Dems hit 1st night out of the park

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start the cheerleading early and keep it going strong..........good thing you're not a partisan participant and like to think for yourself.

I keep hearing that I've touted myself as some kind of neutral observer.

I'm a progressive at heart. When I hear good progressive talk, I love it. If you did NOT think that Booker, Michelle and Sanders were outstanding last night, I don't know what to tell you. You might have a partisan issue yourself.

 

[Althea]

I did figure and came up with these. 1 in every 3 1/2 blacks is on food stamps while only in 1 every 13 - 14 whites is. You want to look at raw data and misrepresent what it actually says. While whites do account for the largest percentage of users, whites also account for 5 1/2 times the population of blacks in society.

Approximately 27% of blacks (11 million out of 41 million) are on food stamps. There are approximately 17 million whites on the food stamp roles. What you apparently don't get is that to get that 17 million, it had to come from over 200 million possibilities. Whites using food stamps is 154% the number of blacks yet the population difference if 550% greater. Learn proportions. For what you say to be valid, there would have to be 70 million whites on food stamps or only 3 million blacks.

Nice try.

White people aren't the ones that have to have government supported programs

Actually...yes, yes they do.

 

[Jarod]

Its good for the convention to tell a story, not just be a cheerleading festival.

The Republicans did it with the opposing Cruz speech which added some drama, and now the Democrats are doing it.

They start with a divided convention and an "open" question, which will end with unity.

"Will they come together?" is the type of question that will keep viewers interested and more invested in the outcome. I don't know if the parties planned this for their conventions, but if they didn't they should have.

 

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You mean the most talented playboy of the day and the one that had he not be black wouldn't have stood a chance in hell of winning? Strange how you lefties consider such things as talent.

What a lame retort. Even conservatives acknowledge that Obama is one of the best speakers of his generation. And Bill Clinton always fires up the convention.

You can pick up your marbles and sit in a corner and not grant the obvious, since you won't give Democrats an inch on anything, but that won't change how it's perceived in the country.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

That will depend on how Clinton does in her first term.

easy.....she plans how to get elected next time.....

 

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What a lame retort. Even conservatives acknowledge that Obama is one of the best speakers of his generation. And Bill Clinton always fires up the convention.

You can pick up your marbles and sit in a corner and not grant the obvious, since you won't give Democrats an inch on anything, but that won't change how it's perceived in the country.

Of course with Bill you never know. There's an even chance he will overhear a couple of those bernie or busters chanting some stupid shit, interrupt himself, and start a fight with them. LOL He is a crap shoot these days, but in his day, there was only one who could match him IMO, and that was Mario Cuomo. Anyway, I am betting on the Bill who rocked the 2012 convention showing up tonight.

 

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Of course with Bill you never know. There's an even chance he will overhear a couple of those bernie or busters chanting some stupid shit, interrupt himself, and start a fight with them. LOL He is a crap shoot these days, but in his day, there was only one who could match him IMO, and that was Mario Cuomo. Anyway, I am betting on the Bill who rocked the 2012 convention showing up tonight.

I know what you mean, and that is sort of the "new Bill" - and you know there will be a few Sanders supporters who might try to goad him.

But he knows the stakes for Hillary. I'd bet that he rocks it, too.

 

[J Craft]

"White men with no college degree". As if your average blue collar worker is a piece of shit to be dismissed. No free ride or care for whitey- nope, just condescending derision. But hey whitey don't be angry about how our elitist ass treats you, or we will brand you as racist.

This from a criminal supporting leftist, who cares not that Hillary is THE STANDARD bearer of everything the left pretends to hate.

 

[Althea]

Well IMO Bernie should STFD and STFU, but I'm not a fan and haven't been since I first saw through him. And that happened when his campaign hacked the DNC, stole Hillary's data, and then sued the DNC for catching them. And it continued from there. But that's me.

I don't think he should shut up. I think he should stump for her from now until November. He never wanted, nor expected to win the nomination. He was surprised by the millions who supported his campaign, and the extraordinary amount of money he raised.

That money allowed him to continue his campaign well into this year...something he never dreamed would be possible.

He has a large following....90% of whom will vote for Hillary. He had a following of typical 3rd party voters, and he'll never get them to vote Hillary.

But I think Hillary needs to keep in mind that millions of people might vote for her, but they'll be very interested in seeing her push for many of Bernie's issues.

At least those that make sense....'free' college notwithstanding.

 

[anatta]

What Bernie accomplished in this campaign is crazy. I remember when he started out & was speaking to 20 people; I thought he'd be out of the race pretty quickly.

You're right about the platform. He made a huge impact on that, and in moving Hillary more left.

And what an icon for the progressive movement now. There are twentysomethings who were turned onto politics by Sanders, and who will be political leaders and activists for years to come.

true. politics is about more then sliming the other side ,like some endless Ghostbuster movie.

At it's best it's a call to our greater good, organizing along what we say are sociological goals done thru law/govt.

Bobby Kennedy was my role model -putting it all out there to stop that evil war knowing it could very well cost his life.
"No greater love hath a man then to lay down his life for his country" ( Bobby)

Kids need some idealism

 

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true. politics is about more then sliming the other side ,like some endless Ghostbuster movie.

At it's best it's a call to our greater good, organizing along what we say are sociological goals done thru law/govt.

Bobby Kennedy was my role model -putting it all out there to stop that evil war knowing it could very well cost his life.
"No greater love hath a man then to lay down his life for his country" ( Bobby)

Kids need some idealism

What was really striking was the # of supporters who were crying while he was speaking.

When that many people are that passionate, it can really effect change. I think what Bernie did this election will reverberate for decades.

 

[Althea]

Apparently those you call children understand that Bernie is a lying piece of shit and do so better than the adults that justify Bernie now supporting someone he said 3 months ago wasn't qualified. It's sad that those you call children know better than those that support the "V"

No. Those I call children are children who would be voting for the first time. They were naive enough to think that someone who calls himself a Socialist, and calls for killing big banks could ever be elected POTUS. They're too young to understand that Bernie never wanted to be POTUS.

They're too young to understand that just because they sent him $27, doesn't guarantee that their candidate will get the nomination.


As such, they're no longer interested in what's at stake in this country. They'll go back to college, and run up their parents' credit card balances.

Hey..at least they took an interest in politics. That's a plus for Bernie.

 

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I don't think he should shut up. I think he should stump for her from now until November. He never wanted, nor expected to win the nomination. He was surprised by the millions who supported his campaign, and the extraordinary amount of money he raised.

That money allowed him to continue his campaign well into this year...something he never dreamed would be possible.

He has a large following....90% of whom will vote for Hillary. He had a following of typical 3rd party voters, and he'll never get them to vote Hillary.

But I think Hillary needs to keep in mind that millions of people might vote for her, but they'll be very interested in seeing her push for many of Bernie's issues.

At least those that make sense....'free' college notwithstanding.

Well I feel a bit resentful of this. I'm a Hillary voter, like millions of other primary voters. I don't want her pursuing Bernie's issues, if I did, I would have voted for him. He's way too left for me. I am pro fair trade, I am not for free college (except for community college or trade school), etc. I at one time would have supported his health care plan, but I now view it as unrealistic. I mean there is a lot of stuff. Why do I have to be erased? I don't want to be erased.

It's fine he should campaign for her, that's fine. It will help him build his own political capital if he does so successfully. But I tire of the "he moved her to the left" meme. I was there in the 90's when she was a dangerous radical lefty who had to be stopped. Sure she moved right in the intervening years, but her liberal positions IMO are hers and she comes by them honestly. And don't forget she moved him to the left on guns.

 

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Well I feel a bit resentful of this. I'm a Hillary voter, like millions of other primary voters. I don't want her pursuing Bernie's issues, if I did, I would have voted for him. He's way too left for me. I am pro fair trade, I am not for free college (except for community college or trade school), etc. I at one time would have supported his health care plan, but I now view it as unrealistic. I mean there is a lot of stuff. Why do I have to be erased? I don't want to be erased.

It's fine he should campaign for her, that's fine. It will help him build his own political capital if he does so successfully. But I tire of the "he moved her to the left" meme. I was there in the 90's when she was a dangerous radical lefty who had to be stopped. Sure she moved right in the intervening years, but her liberal positions IMO are hers and she comes by them honestly. And don't forget she moved him to the left on guns.

Also I feel she moved him to the left on race. I reject the old white marxist class view. I strongly reject it. Class matters, but so does race and gender. They matter a lot. And man was Hillary fluent on those.

 

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What was really striking was the # of supporters who were crying while he was speaking.

When that many people are that passionate, it can really effect change. I think what Bernie did this election will reverberate for decades.

I guess I am cynical (and I will genuflect to Cory Booker here and beg forgiveness, because you know he's right, cynicism is no good). But what can I say - they looked mentally ill to me.

And another great divide. All white people who sat on their hands after being told to shut the f up while FLOTUS was speaking, they refused to stand, while all around them black women stood and cried themselves at her speech. A moving beautiful speech which spoke directly to them.

Instead they tape their mouths shut and sob while some old white guy who has the same speech every single time, gives it again. Sorry, I don't get it. The bern escaped me.

 

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No. Those I call children are children who would be voting for the first time. They were naive enough to think that someone who calls himself a Socialist, and calls for killing big banks could ever be elected POTUS. They're too young to understand that Bernie never wanted to be POTUS.

They're too young to understand that just because they sent him $27, doesn't guarantee that their candidate will get the nomination.


As such, they're no longer interested in what's at stake in this country. They'll go back to college, and run up their parents' credit card balances.

Hey..at least they took an interest in politics. That's a plus for Bernie.

And 15 to 20 years from now they will gleefully vote to cut my Social Security. I saw it in their faces and heard it in their over privileged voices every time they spoke. They want me to pick up the bill for their college, and like many young selfish ideologues, they will age, and having gone to great schools on my dime, will be successful, and start to complain about their taxes, and then you know, well, everyone will have to "have some skin in the game".

I saw this as clearly as I know I will eventually die. I rejected them out of hand. I reject them out of hand.

 

[CFM]

No. Those I call children are children who would be voting for the first time. They were naive enough to think that someone who calls himself a Socialist, and calls for killing big banks could ever be elected POTUS. They're too young to understand that Bernie never wanted to be POTUS.

They're too young to understand that just because they sent him $27, doesn't guarantee that their candidate will get the nomination.


As such, they're no longer interested in what's at stake in this country. They'll go back to college, and run up their parents' credit card balances.

Hey..at least they took an interest in politics. That's a plus for Bernie.

Many Bernie Sanders supporters aren't children voting for the first time. Apparently those that supported him were stupid enough to believe what he wanted to do for free can never be free. Seems they're smart enough to know that Bernie sold them out.

 

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I guess I am cynical (and I will genuflect to Cory Booker here and beg forgiveness, because you know he's right, cynicism is no good). But what can I say - they looked mentally ill to me.

And another great divide. All white people who sat on their hands after being told to shut the f up while FLOTUS was speaking, they refused to stand, while all around them black women stood and cried themselves at her speech. A moving beautiful speech which spoke directly to them.

Instead they tape their mouths shut and sob while some old white guy who has the same speech every single time, gives it again. Sorry, I don't get it. The bern escaped me.

I know some Bernie supporters. Honestly, they remind me of how I was in my 20's. I love that idealism in many ways, and it's kind of a bummer that I've lost that over the years.

But some of them were really rude and stupid, no doubt. I heard the chants during Booker's speech, and I just shook my head. There was even a "BLM" chant, which was mystifying at that time.

And they interviewed one young Sanders supporter afterward, who wasn't inclined more toward Hillary even with Sanders' endorsement. She was complaining that they buried him in the late-night slot by putting him at 10:30.

 

[CFM]

I guess I am cynical (and I will genuflect to Cory Booker here and beg forgiveness, because you know he's right, cynicism is no good). But what can I say - they looked mentally ill to me.

And another great divide. All white people who sat on their hands after being told to shut the f up while FLOTUS was speaking, they refused to stand, while all around them black women stood and cried themselves at her speech. A moving beautiful speech which spoke directly to them.

Instead they tape their mouths shut and sob while some old white guy who has the same speech every single time, gives it again. Sorry, I don't get it. The bern escaped me.

Why should they stand for a woman who said she was finally proud of her country only after a black was elected President. They see her for the racist she is.

 

[CFM]

Also I feel she moved him to the left on race. I reject the old white marxist class view. I strongly reject it. Class matters, but so does race and gender. They matter a lot. And man was Hillary fluent on those.

Apparently race and gender are the only things that matter to Democrats. They consider them qualifications when they aren't.