The solution for healthcare that will never be instituted

[LV426]

I repeat, Yeah right! The feds just hand over the Medicaid loot to the states, no strings attached. Naivety is your problem! You're talking out of your ass!!! The feds regulate and control everything.

Yes, the Feds hand money to the state so the state can run Medicaid in their state as they see fit. Medicaid isn't run by the Federal government you goonbat, Medicaid is run by the states with funding from the Feds.

So once again, your problem is with state insurance markets, not the feds.

Wow.

 

[LV426]

I repeat. Health care in America is top notch, it's the health insurance system that sucks ever since the feds started meddling in it.

The Feds do not meddle in state insurance markets, you goofball.

Your ignorance is showing.

The organizations that rate worldwide healthcare are leftist biased dorks!!! It's no wonder y'all leftist believe their garbage!!!!!

Right...everyone is wrong except you, even though your judgment and instincts suck.

 

[LV426]

You simply refuse to accept the difference between "HEALTHCARE" and "HEALTH INSURANCE."

You're the one conflating the two. Medicare and Medicaid are insurance plans.

Why in hell wouldn't people that believe they're getting their health insurance free and paid for them by somebody else not be thrilled by that?

Everyone on Medicare right now has likely paid into the program when they were drawing a paycheck. It's free at the point of care. The mechanism by which your provider is reimbursed is the only component we are talking about here, and you have yet to draw a connection from that mechanism to the care your doctor provides before anyone is reimbursed.

It's a part of the process you aren't involved with.

While the quality of the care may well be good at the Vet, their WAITING TIMES SUCK!!!

It depends what VA care center you are going to since they are all run differently.

And what's the wait time for someone with no insurance?

 

[LV426]

The VA is a freaking disaster of paperwork and confusion. I know folks that work there. That's why Trump signed an executive order as Commander N Chief that allows the vet overload to get treatments in private clinics and hospitals and doctors offices.

Which hasn't worked because here you are complaining about wait times literally in the sentence before this:

While the quality of the care may well be good at the Vet, their WAITING TIMES SUCK!!!

Yeesh.

 

[LV426]

Medicare and Medicaid get their health CARE at private doctor's and hospitals serving the PRIVATE MARKET PLACE!

They serve both private insurance and Medicare/Medicaid.

And most physicians prefer Medicare because they know what to expect:

Medicare is, without question, the most reliable, most predictable payer that we deal with. And for somebody like me it would be a dream to only have to deal with them. Yes, they are pretty heavily regulated. And yes, they have pretty strict guidelines for who to cover. But unlike other payers, who make life virtually impossible for smaller providers because they’re in the for-profit game (the not paying for care game), Medicare at least adheres to a clear set of rules. Other payers put up an endless set of traps against reimbursement, contracting, and other parts of the revenue life cycle that add substantial cost to services and thus increase cost to the consumer. I can say with near certainty that parties in my industry would provide services at a materially lower price and with more predictable out of pocket costs if every payer was as reliable and consistent as Medicare.

Next!

HATS WHY THEY LIKE IT!!!!! The Private market place delivers top notch health "CARE!!!!!!"

NO IT DOESN'T.

All the private insurance marketplace does is tie a profit motive to the administration of reimbursements, which causes them to restrict your choices and options, and deny you care.

 

[LV426]

Medicaid is administered by states, according to federal requirements.

And those requirements are...?

 

[Robo]

No I didn't. It takes a real brain-dead idiot to think that.

If you read my reply to your post completely you’d “honestly” know I proved to you by your own words that private insurance when allowed to negociate in a true competitive market place is the very best system.

Do you...do you think private insurance isn't already for-profit? You don't seem to have any understanding of health care or health insurance.

When did I ever even imply it wasn’t “for profit?” As I’ve explained, the problem is again the bleeping feds. BIG Insurance sends in their swarm of lobbyist to write the federal regulations and government healthcare insurance policies that will give them an advantage in the private market place and eliminate competition and fatten their “PROFITS, and sweeten the campaign coffers of their duopoly puppet’s.

OMG - The Feds do not regulate health insurance in the states, you fucking idiot.

Thank you again friend for another juvenile insult, proving your hysteria and inability to debate seriously or civilly, for lack of confidence in your own arguments.

 

[LV426]

If you read my reply to your post completely you’d “honestly” know I proved to you by your own words that private insurance when allowed to negociate in a true competitive market place is the very best system.

Your problem that what you want is in contradiction with itself; states can already regulate their insurance markets as they see fit. The system you seem to want is a federalist regulation that allows state insurance plans, regulated in different states, to be available in states where different regulation exists. So you want a federal law to overrule state-based regulations so that out-of-state insurance plans can be offered in a different state's regulated market.

You don't seem to know what the fuck you want.

 

[Robo]

You want your state government running your health care? What happens if you need medical care while you're on vacation?

What I would Like friend is for our federal government to be ejected from our healthcare insurance system because they have NO constitutional authority to be involved in it. The Constitution's amendment 10 gives that power to the states and or the people. The states and the people, not the feds have the sole constitutional right and authority to establish and regulate their citizens healthcare system. I can't imagined any state designing and instituting a system of healthcare without portability, or a state's citizenry that would accept such a system, can you?

 

[LV426]

When did I ever even imply it wasn’t “for profit?” As I’ve explained, the problem is again the bleeping feds. BIG Insurance sends in their swarm of lobbyist to write the federal regulations and government healthcare insurance policies that will give them an advantage in the private market place and eliminate competition and fatten their “PROFITS, and sweeten the campaign coffers of their duopoly puppet’s

States. Regulate. Their. Own. Insurance. Markets.

So what you're crying about here is what is already happening. The Feds have nothing to do with how insurance is regulated in your state; that's the job of the state insurance commissioner that you vote for.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and it shows.

 

[LV426]

Thank you again friend for another juvenile insult, proving your hysteria and inability to debate seriously or civilly, for lack of confidence in your own arguments.

No, what's happening is that you are digging in your heels on a self-contradictory position for the sole reason that you don't want to admit you're full of shit.

 

[Robo]

They don't like it as much as people like Medicare and Medicaid:

Why wouldn't "most people" just be thrilled half to death to believe that somebody else is paying for their health insurance?

 

[LV426]

What I would Like friend is for our federal government to be ejected from our healthcare insurance system because they have NO constitutional authority to be involved in it.

But they're not involved in it now...your elected state insurance commissioner is the one who regulates insurance in your state.

Wow.

 

[LV426]

The Constitution's amendment 10 gives that power to the states and or the people.

So here's the inherent fatal flaw in your argument: You want the states to be free to regulate insurance as they see fit, which they already do, but you want federalism to force states to accept insurance regulated by a different state, in their state.

Your position contradicts itself.

 

[Robo]

And those requirements are...?

The amount of Medicaid loot they get, how they can spend it in accordance with federal Medicaid regulations. States have to set up Medicaid institutions, to be governed by and inspected by federal Medicaid regulations and since Obamacare, "EXPANDED" medicaid federal loot taken from Medicare the unconstitutional federal system whereby recipients actually pay a minimal premium.

 

[LV426]

I can't imagined any state designing and instituting a system of healthcare without portability, or a state's citizenry that would accept such a system, can you?

Insurance is already allowed to be sold across state lines, doofus.

The reason most insurers don't is because each state regulates insurance differently, which is what you want.

So your solution is already in play. You can already buy insurance out of state if your elected state insurance commissioner allows it.

 

[LV426]

Why wouldn't "most people" just be thrilled half to death to believe that somebody else is paying for their health insurance?

They paid for Medicare. Do you understand what payroll taxes are?

 

[LV426]

The amount of Medicaid loot they get, how they can spend it in accordance with federal Medicaid regulations.

And those regulations are...?

 

[LV426]

States have to set up Medicaid institutions, to be governed by and inspected by federal Medicaid regulations and since Obamacare, "EXPANDED" medicaid federal loot taken from Medicare the unconstitutional federal system whereby recipients actually pay a minimal premium.

That's not what Medicaid expansion did, so who told you that? Someone lied to you.

 

[LV426]

States have to set up Medicaid institutions, to be governed by and inspected by federal Medicaid regulations

No. Wrong. There is no such thing as a "Medicaid provider", there are only providers who accept Medicaid.

Medicaid is a funding mechanism, that's it. The regulations you're failing to mention don't impact your health care.

You are completely wrong about everything on this thread.

since Obamacare, "EXPANDED" medicaid federal loot taken from Medicare the unconstitutional federal system whereby recipients actually pay a minimal premium.

What are you fucking talking about? It's just a steady stream of bullshit. Nothing was taken from Medicare...what changed was that Medicare ceased paying for treatment for conditions that arose from poor health care delivery. So for instance, you go in to the hospital for a gall bladder removal, and then while in recovery you develop a staph infection...pre-ACA, Medicare would pay for both the surgery and treatment of the Staph infection. Post-ACA, Medicare only pays for the surgery and it's on the provider to pay for the staph infection because Medicare holds them accountable for poor health care delivery. It's outcome-based. So nothing was stolen from Medicare to pay for Medicaid.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.