Dems hit 1st night out of the park

Thing1 said:
I keep hearing that I've touted myself as some kind of neutral observer.

I'm a progressive at heart. When I hear good progressive talk, I love it. If you did NOT think that Booker, Michelle and Sanders were outstanding last night, I don't know what to tell you. You might have a partisan issue yourself.
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you've been on here criticizing all the unethical, immoral, and illegal crap from clinton, but now that the DNC kicks off, you're swallowing all the leftist jargon as the best koolaid on the planet........

what do you think I should be thinking? I heard shit from the right, i'm hearing shit from the left. but you're right, that's obviously being partisan.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you've been on here criticizing all the unethical, immoral, and illegal crap from clinton, but now that the DNC kicks off, you're swallowing all the leftist jargon as the best koolaid on the planet........

what do you think I should be thinking? I heard shit from the right, i'm hearing shit from the left. but you're right, that's obviously being partisan.
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I like leftist ideals, for the most part. I believe in progressive philosophy.

Brains are pretty amazing things. With mine, I'm able to separate that from how I feel about Hillary herself. Crazy, right?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you've been on here criticizing all the unethical, immoral, and illegal crap from clinton, but now that the DNC kicks off, you're swallowing all the leftist jargon as the best koolaid on the planet........

what do you think I should be thinking? I heard shit from the right, i'm hearing shit from the left. but you're right, that's obviously being partisan.
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And where's the outrage over referring to the Hispanic vote as "taco bowls"?
 
Thing1 said:
What was really striking was the # of supporters who were crying while he was speaking.

When that many people are that passionate, it can really effect change. I think what Bernie did this election will reverberate for decades.
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I wouldn't make too much of it. a lot of Bernie is a progressive laundry list -which may or may not make it to legislation.
But the political revolution will never happen. Trump is an echo of it -and that's fine for what he is.

Clinton is old fashioned machine politics - acquisition of power by any and all means possible, and then once in power
answering to the oligarchs, special interests -and gross political power plays.
I mean that's who she is -and that's the template Obama has set wit his "pen and a phone", which she laps up.

we're on the road for more gridlock/sameness
 
Thing1 said:
I know some Bernie supporters. Honestly, they remind me of how I was in my 20's. I love that idealism in many ways, and it's kind of a bummer that I've lost that over the years.

But some of them were really rude and stupid, no doubt. I heard the chants during Booker's speech, and I just shook my head. There was even a "BLM" chant, which was mystifying at that time.

And they interviewed one young Sanders supporter afterward, who wasn't inclined more toward Hillary even with Sanders' endorsement. She was complaining that they buried him in the late-night slot by putting him at 10:30.
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Well the media IMO was doing "nutpicking". I mean, you would have thought there were no Hillary supporters in that crowd last night, and with polls showing 90% of Bernie voters are now supporting Hillary, they couldn't find one of them either? That was a joke.

As to that girl, it's just another example of how ill informed these fanatics, and probably all fanatics, are. Bernie Sanders actually demanded that slot. He was originally slated to speak before Warren. He felt that was not respectful enough of his accomplishments. Once again, he was given what he wanted as the Hillary campaign continues to bend over backwards for this guy, and once again, his most fanatical supporters spit in her face for it. I do know it's a very small minority being given prominence by our media that loves these silly stories. So I try not to fall for the bait and get angry. Sometimes it's hard. But this isn't about me and what I think of these fools, it's about keeping Trump out of the White House. So instead of bitching (much) I will make calls in swing states.
 
anatta said:
I wouldn't make too much of it. a lot of Bernie is a progressive laundry list -which may or may not make it to legislation.
But the political revolution will never happen. Trump is an echo of it -and that's fine for what he is.

Clinton is old fashioned machine politics - acquisition of power by any and all means possible, and then once in power
answering to the oligarchs, special interests -and gross political power plays.
I mean that's who she is -and that's the template Obama has set wit his "pen and a phone", which she laps up.

we're on the road for more gridlock/sameness
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Socialist bullshit like Bernie supports should never make it to the proposal stage.
 
Jarod said:
Its good for the convention to tell a story, not just be a cheerleading festival.

The Republicans did it with the opposing Cruz speech which added some drama, and now the Democrats are doing it.

They start with a divided convention and an "open" question, which will end with unity.

"Will they come together?" is the type of question that will keep viewers interested and more invested in the outcome. I don't know if the parties planned this for their conventions, but if they didn't they should have.
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ahh so its a good thing you hear booing when they mention clintons name in the DNC. Gotcha.

Hey you never know they might have planned it. Remember Hillary hired DWS one day after she was fired as chair. Maybe they planned that to piss of the sanders people
 
Darla said:
Of course with Bill you never know. There's an even chance he will overhear a couple of those bernie or busters chanting some stupid shit, interrupt himself, and start a fight with them. LOL He is a crap shoot these days, but in his day, there was only one who could match him IMO, and that was Mario Cuomo. Anyway, I am betting on the Bill who rocked the 2012 convention showing up tonight.
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Naaa....Bill will be fine. Hillary will probably be standing off stage holding a beg assed glass ash tray to remind him of what will happen if he screws up.
 
Thing1 said:
I know what you mean, and that is sort of the "new Bill" - and you know there will be a few Sanders supporters who might try to goad him.

But he knows the stakes for Hillary. I'd bet that he rocks it, too.
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Oh I"m sure he'll do a phenomenal job of talking. It's getting him to shut up that's hard! LOL
 
Thing1 said:
People are afraid of getting on Trump's "enemies" list.
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One could ask Vince Foster how afraid he was of getting on the Clinton's enemies list. We don't know how afraid he was but be do know what getting on that list means.
 
CFM said:
Bernie has done a complete turnaround with his endorsement of Clinton. I'm curious as to what Hillary could have done in his eyes in less than 3 months for him to now say someone that wasn't qualified now is. The lie to which I refer has yet to be determined. Is it he really thought she was qualified 3 months ago and was lying to try and win something that was so rigged he never could or is he lying now to be a good little Democrat? Either way, one can't be unqualified for the highest office in the land and suddenly be qualified 3 months later.
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Trump would never get away with such an obvious self-contradiction lol.

But it's standard fare politics any more.
 
Well a little history lesson - in 1992 Jerry Brown refused to endorse Bill Clinton and his dead enders booed at the convention too. Don't forget the Democratic party has always had its crackpots, the Sarandon contingent who would rather vote for Hugo Chavez (and I am dead serious and there are pics to prove it) than nearly any Democrat. I do believe they are mentally ill, but they are also extremely privileged, they are white, nearly every single one of them is white, able bodied, and so inoculated from the worst of a Trump presidency.

And here is the thing okay? They never vote Democrat. The idea that these 3rd party fanatics that Bernie brought into our tent and allowed to piss inside of it instead of pissing in from outside of it, are going to affect the outcome is ludicrous because none of them ever voted Dem in the first place. Why should Susan Sarandon be at the Democratic convention? She's not a democrat, when has she ever voted Democrat? She won't vote for Hillary, she didn't vote for Obama, she didn't vote for Gore. What is her ass doing inside my tent? See that is what I would like to know.

The lauded Millennials will vote for Hillary. The dead enders are the old Chavez crew for the most part. Sure they'll pick up a few newbies, but that won't make a difference. 90 percent of Bernie voters are already telling pollsters they will vote for Hillary. That's the story. But it's not one you'll hear much about.
 
J Craft said:
"White men with no college degree". As if your average blue collar worker is a piece of shit to be dismissed. No free ride or care for whitey- nope, just condescending derision. But hey whitey don't be angry about how our elitist ass treats you, or we will brand you as racist.

This from a criminal supporting leftist, who cares not that Hillary is THE STANDARD bearer of everything the left pretends to hate.
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Why shouldn't we? We've seen first hand what your "Government based on faith and ignorance as a virtue" achieves. You can't lead and you can't solve problems but you can hate and you can make a lot of noise. Which means you're annoying and not productive. Why should we listen to you when you say nothing worth listening too?
 
Althea said:
I don't think he should shut up. I think he should stump for her from now until November. He never wanted, nor expected to win the nomination. He was surprised by the millions who supported his campaign, and the extraordinary amount of money he raised.

That money allowed him to continue his campaign well into this year...something he never dreamed would be possible.

He has a large following....90% of whom will vote for Hillary. He had a following of typical 3rd party voters, and he'll never get them to vote Hillary.

But I think Hillary needs to keep in mind that millions of people might vote for her, but they'll be very interested in seeing her push for many of Bernie's issues.

At least those that make sense....'free' college notwithstanding.
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Whether anyone likes it or not Bernie succeeded in starting a significant political movement that is by no means dead.
 
tsuke said:
knocking it out of the park for dems apparently means having their candidate booed by half the convention :)
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And good humor for you is Trump making fun of a disabled guy.

The only people who didn't think last night was pretty great for Democrats are extreme partisans & Trump supporters. I didn't even see one story on the boos this morning (oh, I know - the media isn't everything; what "you" think is so much more vital to the narrative).
 
Darla said:
Well a little history lesson - in 1992 Jerry Brown refused to endorse Bill Clinton and his dead enders booed at the convention too. Don't forget the Democratic party has always had its crackpots, the Sarandon contingent who would rather vote for Hugo Chavez (and I am dead serious and there are pics to prove it) than nearly any Democrat. I do believe they are mentally ill, but they are also extremely privileged, they are white, nearly every single one of them is white, able bodied, and so inoculated from the worst of a Trump presidency.

And here is the thing okay? They never vote Democrat. The idea that these 3rd party fanatics that Bernie brought into our tent and allowed to piss inside of it instead of pissing in from outside of it, are going to affect the outcome is ludicrous because none of them ever voted Dem in the first place. Why should Susan Sarandon be at the Democratic convention? She's not a democrat, when has she ever voted Democrat? She won't vote for Hillary, she didn't vote for Obama, she didn't vote for Gore. What is her ass doing inside my tent? See that is what I would like to know.

The lauded Millennials will vote for Hillary. The dead enders are the old Chavez crew for the most part. Sure they'll pick up a few newbies, but that won't make a difference. 90 percent of Bernie voters are already telling pollsters they will vote for Hillary. That's the story. But it's not one you'll hear much about.
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so despite the booing its still a knock it out of the ballpark success because half the delegates to the convention arent democrats anyway and dont vote dem. Is that right? :)
 
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