortion issue: one solution

Taichiliberal

Taichiliberal

Shaken, not stirred!
Okay, one of the major complaints by the anti-abortion folks is that they don't want their tax dollars funding abortions.

My solution: just have an insert in the IRS form that allow filers the option of NOT funding abortion.....it can have a little calculation chart that by which they can figure out what percentage of their earnings should be exempt from taxation.

That way, the objection would totally be on moral grounds...and the debate would have a whole new angle on capitol hill and the public forum.
 
So, your "solution" is to pay off people who disagree with a tax cut so they'll shut up and let you do what you want? Bribery. It's not just for criminals any more.
 
christiefan915 said:
They aren't funding it now. See Hyde Amendment.

Why would it automatically change under this proposal?
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Zappa proposes allowing the Feds to pay for it and as an exchange, or "compromise", he'll pay bribery to those who don't want to pay for abortions in tax cuts specifically aimed at those people. Allowing you to supposedly "reject" paying for it with a tax credit. It's a silly bookkeeping gimmick that people like Ritter use to give money to Planned Parenthood even though the constitution of Colorado specifically prohibits giving money to any entity that provides abortions.
 
fuck the conservatives, I don't want teenagers arrested for pot but they are. Screw the nazi right
 
Damocles said:
So, your "solution" is to pay off people who disagree with a tax cut so they'll shut up and let you do what you want? Bribery. It's not just for criminals any more.
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:palm: As it stands now, there are various "write offs" that can be claimed on your taxes....hell, the annual "wild life donations" option is a perfect example.

And let's not forget that you have states that execute prisoners DESPITE citizens being against such...and THAT'S dealing with an individual who is a threat to the general population...yet to date I don't see the anti-abortion folk working en masse to stop state executions.

Like I said, one of the major complaints by the anti-abortion camp is that their tax dollars are used to commit what they consider murder. Well, this proposal removes that argument. Now they can STILL protest abortions, but the whole concept that the personal choice of a woman is somehow the concern of strangers who couldn't give a rat's ass about her existence otherwise would be diminished once the financial envolvment is removed.
 
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Taichiliberal said:
:palm: As it stands now, there are various "write offs" that can be claimed on your taxes....hell, the annual "wild life donations" option is a perfect example.

And let's not forget that you have states that execute prisoners DESPITE citizens being against such...and THAT'S dealing with an individual who is a threat to the general population...yet to date I don't see the anti-abortion folk working en masse to stop state executions.

Like I said, one of the major complaints by the anti-abortion camp is that their tax dollars are used to commit what they consider murder. Well, this proposal removes that argument. Now they can STILL protest abortions, but the whole concept that the personal choice of a woman is somehow the concern of strangers who couldn't give a rat's ass about her existence otherwise would be diminished once the financial envolvment is removed.
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None of this means that as a policy we should bribe people into shutting up about spending tax dollars on abortion.

Your logic is flawed.

Planned Parenthood is one of the places you can choose to give your money to on our state forms. If you select it a portion of what otherwise would be your return will go to that fund. Just like the "Wildlife Fund"... In order to get a spot on the tax form one must only fill out forms and meet certain requirements. They made them slightly more strict in the past because the list was getting a bit long....

As for those who would fight against the death penalty, you can add my name to that list. The death penalty is, IMO, bad.
 
Okay, one of the major complaints by the anti-abortion folks is that they don't want their tax dollars funding abortions....
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No, the major complaint of anti-abortion folks, is women being given the right to terminate the life of another human being without their consent, for the sake of vanity and convenience. If we can eliminate that issue, we can probably find a reasonable solution. Unfortunately, the country is full of illiterate hicks like Apple, who can't even acknowledge when human life biologically begins. Along with Liberal pinheads who are devoid of morality, and don't believe in personal consequences or responsibility.
 
I think something along the cap and trade approach might be better......

you can get a permit to kill your unborn child so long as you sign up to support two Ethiopians and a Sri Lanken for 18 years......
 
Taichiliberal said:
Pay attention: by my suggestion YOU would not be involved in the process. Others who have no problem with it would pay for it through THEIR taxes. Understand now? If not, get an adult to explain it to you.
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Pay attention: funds would be diverted from other procedures to make up for the abortion deficit, ie: individual abortions would be billed out at $10 instead of $100 and eye exams would be billed at $100 instead of $90.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
As it stands now, there are various "write offs" that can be claimed on your taxes....hell, the annual "wild life donations" option is a perfect example.

And let's not forget that you have states that execute prisoners DESPITE citizens being against such...and THAT'S dealing with an individual who is a threat to the general population...yet to date I don't see the anti-abortion folk working en masse to stop state executions.

Like I said, one of the major complaints by the anti-abortion camp is that their tax dollars are used to commit what they consider murder. Well, this proposal removes that argument. Now they can STILL protest abortions, but the whole concept that the personal choice of a woman is somehow the concern of strangers who couldn't give a rat's ass about her existence otherwise would be diminished once the financial envolvment is removed.
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Damocles said:
None of this means that as a policy we should bribe people into shutting up about spending tax dollars on abortion.

Your logic is flawed.

No, what you're doing is purposely mis-interpreting what I wrote. Since the option I propose would NOT prevent anti-abortion folk from protesting in any shape form or manner (First Amendment and all), your accusation of a "bribe" is non-applicable.

Planned Parenthood is one of the places you can choose to give your money to on our state forms. If you select it a portion of what otherwise would be your return will go to that fund. Just like the "Wildlife Fund"... In order to get a spot on the tax form one must only fill out forms and meet certain requirements. They made them slightly more strict in the past because the list was getting a bit long....

All you've done is just elaborate on what I previously explained.....you haven't logically proven your accusation of "bribery". In fact, my proposal would remove all doubt as to whether the gov't is sneaking money from your tax dollars for abortion.

As for those who would fight against the death penalty, you can add my name to that list. The death penalty is, IMO, bad.
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Good for you.....but the vast majority of anti-abortion folk are NOT publically advocating what you believe, or staging demonstrations, etc. My point is that there is an underlying hypocrisy a foot. My proposal essentially addresses and solves a oft stated complaint by anti-abortion folk. Once that is resolved, then they trumpet their other reasons....but my proposal takes away a major weapon in their arsenal.
 
Good for you.....but the vast majority of anti-abortion folk are NOT publically advocating what you believe, or staging demonstrations, etc. My point is that there is an underlying hypocrisy a foot. My proposal essentially addresses and solves a oft stated complaint by anti-abortion folk.
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No it doesn't. I don't know of ANY pro-life person who would be okay with abortion as long as taxes didn't support it. Not a single one! This is not a "complaint" espoused by pro-lifers, it is a moral outrage expressed by conservatives! Stop murdering people so you can absolve immoral people of responsibility for their actions! It's absurd what we are doing in this nation, barbaric and abhorrent! And you meander about with your ignorant musings on the tax policy! How about, GO FUCK YOURSELF, BABY KILLER!
 
Dixie said:
No, the major complaint of anti-abortion folks, is women being given the right to terminate the life of another human being without their consent, for the sake of vanity and convenience. If we can eliminate that issue, we can probably find a reasonable solution. Unfortunately, the country is full of illiterate hicks like Apple, who can't even acknowledge when human life biologically begins. Along with Liberal pinheads who are devoid of morality, and don't believe in personal consequences or responsibility.
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So according to you, no anti-abortion group or individual has EVER stated publically that they don't want their tax dollars funding abortions?

According to you, abortions are performed only for the "sake of vanity and convenience"?

Accoridng to you, anyone who is pro-choice is "devoid of morality, and don't believe in personal responsibility or consequence"?

I just want to be clear what you are EXACTLY stating before we continue.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I think something along the cap and trade approach might be better......

you can get a permit to kill your unborn child so long as you sign up to support two Ethiopians and a Sri Lanken for 18 years......
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:palm: Evidently, the idea of logically removing one talking point from the anti-abortion folk is so disturbing to you that you babble sacastically.

By the by....how many children did you personally give birth to? How many kids did you adopt? How much do you give to foster agencies, domestic and/or foreign? What's on your position on day care centers? Welfare? Health care?
 
Hey Libby if we can do this for abortion, we should be able to do this for all the other non-enumerated programs, like social security and welfare. Shit there are thousands that I'm not interested in- entire departments. If that's the case then I'm all for it!
 
Dixie said:
No it doesn't. I don't know of ANY pro-life person who would be okay with abortion as long as taxes didn't support it. Not a single one! This is not a "complaint" espoused by pro-lifers, it is a moral outrage expressed by conservatives! Stop murdering people so you can absolve immoral people of responsibility for their actions! It's absurd what we are doing in this nation, barbaric and abhorrent! And you meander about with your ignorant musings on the tax policy! How about, GO FUCK YOURSELF, BABY KILLER!
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:palm: Please read the other response to you before we continue...or don't. Your irrational, slogan riddled rantings impress no one.
 
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