BREAKING: Newly elected Louisiana GOP Rep. Luke Letlow, 41, dies of coronavirus

[ThatOwlWoman]

Hello Bull&Terrier,



Any risk which can be reduced in a justified way should be.

The difference between conservatives and liberals on this issue is that conservatives are more likely to weigh money concerns more heavily and liberals are more likely to weigh human life more heavily. I favor the liberal position. It is logical to me. If an individual is alive but has less money, that is a preferable condition to being dead, but having died with plenty of money.

Conservatives are concerned that by engaging in federal spending to help people financially displaced by shut down measures that it will run the federal debt up which will translate into higher taxes in the future. That's a real concern, but it shouldn't be for most people because most people are on such a thin budget that only the rich possess the wealth to be able to collectively reduce the debt load.

The answer is obvious. We spend what we need to now to get us through, and then later we tax the rich more. The greedy will always complain about any level of taxing, but the lifestyles of the rich are rarely impacted by aggressive taxing. It's merely their bottom line which is affected, and that should not be a big concern for the country because taxing is applied to all in a bracket, so nobody loses out compared to their peers. The poor and middle can't be taxed much more without directly affecting their lifestyles, so that should be avoided. America has the wealth to deal with this crisis. We will be fine, and we can save thousands of lives by taking the COVID precautions seriously and reducing social contact until it is safe.

I agree with all of this. I can understand and appreciate those conservatives who truly are concerned about the national debt. It's essential to keep it under control. But... from what I have seen of today's conservatives, it's not the debt that they care about at all. They are mostly concerned that someone, somewhere, is getting something that they are not. Whether that's food stamps, extended unemployment benefits, low-cost health care, relief from a student loan -- if someone else is getting it, they are furious. "We're all in this together" does not compute for them.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

In this case it does matter. He is the attending Dr. There is no indication he is a quack.

there's also no indication that covid killed him......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Even when people they know die, they still blame everyone else. The answer of blaming others is too seductive.

how does that compare to the seduction of blaming everything on Trump?......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

No, my friend died recently, last week and the cause of death was cancer. Another, died yesterday, the cause of death, a heart attack, no CoVID in either case.

if they had had covid, what would the hospital have called it?......cancer?......heart attack?......

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Happy New Year Geeko Sportivo,



OK, that's good. Funny. It's funny because, in a way, it is true. People can relate to it. Not everyone really wants to be like that but it's funny. The stuff of sitcoms.

Some people, however, simply respect others; and tend to surround themselves with others who respect them.

Thanks!

Respect is a two-way street.

My use of colorful language is not out of disrespect for others. My use of colorful language here is because of it's popularity of being the norm used here in this forum by the majority of contributors.

Your choice to not use colorful language is what may be considered the exception here- AND NOT THE RULE.

I actually respect that! Sir, I have never disrespected you in any way.

But you do seem to disrespect me for my use of colorful language here in the forum- or you wouldn't have singled me out to imply that I am being disrespectful to others here in the forum.

That's OK! I'll just continue to respect you anyway- and we'll just call it even! OK?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Geeko Sportivo,

Thanks!

Respect is a two-way street.

My use of colorful language is not out of disrespect for others. My use of colorful language here is because of it's popularity of being the norm used here in this forum by the majority of contributors.

Your choice to not use colorful language is what may be considered the exception here- AND NOT THE RULE.

I actually respect that! Sir, I have never disrespected you in any way.

But you do seem to disrespect me for my use of colorful language here in the forum- or you wouldn't have singled me out to imply that I am being disrespectful to others here in the forum.

That's OK! I'll just continue to respect you anyway- and we'll just call it even! OK?

Fair enough. I can easily agree to that. No disrespect for you was intended. Only to offer constructive criticism of the way things were said. Nothing about you! Nothing ever meant nor intended personally. It's all academic for me.

There's no colorful language on the floors of Congress, nor in a SCOTUS session, nor in the Constitution. Perhaps behind the scenes, perhaps in the White House, depending on who is serving, but nothing of that nature said publicly (on purpose anyway.) It strikes me as the best way to communicate national matters that should never become personal.

I see no reason to make national politics personal. I see that as: what the side that's losing does, to try to distract attention away from the fact that they have the losing argument.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

I agree with all of this. I can understand and appreciate those conservatives who truly are concerned about the national debt. It's essential to keep it under control. But... from what I have seen of today's conservatives, it's not the debt that they care about at all. They are mostly concerned that someone, somewhere, is getting something that they are not. Whether that's food stamps, extended unemployment benefits, low-cost health care, relief from a student loan -- if someone else is getting it, they are furious. "We're all in this together" does not compute for them.

I don't think they want any hand-outs from the government and they don't want to pay for anybody else to get them either. They just don't care about people born into cross-generational poverty. To Republicans, if somebody is born into poverty, and their parents don't know how to instill self-confidence in them, it is their own fault.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I don't think they want any hand-outs from the government and they don't want to pay for anybody else to get them either. They just don't care about people born into cross-generational poverty. To Republicans, if somebody is born into poverty, and their parents don't know how to instill self-confidence in them, it is their own fault.

The poison of individualism has destroyed their compassion, empathy, and infected them with the myth that anyone can grow up to be ___ if they just try hard enough. If you haven't grown up to be ___, it's your own fault, as you said.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

The poison of individualism has destroyed their compassion, empathy, and infected them with the myth that anyone can grow up to be ___ if they just try hard enough. If you haven't grown up to be ___, it's your own fault, as you said.

It makes no sense to believe that, when considering the big picture.

They can tell themselves this nonsense all day long but none of their arguments change the glaring fact that we have a cross-generational poverty issue in the USA which we are not effectively addressing, and it is getting worse, not better.

American can't truly be great for all until we solve this.

If we solve it, that would not only make us great, we would be awesome.

 

[Underdog]

Hello Bull&Terrier,



Any risk which can be reduced in a justified way should be.

The difference between conservatives and liberals on this issue is that conservatives are more likely to weigh money concerns more heavily and liberals are more likely to weigh human life more heavily. I favor the liberal position. It is logical to me. If an individual is alive but has less money, that is a preferable condition to being dead, but having died with plenty of money.

Conservatives are concerned that by engaging in federal spending to help people financially displaced by shut down measures that it will run the federal debt up which will translate into higher taxes in the future. That's a real concern, but it shouldn't be for most people because most people are on such a thin budget that only the rich possess the wealth to be able to collectively reduce the debt load.

The answer is obvious. We spend what we need now to get us through, and then later we tax the rich more. The greedy will always complain about any level of taxing, but the lifestyles of the rich are rarely impacted by aggressive taxing. It's merely their bottom line which is affected, and that should not be a big concern for the country because taxing is applied to all in a bracket, so nobody loses out compared to their peers. The poor and middle can't be taxed much more without directly affecting their lifestyles, so that should be avoided. America has the wealth to deal with this crisis. We will be fine, and we can save thousands of lives by taking the COVID precautions seriously and reducing social contact until it is safe.

I can't speak for conservatives but lets look at it another way. if you are under 65, and healthy you are more likely to die from a myriad of things including driving, falling down, drowning, all these have a greater chance of killing you than covid.

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_death_by_age_group_2017-508.pdf


So when you kill peoples livelihoods, hand them a measly 600 bucks but demand they pay all thier taxes, you are going to create more depression, suicides, and strife. it has already shown to lead to increase drugh and aclhohol abuse as well as increase in domestic abuse.

Given all these facts, wouldn't it be better to isolate the at risk and all of us go back to our lives taking precautions such as distancing and masks?


Don't you also find it strange, for example in NJ here, they shut down in april at 3% infection rate, we are now, after the election at 15% infection rate and yet, no further shutdowns. Seems odd to me, how about you?


The Answer is obvious, protect the at risk, open everything back up with reasonable precautions. "Taxing the rich" is not a silver bullet. I would say, perhaps stop giving tax breaks to amazon, walmarts, et al and tax them at the same rate as small businesses.

 

[Underdog]

The poison of individualism has destroyed their compassion, empathy, and infected them with the myth that anyone can grow up to be ___ if they just try hard enough. If you haven't grown up to be ___, it's your own fault, as you said.

so if you don't become a doctor, who's fault is it again?

 

[Underdog]

Thank you for admitting your stance is nothing more than Donnie turds you have spent loving hours mashing into a brainless, meaningless and dirty fingered lie


Wash your hands dude

you ok? you post some wierd shit. are you one of those tribalists who cackle at anyone who doesn't agree with you ""yer a trumpaloompa"?

you can be better than this, try harder.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

so if you don't become a doctor, who's fault is it again?

RWers tend to "think" in terms of black and white. There are multiple reasons why someone might not accomplish such a goal. I'm sure you can figure them out.

 

[Underdog]

RWers tend to "think" in terms of black and white. There are multiple reasons why someone might not accomplish such a goal. I'm sure you can figure them out.

Is it my fault?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I’m not the one who needs to wise up.

Viruses attack the body by infecting cells directly. In the case of COVID-19, the virus primarily attacks the lungs. However, it can also cause your body to produce an overactive immune response which can lead to increased inflammation throughout the body.
Myocarditis can impair the heart’s ability to pump blood and send electrical signals. Severe forms of myocarditis can lead to more serious problems like abnormal heart rhythms, heart muscle disease and heart failure.
According to one study out of the University of Frankford in Germany, more than half of patients studied who had COVID-19 were found to have ongoing cardiac inflammation. Researchers noted that more than two-thirds of the patients who participated in the study had a mild illness and recovered at home from COVID-19.
“The concern now is that even with a mild case of COVID-19, there’s a possibility that there could be inflammation and damage to your heart,” says Dr. Sharma. The

https://www.hackensackmeridianhealth.org/HealthU/2020/08/13/how-does-covid-19-affect-the-heart/

Agreed. The people in denial about the seriousness of this pandemic have long proven that they are in need of better mental health care in addition to a COVID vaccination.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Is it my fault?

No, you're just one of the idiots who sees the world in black and white. You're stupid, so it's not your fault you were born with a lower IQ.

It is your fault, however, to be taking so many steroids. Just say not to drugs...except pot. You could use some.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

you ok? you post some wierd shit. are you one of those tribalists who cackle at anyone who doesn't agree with you ""yer a trumpaloompa"?

you can be better than this, try harder.

Nice trolling, dipshit. I'm impressed you managed a sentence that was fairly coherent. Kudos!

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

This is truly terrifying. I told Mr. Owl months ago that the future is going to bring a large number of young people with heart damage/heart disease due to the virus. Looks to be true.

"In a study published in September, researchers from Ohio State University found that out of more than two dozen athletes from the university who tested positive for COVID-19, 30% had cellular heart damage and 15% showed signs of heart inflammation caused by a condition known as myocarditis.

"After mapping the hearts of 26 Ohio State University athletes using a process known as cardiac magnetic resonance (CMR), researchers found that not only 15% of students exhibited the rare heart condition but 30% showed cellular damage.

""Cardiac magnetic resonance imaging has the potential to identify a high-risk cohort for adverse outcomes and may, importantly, risk-stratify athletes for safe participation," study authors wrote. "Recent studies have raised concerns of myocardial inflammation after recovery from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), even in asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic patients.""

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/oh...athletes-have-heart-damage-linked-to-covid-19

Study:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...ign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=091120

 

[Underdog]

This is truly terrifying. I told Mr. Owl months ago that the future is going to bring a large number of young people with heart damage/heart disease due to the virus. Looks to be true.

"In a study published in September, researchers from Ohio State University found that out of more than two dozen athletes from the university who tested positive for COVID-19, 30% had cellular heart damage and 15% showed signs of heart inflammation caused by a condition known as myocarditis.

"After mapping the hearts of 26 Ohio State University athletes using a process known as cardiac magnetic resonance (CMR), researchers found that not only 15% of students exhibited the rare heart condition but 30% showed cellular damage.

""Cardiac magnetic resonance imaging has the potential to identify a high-risk cohort for adverse outcomes and may, importantly, risk-stratify athletes for safe participation," study authors wrote. "Recent studies have raised concerns of myocardial inflammation after recovery from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), even in asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic patients.""

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/oh...athletes-have-heart-damage-linked-to-covid-19

Study:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...ign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=091120

Itis, meaning inflammation, myocarditis, is a temporary inflammation of the heart, I bet this article fails to mention that it's temporary.


https://www.healthline.com/health/heart-disease/myocarditis#outlook


Also common among numerous virii,


Whats this "Rare" condition? this is media agitation looking for suckers to scare.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Itis, meaning inflammation, myocarditis, is a temporary inflammation of the heart, I bet this article fails to mention that it's temporary.


https://www.healthline.com/health/heart-disease/myocarditis#outlook


Also common among numerous virii,


Whats this "Rare" condition? this is media agitation looking for suckers to scare.

Before shooting your ignorant mouth off, why don't you try reading first? From the study itself, linked above:

"Myocarditis is a significant cause of sudden cardiac death in competitive athletes and can occur with normal ventricular function.1 Recent studies have raised concerns of myocardial inflammation after recovery from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), even in asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic patients.2 Our objective was to investigate the use of cardiac magnetic resonance (CMR) imaging in competitive athletes recovered from COVID-19 to detect myocardial inflammation that would identify high-risk athletes for return to competitive play."

Tell us again how this medical journal is the "media agitation looking for suckers to scare."

WTF is wrong with you, anyways? You used to at least attempt to be rational.