BREAKING: Newly elected Louisiana GOP Rep. Luke Letlow, 41, dies of coronavirus

ThatOwlWoman said:
That's how many "news" stories are presented. Good on you for noticing the biases and looking for other sources to get the entire story. You did do that, right? lol

I already explained how death certificates are worded. Those are the documents used when compiling statistics, not anecdotal stories or first-hand accounts from staff or family members.

You are attempting to conflate an injury with a disease process. Obviously if Grandmother falls and breaks her hip, and later dies at the hospital because she contracted pneumonia due to her immobility, her death certificate will say that her death was caused by 1) heart failure, 2) secondary to pneumonia, 3) resulting from the fractured hip. My mother had COPD the last 20 years of her life. My dad found her lifeless in bed one afternoon. Her death certificate said that she died from heart failure secondary to the COPD. Health dept. statistics for that year would have put her death in the COPD category, rather than "heart failure" which just means your heart quit working (not the same as a heart attack). Grandmother in the prior example would have her passing marked down to the pneumonia in statistical compilation.

If I develop lung cancer, receive chemotherapy, and later die of the side effects of the therapy, my death will still be attributed to lung cancer. I wouldn't have had the chemo if I didn't have the cancer, right? Mr. Letlow wouldn't have had the "heart attack" absent the viral infection.

I won't answer this question anymore. I've explained it twice now. You may continue on your merry way blaming his death on everything BUT SARS-CoV-2. Your search for accuracy needs work.
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one issue, I never said it wasn't related to covid, not but for his carelessness did he contract it.


that said, he died from complications from a procedure, the virus did not consume him and there is little evidence covid causes heart attacks. it's related, but it's not the cause.
 
Hello Bull&Terrier,

Bull&Terrier said:
Of course it is speculative but far more probable given the dataset we have thus far about who dies from corona. if he was not who he was we would never had heard of him. his death is a statistical anomaly, an outlier. at his age even infected, he was more likely to die in a car accident on the way to the hospital, but didn't and won the rarer prize of dying from a heart attack while being treated for covid.
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True, the only reason we likely heard about him was because he was an elected Republican who appeared to have flaunted the guidelines. That makes the story newsworthy. I don't think he is an outlier just because we heard about his story. I'm sure there are thousands just like him whose stories are not told.

If the standard of actual literal cause of death were applied, many of the corona deaths would be attributed to something else, but that would be misleading, because if the same standard were applied to all deaths then many statistics would be greatly affected similarly. It would be inconsistent to apply that standard only to the pandemic and not to other causes of death. Many here have pointed out that even though the actual cause of death was not specifically the virus, these individuals would still be alive if it were not for the pandemic. That's why the statistics don't always reflect the actual precise cause of death. But it doesn't change the fact that the deaths attributed to the pandemic are as accurate as possible. I am not going to play scientist and try to second guess what those professionals are doing. I don't think that exercise if of any practical use.
 
Hello Bull&Terrier,

Bull&Terrier said:
Did they do an autopsy?


know "known" underlying conditions.


most likely he had an existing undiagnosed heart issue that many of his age who have it, haven't been diagnosed yet.


fact: if you are under 60, your chances of dying from corona are less than 1%


and normally our of that 1% the death is from respiratory pneumonia. not a MI. (heart attack)


so, logically, we can conclude he more likely than not, had an undiagnosed pre-existing condition or allergy that triggered his heart attack.
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1% odds are unacceptable.

We have 330 million people in the USA.

The math is not pretty.

1% of 330 million is over 3 million people.

3,300,000 lives lost.

That is ten times what we have already, which is already too much.
 
Bull&Terrier said:
Did they do an autopsy?


know "known" underlying conditions.


most likely he had an existing undiagnosed heart issue that many of his age who have it, haven't been diagnosed yet.


fact: if you are under 60, your chances of dying from corona are less than 1%


and normally our of that 1% the death is from respiratory pneumonia. not a MI. (heart attack)


so, logically, we can conclude he more likely than not, had an undiagnosed pre-existing condition or allergy that triggered his heart attack.
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What exactly do you think this line of discussion provides your positions?


Does it prove Covid isn’t real

A Democratic hokes


Is your claim that republicans are immune to Covid


Is this part of that lizard people belief?
 
evince said:
What exactly do you think this line of discussion provides your positions?


Does it prove Covid isn’t real

A Democratic hokes


Is your claim that republicans are immune to Covid


Is this part of that lizard people belief?
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1. just accuracy. thats all nothing more nothing less.

2. Covid is very real.

3. it's not a "hoke" ;)

4. No, not even close.

5. We don't speak of the lizard people as they are clearly watching.
 
Bull&Terrier said:
1. just accuracy. thats all nothing more nothing less.

2. Covid is very real.

3. it's not a "hoke" ;)

4. No, not even close.

5. We don't speak of the lizard people as they are clearly watching.
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Thank you for admitting your stance is nothing more than Donnie turds you have spent loving hours mashing into a brainless, meaningless and dirty fingered lie


Wash your hands dude
 
evince said:
Thank you for admitting your stance is nothing more than Donnie turds you have spent loving hours mashing into a brainless, meaningless and dirty fingered lie


Wash your hands dude
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Do you dance on graves and spit on people at the same time???? ;)
 
TOP said:
Do you dance on graves and spit on people at the same time???? ;)
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Why would I dance on graves


It’s you lizard jizz brains that claim 300,000 + Americans are faking death by Covid

You can’t even dance on all those graves

It would take more time than your life has left
 
evince said:
Why would I dance on graves


It’s you lizard jizz brains that claim 300,000 + Americans are faking death by Covid

You can’t even dance on all those graves

It would take more time than your life has left
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But you do dance on graves, often....none of us do....
And you admit to spitting....who does that?
 
evince said:
Why would I dance on graves


It’s you lizard jizz brains that claim 300,000 + Americans are faking death by Covid

You can’t even dance on all those graves

It would take more time than your life has left
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She's just whoring for your attention again. Most ppl here don't reply to her cray-cray garble so she follows those who will around.
 
Hello Bull&Terrier,

Bull&Terrier said:
his risk was actually .14%


I should have said .14% not 1%.


https://covid19risktools.com:8443/riskcalculator


compare that to:

https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-mortality-risk
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Any risk which can be reduced in a justified way should be.

The difference between conservatives and liberals on this issue is that conservatives are more likely to weigh money concerns more heavily and liberals are more likely to weigh human life more heavily. I favor the liberal position. It is logical to me. If an individual is alive but has less money, that is a preferable condition to being dead, but having died with plenty of money.

Conservatives are concerned that by engaging in federal spending to help people financially displaced by shut down measures that it will run the federal debt up which will translate into higher taxes in the future. That's a real concern, but it shouldn't be for most people because most people are on such a thin budget that only the rich possess the wealth to be able to collectively reduce the debt load.

The answer is obvious. We spend what we need now to get us through, and then later we tax the rich more. The greedy will always complain about any level of taxing, but the lifestyles of the rich are rarely impacted by aggressive taxing. It's merely their bottom line which is affected, and that should not be a big concern for the country because taxing is applied to all in a bracket, so nobody loses out compared to their peers. The poor and middle can't be taxed much more without directly affecting their lifestyles, so that should be avoided. America has the wealth to deal with this crisis. We will be fine, and we can save thousands of lives by taking the COVID precautions seriously and reducing social contact until it is safe.
 
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PoliTalker said:
Hello crowonapost,



I think these trends tend to come and go. We can get to a more respectful place. It's all up to the individuals. The only way that is going to happen for more people is for mature people to demonstrate what respect looks like. When the shallow blurters get burned out on insult contests they will see the value of respect.

Of course, it's never going to turn into a place of complete manners. The very nature of JPP is to let people do what they feel like doing because it requires minimal moderation and it generates lots of clicks.

So it ultimately falls on each participant to make it what they want it to be. For me, it is fabulous. I simply block all those who show me disrespect. My experience here is completely different from one who brings it on and relishes the nasty fight. I hold out for discussions of substance. I use filters to block out all else. Sure, I do a lot of scrolling past the garbage, but that goes quick. Easy chore. Worth it, in my view. I don't spend all day here, so for the small amount of time I devote to it, I want the highest caliber of discussion. That totally works for me.

The ones who post all day make this place their life. I don't think there is enough quality discussion to provide that much volume to go all day. That almost forces those participants to deal with the slop. To each, his own.
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Hey good for you man. I respect that. Our lives, our time is valuable and you do what works for you. I get that! I really appreciate that perspective. It does minimize the dregs. Good on you!
 
Bull&Terrier said:
To be fair I’m a counter puncher, but i love good intelligent insults that are witty and banterous, that can be fun. Its the “idiot and moron” that becomes droll at best especially when the ones calling you said names are hopelessly and verifiably factually wrong.



I could do less with the bigots and thier homophobic attacks as well as attacks on my wife and family, but im a big boy so meh. I chalk it up to insecurity.



Great to meet ya!
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Hey thanks for your comments. I really don't mean to offend anyone here. Some of my best friends are Republicans, I am a Democrat, and we talk shit to each other all the time when someone pops off politically. We certainly don't pull any punches unless the grand kids or women are around, and we know to behave around them.

But if we are just sitting around and sharing a couple of Black & Tans or a nice bottle of Scotch, and it's just us men, it's every man for himself. Do we ever resolve anything by arguing, cussing, using vulgarity, NO! Not even if we acted like Deacons at the church, would we either.

We may not act like we respect each others opinions, and we probably don't, but we respect each other for standing up and being ourselves and defending our opinion- right or wrong! I am usually outnumbered by the Republican viewpoint by the mere fact that this is Texas. But we still hangout at every chance for another debate. And if someone gets really mad or upset, we know when to back-off and start talking flyfishing, guitars, motorcycles, or Football so we can start arguing about all that stuff. LOL!

I may even agree with my cohorts, but I will play the devil's advocate just to watch them boil in their shorts a little bit LOL!

"Men, they insult each other all day- but they really don't mean it. Now women? They usually compliment each other all day- AND THEY DON'T REALLY MEAN IT EITHER"! [Geeko Sportivo]
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Geeko Sportivo,



If you didn't want my take on it then don't address your comments to me.

I agree with everything you are saying except the insults. All they do is detract from good points made.
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I have a philosophy lad.

Men insult men all day long, every day of the week- WE REALLY DON'T MEAN IT! Now women, they compliment each other all day long, every day of the week, AND THEY DON'T REALLY MEAN IT EITHER!
 
Happy New Year Geeko Sportivo,

Geeko Sportivo said:
I have a philosophy lad.

Men insult men all day long, every day of the week- WE REALLY DON'T MEAN IT! Now women, they compliment each other all day long, every day of the week, AND THEY DON'T REALLY MEAN IT EITHER!
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OK, that's good. Funny. It's funny because, in a way, it is true. People can relate to it. Not everyone really wants to be like that but it's funny. The stuff of sitcoms.

Some people, however, simply respect others; and tend to surround themselves with others who respect them.
 
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