JESUS IS NOT GOD DEBATE

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wiseones2cents

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Instead of hijacking the other guy's thread. Lets start a new one!

Sure there are about 3-5 verses that HINT He is GOD, but there are about 100 that clearly say He is not. The idiots justify these contradictions by saying Jesus is 100% man 100% GOD. ROTFLOL! Guess what? That's 200% and is impossible.lol

So lets bring up the 105+ versus.lol

The Bible seems to suggest the will of Jesus and GOD are two SEPARATE WILLS!

Luke 22:42-44 saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."

Joh 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
 
Jarod said:
Jesus is God in as much as all of creation is a part of God.
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Then you are saying is that Jesus is part of GOD as is all of creation? That doesn't mean that Jesus is GOD.

On a side note. The Ancestors were given credit for building their civilizations(creator of all things). Heck even Solomon was giving control by god(more like a warlord) of all living things.(Isn't that what Jesus said)?
 
wiseones2cents said:
Instead of hijacking the other guy's thread. Lets start a new one!

Sure there are about 3-5 verses that HINT He is GOD, but there are about 100 that clearly say He is not. The idiots justify these contradictions by saying Jesus is 100% man 100% GOD. ROTFLOL! Guess what? That's 200% and is impossible.lol

So lets bring up the 105+ versus.lol

The Bible seems to suggest the will of Jesus and GOD are two SEPARATE WILLS!

Luke 22:42-44 saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."

Joh 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
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are you trying to prove that he's not God or merely trying to prove that incarnation resulted in a separate 'person' of the Trinity?....your verses are relevant to the latter, but not the first.....

does that leave you with only 103?.....

I will give you a counter....
John 8:58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Jesus violated the prohibition against using the words "I am" which to the Hebrews was tantamount to claiming to being God.....they sought to stone him for saying he was God......
 
The idiots justify these contradictions by saying Jesus is 100% man 100% GOD. ROTFLOL! Guess what? That's 200% and is impossible.lol
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were you adding?......I see your mistake then, you should be multiplying 1 * 1......
 
Thing1 said:
It's even documented that the church in the 4th century "decided" to deify him. They voted on it (I think it was close, too).
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are you referring to the decision to declare as heretics those who denied it?.......they didn't deify him, they acknowledged the fact of his divinity......
 
Thing1 said:
It's even documented that the church in the 4th century "decided" to deify him. They voted on it (I think it was close, too).
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The Council of Nicaea reaffirmed the doctrine of the trinity and made it the official doctrine of the church. It was largely intended as a strike against heresies such as Aryanism (which is not Unitarian, and believes that Jesus is God, but sort of assigns him a lower position than God in the ranking, and so isn't a classical trinatarian theology). The Council of Nicaea did not make up the Trinity.
 
The Apostles all believed that Christ is God as well as man. I suppose the signature event, prior to the Resurrection, was the Transfiguration. As to the full nature of Christ, that obviously continued to be debated for some time, although not by any of the Apostles and their successors. Interestingly enough, the Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible, but can only be discerned. The Church has always believed in it, and so it remains one of those "unbiblical" items of faith that protestants hold because they were 1.5 millenia late in breaking off, and thus have had to accept things the Church instituted, such as the canonical Bible (minus 7 OT books).
 
PostmodernProphet said:
are you trying to prove that he's not God or merely trying to prove that incarnation resulted in a separate 'person' of the Trinity?....your verses are relevant to the latter, but not the first.....

does that leave you with only 103?.....

I will give you a counter....
John 8:58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Jesus violated the prohibition against using the words "I am" which to the Hebrews was tantamount to claiming to being God.....they sought to stone him for saying he was God......
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How could separate entities of the same person have different wills. Sorry but that bullshit is only for the naïve followers.

This "I AM" thing has been blown out of proportion! It just means He existed(somehow) before Abraham. He never claimed to be GOD, just the Son of GOD. The angels also existed before Abraham. Are they GOD too?

The verse I posted seems to suggest He's from heaven, but a subordinate to GOD. He may very well be an Angel. Some say He was the Spirit of Adam.

Can you explain this verse? The firstborn of the dead?

Revelations 1:5-6 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--

6and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father--to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

How about this one. First born of all creation? Sounds like Jesus was CREATED!

Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
 
Tyrion the Imp said:
The Council of Nicaea reaffirmed the doctrine of the trinity and made it the official doctrine of the church. It was largely intended as a strike against heresies such as Aryanism (which is not Unitarian, and believes that Jesus is God, but sort of assigns him a lower position than God in the ranking, and so isn't a classical trinatarian theology). The Council of Nicaea did not make up the Trinity.
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Doesn't mean the council of Nicaea was correct. It just means Constantine sided with the Trinitarians and oppressed the Arians. That certainly did not spell the end to Arianism. One of the other Emperors believed in Arianism. Many of the early Church leaders were Arianism.

Therefore in conclusion, the only reason the trinity doctrine became official is because it was backed by the Emperor AND the fact that Arians were persecuted and Arian books were burned. That's not true Christianity, that is dictatorship. You had to believe what they told you believe or there would be sever consequences.
 
Damocles said:
Which verses state he is not God? I think you may be misunderstanding them.
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Really? These sound pretty straight forward. You'd have to try REALLY hard to make them say otherwise.

JOHN 14:28 You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
 
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