OUR PRISONS ARE OVERCROWDED!

Mott the Hoople said:
nice try at sarcasm Wacko. Maybe if you were better at science you'd understand there is a whole lot of truth to that comment.

As long as people continue to believe that chemical substance addiction is a crime to be punished as opposed to the well documented scientific fact that it is a disease that requires treatment we will continue with this vicious, inhumane and extraordinarily expensive vicious cycle and utter waste that is the war on drugs.

The scientific fact, whether you accept it or not, is our scientifically educated health care professionals are vastly more qualified to manage this problem than lawyers, cops, judges, politicians or our criminal justice system. Yet people in power continue to deny this scientific fact for fear they will be accused of being weak on crime and thus the cycle of stupidity continues.
Click to expand...

You think Desh was trying to say that? You must be day drinking if you do and I want to join you!
 
10 REASONS TO OPPOSE "3 STRIKES, YOU'RE OUT"

Getting rid of this archaic law would also help with prison overcrowding?

https://www.aclu.org/other/10-reasons-oppose-3-strikes-youre-out
college2011eng3strikeslawpoliticalcartoon4.jpg
 
Damocles said:
Once you realize that incentivizing the imprisonment of people in the "land of the free" is morally wrong, there really is nothing left to argue.

I haven't blamed the system, I simply and directly (as conservatives often do) look at the result over the emotive arguments. It is always fun to go emotional and talk about how everybody in prison "deserves" it, but the reality is, only liberals ignore human nature to a level where they become purposefully ignorant of reality and the direct result of the monetary incentive provided (welfare queen example). Giving people monetary incentive to continue incarceration leads down a bad path.
Click to expand...

^Stupid on steroids.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
nice try at sarcasm Wacko. Maybe if you were better at science you'd understand there is a whole lot of truth to that comment.

As long as people continue to believe that chemical substance addiction is a crime to be punished as opposed to the well documented scientific fact that it is a disease that requires treatment we will continue with this vicious, inhumane and extraordinarily expensive vicious cycle and utter waste that is the war on drugs.

The scientific fact, whether you accept it or not, is our scientifically educated health care professionals are vastly more qualified to manage this problem than lawyers, cops, judges, politicians or our criminal justice system. Yet people in power continue to deny this scientific fact for fear they will be accused of being weak on crime and thus the cycle of stupidity continues.
Click to expand...

Does this mean that you want all drugs made legal, even Krokodil

Krokodil Information

Krokodil is a fairly new drug that has appeared in Russia since 2002. It started showing up in Siberia and has spread throughout the country since then. While several drugs are quickly and harshly addictive and physically damaging, krokodil sets a new standard for fast destruction of mind, spirit and body. In 2013 reports of its use began cropping up in the U.S.

The medical name for the drug is desomorphine. It is made at home by acquiring codeine, sold over the counter for headaches, and cooking it with paint thinner, gasoline, hydrochloric acid, iodine and the red phosphorous from matchbox strike pads. The resulting liquid is injected into a vein. The high from this drug lasts 90 minutes to two hours, and it takes about a half-hour to make the drug. So a krokodil addict does little other than get the ingredients and cook up the drug.

Russia has a severe problem with heroin addiction, but when a heroin addict can no longer afford that drug, he can make up krokodil which has a stronger kick and costs about a tenth the price. But while the life expectancy of a Moscow heroin addict is four to seven years, the life expectancy of a krokodil addict is just a year or two.

At one meeting of drug enforcement officials, two regional governors reported that krokodil accounts for about half of all addictions and drug-related deaths in their regions. And in some other areas, krokodil has nearly replaced opiates as the drug of choice.

It is estimated that somewhere between a few hundred thousand and a million people are injecting this deadly drug. Between 2009 and 2011, the amount of krokodil seized by law enforcement increased 23-fold. In just the first three months of 2011, 65 million doses were seized.

Why is it Called Krokodil?

Krokodil gets its name from the fact that the caustic drug causes an addict’s skin to become green, scaly and bumpy like a crocodile’s. If the drug misses a vein and is injected into flesh, that flesh will develop abscesses. It is common for addicts to develop gangrene and require amputations. The flesh on some body parts affected by krokodil injections will rot off completely, leaving bare bone.

Withdrawal is savage, much worse than heroin. Heroin can cause sickness and pain for up to ten days but withdrawal from krokodil can result in a month of unbearable pain. Extremely strong tranquilizers are used during withdrawal so the addict does not pass out from the pain. Doctors dealing with addicts say that this is the strongest level of addiction and the hardest to cure. If a person does manage to get clean from krokodil, they may be left with permanent damage like a speech impediment, vacant gaze and erratic movements.

Or are you a hypocrite and only want CERTAIN drugs made legal?
 
Damocles said:
Once you realize that incentivizing the imprisonment of people in the "land of the free" is morally wrong, there really is nothing left to argue.

I haven't blamed the system, I simply and directly (as conservatives often do) look at the result over the emotive arguments. It is always fun to go emotional and talk about how everybody in prison "deserves" it, but the reality is, only liberals ignore human nature to a level where they become purposefully ignorant of reality and the direct result of the monetary incentive provided (welfare queen example). Giving people monetary incentive to continue incarceration leads down a bad path.
Click to expand...

that's completely inaccurate, especially in the light of conservatives who support the drug war and it's equally evil law, civil asset forfeiture. policing for profit is just as bad, if not worse, than prison for profit.
 
Chlorate said:
Not really. If you rack-up three strikes, then you obviously can't keep yourself out of prison.
Click to expand...

Maybe kenneth thinks the rules of baseball should be changed to where a batter stays at the plate until he either gets a hit or gets thrown out.

Seems to me it would make more sense for those getting the three strikes to quit committing the crimes if they don't want to go to jail.
 
Chlorate said:
In the early days of baseball, there was no strike rule for foul balls. That would be problematic, nowadays.
Click to expand...

Even today it still doesn't cause a batter to be out.

Still doesn't change that the criminals subject to the three strikes rule wouldn't be subjected to it if they didn't commit a MULTIPLE crimes. It's called a THREE strike rule for a reason.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
yes, because there are so many clearly written laws for ANYONE to never violate anything....

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2014/1...you-could-be-committing-three-felonies-a-day/
Click to expand...

You would be hard-pressed to commit three misdemeanours in a day. Most of the lawbreaking that people accidentally commit are infractions that don't even constitute a misdemeanor. Just because there are a lot of laws on the books does not mean people will be in a position to violate them. We are a nation of laws.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top