Alabama Has The Worst Poverty In The Developed World

You cited NYC for some reason? So MA has areas with raw sewage running into the streets, and does nothing about it?

An area that has raw sewage running into the street at least contains it to that area. How about the real sewage problems? That affect many, many people and the environment. Here, let me show you how high tax states are no better. These are just two examples. Plenty others out there if you want to actually google them.

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-springfield-sewage-controversyrecovered-fri-apr-14-120911-2017--20170414-story.html

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2014/01/an-upstate-plan-to-keep-raw-sewage-out-of-hudson-010478
 
Why do you keep repeating this? It is not true. You can click and sort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_poverty_rate

fwiw, here's the UC Davis paper on the Supplemental Poverty Measure and why it was developed. The current/old measure was created I believe in the '50's and leaves much to be desired. Cost of living being the biggest one as you can't live in the real world and not have that be a factor.



The Supplemental Poverty Measure: A Better Measure for Poverty in America?


https://poverty.ucdavis.edu/policy-brief/supplemental-poverty-measure-better-measure-poverty-america
 
working on it. At least NATO countries are kicking in more since Trump made a big deal of it.

Not that it helps our worldwide presence costs,
but any less money sucked into duplicative Cold War 2 spending is my metric of cutting military spending.

* just how many tank battalions do we really need in Poland? *


I know facts aren't your strong suit but it's actually Obama that made a big deal out of it you're just sucking for Trump's pandering. You're a naive little boy
 
Poor Americans would lose billions under Senate GOP tax bill
http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/27/news/economy/senate-gop-tax-bill-poor/index.html

GOP tax proposal would gut affordable housing, state officials say
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/11/...d-gut-affordable-housing-state-officials-say/

Republicans here whining about 'liberal policies' and 'affordable housing' is a joke.

There is no mystery about what republicans think about the poor, and poor states and counties under their control don't get a pass.
 
Hasn't got a damn thing to do with the fact that republicans control the poorest states and counties in America.

90% of the poorest states, 97% of the poorest counties.

97_percent_poor_counties_meme.jpg

where is their data from? Is that list adjusted for cost of living?
 
Poor Americans would lose billions under Senate GOP tax bill
http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/27/news/economy/senate-gop-tax-bill-poor/index.html

GOP tax proposal would gut affordable housing, state officials say
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/11/...d-gut-affordable-housing-state-officials-say/

Republicans here whining about 'liberal policies' and 'affordable housing' is a joke.

There is no mystery about what republicans think about the poor, and poor states and counties under their control don't get a pass.

It's not a joke BAC. Most housing policies are made at the local level with some state input. There are reasons why California and Texas have such differing home prices and it's because of laws in the state.

It's hard reading that mercurynews article because anyone who lives here and works in the industry knows it is a sham. If the tax breaks were so great we'd have affordable housing in the state already. We don't. We don't because of the laws we pass and Nimbyism. The tax breaks being referred to are such a minute percentage of housing in the state it is almost negligible.
 
where is their data from? Is that list adjusted for cost of living?

We went through this yesterday but the chart is about counties. So rural counties stand out because they don't have the adjacent wealth that urban poverty areas do. And no it doesn't adjust for cost of living. And it's states that voted for Romney in 2012 so it says nothing about state or local level leadership.

From a partisan perspective it makes for an excellent meme but when you dig into it doesn't stand well on its own.
 
It's not a joke BAC. Most housing policies are made at the local level with some state input. There are reasons why California and Texas have such differing home prices and it's because of laws in the state.

It's hard reading that mercurynews article because anyone who lives here and works in the industry knows it is a sham. If the tax breaks were so great we'd have affordable housing in the state already. We don't. We don't because of the laws we pass and Nimbyism. The tax breaks being referred to are such a minute percentage of housing in the state it is almost negligible.

Whatever dude.
 
Whatever dude.

Ok. I'm open to listening if you want to share where you believe i'm wrong. But like I said, living here for 30 years and working in the real estate industry this is what we discuss. You are definitely free to not have to hear it but this is reality.
 
The easiest answer is here without my having to dredge through data from multiple sources, including census.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...e-97-nations-100-poorest-counties-red-states/

"Our bigger question concerns whether it’s significant that a lot of poor counties are located in red states. There’s reason for at least a bit of skepticism.

For starters, the list is dominated by rural areas. Generally speaking, rural areas have a lower cost of living, so the small income you make in a poor, rural Texas county is going to go further than it would if you lived in a poor, urban area like Detroit or Camden, N.J. This raises questions about how comparatively disadvantaged poor Americans are in rural and urban areas.

Also, rural areas are areas where Republicans tend to do well electorally. By contrast, impoverished areas of big cities are big enough population-wise to be balanced by more affluent neighborhoods, and these poor urban areas are often (though not always) in blue states.

It’s also worth pointing out that many of the counties on the list are located in Appalachia, particularly in such states as Kentucky, West Virginia, Mississippi and Georgia. That’s a region that has suffered economically for generations -- long predating the time when Republicans took over from Democrats in most elected offices.

In Appalachia, "it’s clear there’s a regional problem, born of isolation, geographic and political; exploitation, of timber and coal; and poor education," said Al Cross, director of the Institute for Rural Journalism and Community Issues at the University of Kentucky.

Finally, there’s an eccentricity that shaped both of the top-100 lists. Each is dominated by three states: Texas, Georgia and Kentucky. What ties together these three states? They have a lot of counties. In fact, these three states rank first, second and third on the list of states that have the most counties. Texas has 254, Georgia 159 and Kentucky 120.

This means that these three states have lots of rural, small-population counties, so they take up a disproportionate share of the spots on these lists. On each list, these three states collectively account for more than 40 percent of the counties listed.

Importantly, each of these three states are red states. If some of the bigger blue states had been sliced into as many counties as Texas, Georgia and Kentucky were, some of those blue-state counties might have been poor and rural, and that could have changed the complexion of the list. As it is, blue states tend to have smaller numbers of counties. New York has 62, California has 57, Washington state has 39, Oregon has 36, New Jersey has 21 and Massachusetts has just 14."

exactly as I suspected... not adjusted for cost of living.
 
Ok. I'm open to listening if you want to share where you believe i'm wrong. But like I said, living here for 30 years and working in the real estate industry this is what we discuss. You are definitely free to not have to hear it but this is reality.

No thanks. Why would I want to do that knowing that you won't answer real questions .. even when you introduce them into conversation.

I've been down this road too many times with you. No thanks.
 
No thanks. Why would I want to do that knowing that you won't answer real questions .. even when you introduce them into conversation.

I've been down this road too many times with you. No thanks.

Re-read what I responded to BAC. Owl was speaking about deplorables. She was calling Republicans racist. I posted a counter response from The Root about racism in the Democratic Party. I was not the one who brought race into the conversation. If me responding to her in showing Democratic racism bothers you or is offensive then fair enough. But please be accurate and don't lie. I responded, I did not introduce.
 
"Our bigger question concerns whether it’s significant that a lot of poor counties are located in red states. There’s reason for at least a bit of skepticism.

For starters, the list is dominated by rural areas. Generally speaking, rural areas have a lower cost of living, so the small income you make in a poor, rural Texas county is going to go further than it would if you lived in a poor, urban area like Detroit or Camden, N.J. This raises questions about how comparatively disadvantaged poor Americans are in rural and urban areas.

Also, rural areas are areas where Republicans tend to do well electorally. By contrast, impoverished areas of big cities are big enough population-wise to be balanced by more affluent neighborhoods, and these poor urban areas are often (though not always) in blue states.

It’s also worth pointing out that many of the counties on the list are located in Appalachia, particularly in such states as Kentucky, West Virginia, Mississippi and Georgia. That’s a region that has suffered economically for generations -- long predating the time when Republicans took over from Democrats in most elected offices.

In Appalachia, "it’s clear there’s a regional problem, born of isolation, geographic and political; exploitation, of timber and coal; and poor education," said Al Cross, director of the Institute for Rural Journalism and Community Issues at the University of Kentucky.

Finally, there’s an eccentricity that shaped both of the top-100 lists. Each is dominated by three states: Texas, Georgia and Kentucky. What ties together these three states? They have a lot of counties. In fact, these three states rank first, second and third on the list of states that have the most counties. Texas has 254, Georgia 159 and Kentucky 120.

This means that these three states have lots of rural, small-population counties, so they take up a disproportionate share of the spots on these lists. On each list, these three states collectively account for more than 40 percent of the counties listed.

Importantly, each of these three states are red states. If some of the bigger blue states had been sliced into as many counties as Texas, Georgia and Kentucky were, some of those blue-state counties might have been poor and rural, and that could have changed the complexion of the list. As it is, blue states tend to have smaller numbers of counties. New York has 62, California has 57, Washington state has 39, Oregon has 36, New Jersey has 21 and Massachusetts has just 14."

exactly as I suspected... not adjusted for cost of living.

Rural counties are identified in the study and accounted for as having lower income and opportunity.

The bigger question, in my opinion, is what are republicans doing about the poverty of states and counties they control. What are they doing to help the residents?

Are you of the opinion that the plutocrat only tax plan they're trying to pass is going to benefit those residents?

Are you of the opinion that attacking healthcare and affordable housing benefits the poor in red states?

Can you explain what polices that republicans champion addresses poverty and the poor in poor ass states like Alabama?
 
Re-read what I responded to BAC. Owl was speaking about deplorables. She was calling Republicans racist. I posted a counter response from The Root about racism in the Democratic Party. I was not the one who brought race into the conversation. If me responding to her in showing Democratic racism bothers you or is offensive then fair enough. But please be accurate and don't lie. I responded, I did not introduce.

Regardless of whether you introduced it or not, you responded with supposed racism within the Democratic Party. My question to you was simple .. and the truthful answer backed up exactly what Owl was saying. You wouldn't answer because you knew what the answer would be. There is decidedly no question that the Republican Party and a great many, if not most, republicans are racist indeed. How do you dispute that when you sit on this board full of racists .. everyone of them a republican?

This isn't the first time I've had to try to force a truthful answer out of you .. and that's a problem.

Either we debate honestly, or let's not debate at all.
 
Rural counties are identified in the study and accounted for as having lower income and opportunity.

The bigger question, in my opinion, is what are republicans doing about the poverty of states and counties they control. What are they doing to help the residents?

Are you of the opinion that the plutocrat only tax plan they're trying to pass is going to benefit those residents?

Are you of the opinion that attacking healthcare and affordable housing benefits the poor in red states?

Can you explain what polices that republicans champion addresses poverty and the poor in poor ass states like Alabama?

1) the housing is already affordable in those red states
2) Yes, the tax plan should help most of the lower and middle income families. The exception is those that already pay no income taxes.
3) attacking healthcare? Health care used to be affordable. That was before the left started trying to control it. It used to be that people could get affordable coverage... but now, especially after obamacare, they cannot.
 
Regardless of whether you introduced it or not, you responded with supposed racism within the Democratic Party. My question to you was simple .. and the truthful answer backed up exactly what Owl was saying. You wouldn't answer because you knew what the answer would be. There is decidedly no question that the Republican Party and a great many, if not most, republicans are racist indeed. How do you dispute that when you sit on this board full of racists .. everyone of them a republican?

This isn't the first time I've had to try to force a truthful answer out of you .. and that's a problem.

Either we debate honestly, or let's not debate at all.

Please don't say after what you just pulled. You lost your shit yesterday because you said I started talking about race. Now you are moving the goalpost to say it doesn't matter if I started it or not because you found out I didn't start it.
 
1) the housing is already affordable in those red states
2) Yes, the tax plan should help most of the lower and middle income families. The exception is those that already pay no income taxes.
3) attacking healthcare? Health care used to be affordable. That was before the left started trying to control it. It used to be that people could get affordable coverage... but now, especially after obamacare, they cannot.

I'll address all 3 .. but let's start with healthcare. When was healthcare 'affordable' before Obamacare when in fact, healthcare was THE biggest cause for bankruptcy?

How Obamacare Helped Slash Personal Bankruptcy by 50%

As legislators and the executive branch renew their efforts to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act this week, they might want to keep in mind a little-known financial consequence of the ACA: Since its adoption, far fewer Americans have taken the extreme step of filing for personal bankruptcy.

Filings have dropped about 50%, from 1,536,799 in 2010 to 770,846 in 2016 (see chart, below). Those years also represent the time frame when the ACA took effect. Although courts never ask people to declare why they’re filing, many bankruptcy and legal experts agree that medical bills had been a leading cause of personal bankruptcy before public healthcare coverage expanded under the ACA. Unlike other causes of debt, medical bills are often unexpected, involuntary, and large.
http://time.com/money/4765443/obamacare-bankruptcy-decline/

Affordable for who?
 
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