The solution for healthcare that will never be instituted

[Robo]

Yeah...you probably want what the founders wanted regarding who could or could not vote...and who could or could not own slaves.

You want to live in the 18th century...and it shows.

You're a mind reader, right Frankie? Don't worry old pal, I'll never expect you to attempt a logical or honest conversation.

 

[LV426]

Government is the most likely to regulate who your doctor must be, where you can be hospitalized and what services you may have and what your cost by taxation you’ll pay And that’s exactly what government will do and anybody that believes otherwise is naive beyond repair.

"Most likely"
"May"
"could"

These are all bad judgment predictors with absolutely no basis, that are informed solely by your bias that came from 40 years of Conservative propaganda turning your brain into mush and your mind against the institution of government.

In a single payer system, there are no provider networks, so you can see whatever doctor you want, idiot. You can't do that with private insurance right now. Private insurance = less choice.

 

[Robo]

Once again, states already regulate their own insurance markets, and insurers are free to offer insurance plans across state lines.

The reason most don't is because states regulate their insurance markets differently from each other, which is what you want, right?????

That's what a State Insurance Commissioner does, dummy.

The Feds have no hand in how an individual state regulates its insurance market.

What you want is for states to set up their own regulations, and then abide by other states' regulations in their regulated market.

Your position is cognitive dissonance.

Yeah right! The feds just hand over the Medicaid loot to the states no strings attached. Naivety is your problem!

 

[LV426]

What I actually want, but am not naive enough to believe can ever happen in America’s BIG government Duopoly Dictatorship, is simply a federal government the size and scope envisioned by our founders and mandated by our Constitution.

Jesus fucking Christ...

Own your stupid position, don't jump to non-sequiturs.

You want states to be free to regulate private insurance (WHICH THEY ALREADY DO), but you want insurance plans from other states, that are regulated differently by those states, to be available in the regulated market you wanted in your state. So you want state-based regulations, but you want federalism so that other states' regulations can play in the regulated market you wanted.

You're being stupid and contradictory.

 

[Robo]

Tax cuts do not pay for themselves.

It's apparent you have never investigated the Reagan and Kennedy tax cuts, right? Do yourself a favor and check with the Cato Institute about that.

 

[LV426]

Why would anybody buy an insurance policy for health insurance that was non-portable and unrecognized by another state.

BECAUSE EVERY STATE REGULATES INSURANCE DIFFERENTLY RIGHT NOW

Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

States are already doing what you want; they are regulating their own state insurance markets. The reason most insurance isn't portable is because states regulate insurance differently, which is what you have been arguing for, dude.

I mean, really...are you trying to be obtuse? Is this just an act? Some elaborate performance art?

 

[Robo]

You're not listening to me.

State Insurance Commissioners regulate insurance in each state; the Feds are not involved in that. You vote for an Insurance Commissioner. It's the Insurance Commissioner who manages all this, at the state level.

Yeesh.

I repeat, Yeah right! The feds just hand over the Medicaid loot to the states, no strings attached. Naivety is your problem! You're talking out of your ass!!! The feds regulate and control everything.

 

[LV426]

You suppose that you know what the states would deliver. What else do you see in your crystal ball?

Moron, states already regulate their insurance markets.

So states are already doing half of what you want.

The other half of what you want is for state insurance markets to recognize the regulations of other states offered in your state. So your position is wholly contradictory; you want state-based insurance markets, but you also want those state markets to accept insurance plans regulated differently in other states.

You're basically arguing for federalism; a uniform regulation across all states that allow each insurer to play in each state's regulated insurance market. That's federalism, dude.

 

[LV426]

As rated by who/ You?

As polled by Gallup:

Americans With Government Health Plans Most Satisfied
Americans' satisfaction with the way the healthcare system works for them varies by the type of insurance they have. Satisfaction is highest among those with veterans or military health insurance, Medicare and Medicaid, and is lower among those with employer-paid and self-paid insurance. Americans with no health insurance are least satisfied of all.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx

I know, I know...it's hard for you to reconcile your prejudices and brainwashing, but it's true. People love Medicare and hate private insurance.

 

[Robo]

You are so utterly dishonest. You re putting us in with all the countries, including dirt poor ones and dictatorships. An honest evaluation would be among industrial countries. We are at the bottom and have been for a long time. https://www.newsweek.com/united-states-health-care-rated-worst-637114 Healthcare is our problem. We are bad and spend double.

I repeat. Health care in America is top notch, it's the health insurance system that sucks ever since the feds started meddling in it. The organizations that rate worldwide healthcare are leftist biased dorks!!! It's no wonder y'all leftist believe their garbage!!!!!

 

[LV426]

Actually Frankie, most Americans have health insurance through their employer and they like that.

They don't like it as much as people like Medicare and Medicaid:

Americans' satisfaction with the way the healthcare system works for them varies by the type of insurance they have. Satisfaction is highest among those with veterans or military health insurance, Medicare and Medicaid, and is lower among those with employer-paid and self-paid insurance. Americans with no health insurance are least satisfied of all.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx

eople that only have Medicare and Medicaid have no other choices but to like it otherwise they'd have nothing. BIG government meddling unconstitutionally has seen to that!

You keep leaning on this bullshit argument, but your position is for federalism...you want there to be a uniform regulation across all states that allows insurers to play in every state. It's basically the too-big-to-fail model.

 

[Ross Dolan]

You're a mind reader, right Frankie? Don't worry old pal, I'll never expect you to attempt a logical or honest conversation.

No problemo, Robo. I'll never expect you to recognize a logical or honest comment...if you tripped over it.

 

[tff]

The solution to good healthcare that will never be instituted because the human race is made up of morons, is simply to abide by the 10th amendment to our Constitution.

“The powers not delegated to the United Sates by the Constitution, or prohibited by it to the States are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

The federal government as designed by our founders incorporated the idea that the best way to avoid corrupted government was to empower the government closest to the people where they, (the people) could better know what was going on in government, i.e. State and local government and thereby the folks could be more informed about their politicians and vote the bastards out who were truly the bastards and vote the uncorrupted folks into government offices

The founders understood that the voters in state A had no control over who the voters in state B voted into a federal government, thus representatives from several states were more immune to the actual will of all of the people and thereby what the folks in one state accepted and promoted as moral and economic standards might well be rejected by folks in other states, thus we got the 10th amendment i.e. the founders didn’t believe that a federal government instituting federal “fits all” laws was a good idea. That’s why the federal government was designed by the Constitution to leave the majority of law making powers to the states, (as regulated by the individual rights and immunities guaranteed by the national Constitution), and only empower the federal government to do what the states and the folks couldn’t do for themselves, (see Article one section eight of our Constitution.

Fixing the nation’s healthcare system requires that a corrupt inept and incompetent federal government get the hell out of the healthcare business and leave the money and the power to design individual state healthcare system with the states. That’s exactly what our founders intended, a laboratory of states learning one from the other how to deliver to the people the best healthcare and thereby even promoting at the same time the right and freedom of the folks to vote with their feet and move to the states whereby they were most politically agreeable with, not just for healthcare, but for every moral and economic established system promoted and financed and delivered by a particular state.

You want your state government running your health care? What happens if you need medical care while you're on vacation?

 

[LV426]

You just don't understand the corrupt duopoly Washington government do you?

No, this is your bias coming through...informed by 40 years of Conservative propaganda that has turned your brain into mush and your mind against the institution of government.

Do you...do you think there is no such thing as fraud in the private sector? If not, then why did all those Wall Street banks pay settlements in the billions of dollars following the Financial Collapse?

 

[Ross Dolan]

BECAUSE EVERY STATE REGULATES INSURANCE DIFFERENTLY RIGHT NOW

Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

States are already doing what you want; they are regulating their own state insurance markets. The reason most insurance isn't portable is because states regulate insurance differently, which is what you have been arguing for, dude.

I mean, really...are you trying to be obtuse? Is this just an act? Some elaborate performance art?

Amazing...isn't it, LV.

And this is the guy claiming others cannot argue logically, intelligently or reasonably.

In any case, I doubt it is an "act."

He just does not GET it!

 

[LV426]

You're naive enough to believe that BIG Health Insurance corporations with their lobbying racket would ever allow their puppet politicians in Washington to pass a Single Payer system they didn't have their grubby paws in, huh?

So notice how your argument has migrated...it used to be opposition to single payer because you didn't understand what health insurance companies do, and now it's an argument of "well, they won't pass it anyway".

Not with that attitude, they won't!

That's why we need to elect politicians who support single payer, instead of those who don't because they want to perpetuate the system they have now.

No Democrat that supports single payer gets donations from health insurance lobbyists.

Duh.

 

[LV426]

They'll pay the bills for a "PROFIT" and be reimbursed by a BIG Racketeering Government taxpayer ripoff.

????

Do you understand what a single payer system entails, operationally? There is no space for private insurers to operate, so not sure what is leading you to this dumb conclusion, other than the bias that has turned your puny little brain into mush.

 

[LV426]

Yeah right! The feds just hand over the Medicaid loot to the states no strings attached. Naivety is your problem!

Be responsible for your stupid argument before making another.

You can't have it both ways here; you can't say you want states to regulate their insurance markets as they see fit, but also must accept insurance from other states that is regulated differently.

Also, you can enroll in portable plans already, but the reason most don't is because insurance is regulated differently from state-to-state.

That has nothing to do with Medicaid, which is also state-run, doofus.

Wow. The dumb is strong with this one.

 

[Robo]

As polled by Gallup:

Americans With Government Health Plans Most Satisfied
Americans' satisfaction with the way the healthcare system works for them varies by the type of insurance they have. Satisfaction is highest among those with veterans or military health insurance, Medicare and Medicaid, and is lower among those with employer-paid and self-paid insurance. Americans with no health insurance are least satisfied of all.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx

I know, I know...it's hard for you to reconcile your prejudices and brainwashing, but it's true. People love Medicare and hate private insurance.

You simply refuse to accept the difference between "HEALTHCARE" and "HEALTH INSURANCE." Why in hell wouldn't people that believe they're getting their health insurance free and paid for them by somebody else not be thrilled by that? Medicare/Medicaid!!!!!!! While the quality of the care may well be good at the Vet, their WAITING TIMES SUCK!!! The VA is a freaking disaster of paperwork and confusion. I know folks that work there. That's why Trump signed an executive order as Commander N Chief that allows the vet overload to get treatments in private clinics and hospitals and doctors offices. Medicare and Medicaid get their health CARE at private doctor's and hospitals serving the PRIVATE MARKET PLACE!!!!!!!!!! THATS WHY THEY LIKE IT!!!!! The Private market place delivers top notch health "CARE!!!!!!"

 

[LV426]

It's apparent you have never investigated the Reagan and Kennedy tax cuts, right? Do yourself a favor and check with the Cato Institute about that.

The Reagan Tax Cuts exploded the deficit and tripled the debt.

The Kennedy tax cuts were to 70%, so if you want a 70% rate, I'm down.