Obamacare Lite is out!

Norah said:
What do you mean that was the easy part? It wasn't repealed or even really replaced. The individual mandate was removed but in its place they put a large penalty on a person's premium if they don't have insurance over a certain amount of time. That's not really getting rid of the mandate it's just changing how the penalty is enforced isn't it? They didn't change the competing across state lines part since he says that in the next round, and they still have the tax credits which is just another form of entitlement/subsidies. What's changed? If by easy you mean just keeping obamacare and changing the paint color then absolutely.
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he's an attorney; they love to word smith things. Not to mention nothing has even been signed yet.
 
Jarod said:
The Republicans released their plan to amend Obamacare, I've been reviewing it.

Its not as good as Obamacare Classic, but not terrible. Its clearly a lot better than what we had pre-Obamacare.

Its got the expected tax giveaways to the Rich and all but the bones of Obamacare are still intact. Lets see what gets passed.
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I missed the part where they explain how premiums will go down?
 
Norah said:
I also think that if you consider yourself a conservative or even a republican then you can't really support Obamacare lite. You either believe that the federal government should be involved in healthcare or you don't. Just because Trump creates it does not make it ok in my opinion. The Republican Party has control of all branches of government and voted to repeal Obamacare when Obama was still president. There's really no excuse for that same repeal vote to not be embraced now that it can actually pass. The problem is that there are people in congress that call themselves small government constitutional conservatives in public but behind closed doors are anything but.
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Why is it so hard for you to understand that you can't just take away healthcare access from millions of people, solely for a political win? If memory serves, you're still on your parents' insurance? I guess that has something to do with it.
 
Norah said:
I'm hoping more people join with Rand Paul and others, but yes I am sure there will be many republicans in congress that will embrace it just because it came from Trump despite their principles.
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Why don't they just offer a public option to anyone who wants to purchase Medicare coverage?
 
Althea said:
Why is it so hard for you to understand that you can't just take away healthcare access from millions of people, solely for a political win? If memory serves, you're still on your parents' insurance? I guess that has something to do with it.
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She's doesn't want a political win she wants what she feels is constitutional and follows her principles.
 
cawacko said:
Once people get a gov't program in place, especially one of this size, it is almost impossible to remove it. People may say repeal Obamacare but if they lose coverage how many will say 'that's cool'?

The Republicans never should have been so far out of power that this monstrosity was able to pass. Republicans in Congress know they can't repeal this thing yet they keep saying it to voters creating unreasonable expectations.
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Why don't they just admit that for at least the first 5 years or so, healthcare is going to be expensive until we become a healthier society? Govt. funding is a necessity no matter what your plan is. The removal of govt. guarantees by House Republicans brought us to this point. Just admit you killed it on purpose, re fund it, and put your name on it.
 
cawacko said:
People recognize the damage it has done, especially to our economy. But when gov't gives you things it's hard to take them away. Democrats know this and play to it.
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There's absolutely no credible evidence to back this claim. Until they admit that House Republicans caused more than a dozen insurance companies to go under, they can't begin to discuss how to repair a law that they broke.
 
Norah said:
I personally think looking at porn is morally wrong but if you want to look at it you can. I don't believe it's the governments job to take on that issue.
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They don't, unless you're in favor of child exploitation.
 
Jarod said:
The Republicans released their plan to amend Obamacare, I've been reviewing it.

Its not as good as Obamacare Classic, but not terrible. Its clearly a lot better than what we had pre-Obamacare.

Its got the expected tax giveaways to the Rich and all but the bones of Obamacare are still intact. Lets see what gets passed.
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Another lie. Obama Care will be repealed.....and what was released is just the first part of the new laws coming down the pike....all this one did was make sure the States still had the capacity to provide medicade to those who truly qualify for the healthcare after Obama Care gutted the system and made a Medicare Insurance Card a JOKE. A promise made during the campaign.....the one's Obama Care put on Medicade and called it Obama care will still be qualified for insurance if they can demonstrate a means tested need. That 20 million? Well....its not really 20 million its just over 14 million....and 11.8 of them All were qualified for Medicare under the law before Obama care....but sad to say, Medicare was made into a running joke that was just about worthless as it was rejected by most health care providers under Obama Care. You got a card....but could not find treatment...and the treatment you could find was poor at best...and greatly underfunded.

What? You are not jumping for joy with those who actually can't afford healtcare will still have healthcare? In essence all thats suggesting being accomplished is retroactively going back to the old medicare system BEFORE OC.

Do you know who first introduced Medicade? Richard M. Nixon.....for non-retirees (under 65) who could not afford healthcare due to poverty?
 
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Althea said:
Why is it so hard for you to understand that you can't just take away healthcare access from millions of people, solely for a political win? If memory serves, you're still on your parents' insurance? I guess that has something to do with it.
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The access would improve in my opinion if insurance companies could compete across state lines. My resistance to universal healthcare isn't about politics its about following the rules, so following the constitution. If a new amendment were passed authorizing the federal government to provide such a thing, as intended by the founders, then i'd be more accepting of the idea.
 
Without a republican designed mandate in Obamacare the only people who will buy insurance will be those who are sick ...
Premiums will skyrocket 10X what it did last year.
 
Teflon Don said:
This is actually worse than Obamacare. It puts a stamp of approval on some of the worst aspects of Obamacare

1) taking money from others to pay for someone elses healthcare
2) the pre-existing conditions clause. It is a bullshit clause and leads to adverse selection
3) the whole notion of keeping kids on a parents insurance until 26. What a sad commentary on our society that 26 year olds can't be considered out on their own. Pathetic

Anything short of complete repeal will be an abdication of the GOP mandate
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This is the Trump mandate.
 
Milagro said:
Wasn't meant as one, I assure you.

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Oh, well then I won't say thank you. My main point of view centers on individual freedom and a dependence on self, not government. It's how I was raised and it's what I firmly believe in.
 
Norah said:
Oh, well then I won't say thank you. My main point of view centers on individual freedom and a dependence on self, not government. It's how I was raised and it's what I firmly believe in.
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Which roughly translates as, I am alright Jack you can just go rot for all I care. I am sure that in the fullness of time you will marry another fascist and raise a whole brood of mini fascists.

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Norah said:
The access would improve in my opinion if insurance companies could compete across state lines. My resistance to universal healthcare isn't about politics its about following the rules, so following the constitution. If a new amendment were passed authorizing the federal government to provide such a thing, as intended by the founders, then i'd be more accepting of the idea.
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Screw the Constitution, or at least your interpretation of it anyway.

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Pocahontas said:
This is the Trump mandate.
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Everybody who works and earns above the threshold pays National Insurance, this provides for the NHS and the state pension. It is taken out at source by your employer. The self employed also pay by a different mechanism.

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Milagro said:
Which roughly translates as, I am alright Jack you can just go rot for all I care. I am sure that in the fullness of time you will marry another fascist and raise a whole brood of mini fascists.

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I'm not sure why you think that about me based on my opinion on our constitution. Look life is not fair and I'm realistic enough and honest enough to accept that fact. We are all entitled to equal opportunity thanks to our constitution but not equal outcome. We are all responsible for our own success, our own choices, our own health, our own happiness and the pursuit of that happiness even if we never fully reach it. We should never be jealous or resentful of someone else's successes, someone else's health, someone else's correct choices, or someone else's happiness. I personally believe that we are doing people a disservice by reinforcing the notion that they aren't capable of their own success, health, choices, or happiness. That being said we have a constitution that was created to describe what our government can do, not what they can't do. If we as Americans through our elected representatives pass an amendment to the constitution allowing OUR federal government OUR authority to enact a public healthcare system then that I would support that effort. Until then though the 10th amendment puts the onus on the states.
 
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