Education and degrees?

[Truth Detector]

one gets "educated" merely by going through the educational process of earning a degree.

I can’t disagree with that; but Jarod would.

Originally Posted by Jarod
One can attain a degree without having been educated.

The point I think that Jarod was trying to make was that people can get degrees and still not be very WELL educated.

What is it about reading comprehension you have such amazing problems with? I don’t see any ambiguity in his statement:

Originally Posted by Jarod
One can attain a degree without having been educated.

Now you can fabricate your own version if that makes you feel warm and fuzzy, but I think the stupidity of his post is painfully obvious.

TD seems to be the poster boy for this sort of experience.

As opposed to you being the poster boy for stupid?

Are all leftists this incredibly stupid and obtuse?

You’re almost as brain dead as Jarod; but at least even a dullard like you understand that one cannot have a degree without being educated.

 

[maineman]

I can’t disagree with that; but Jarod would.

Originally Posted by Jarod
One can attain a degree without having been educated.



What is it about reading comprehension you have such amazing problems with? I don’t see any ambiguity in his statement:

Originally Posted by Jarod
One can attain a degree without having been educated.

Now you can fabricate your own version if that makes you feel warm and fuzzy, but I think the stupidity of his post is painfully obvious.



As opposed to you being the poster boy for stupid?

Are all leftists this incredibly stupid and obtuse?

You’re almost as brain dead as Jarod; but at least even a dullard like you understand that one cannot have a degree without being educated.

agreed. If you did go to Cal State as you claim, you are certainly educated.... not very WELL educated in my opinion, but a degree is indeed a sign of receiving some "education".

 

[Truth Detector]

Athletes need a 2.0 to be eligible is my understanding and that's a C average. If you follow college football, especially in the South, there are numerous examples of athletes who have tutors write their papers for them etc. you even have professors who will give passing grades to non deserving athletes because they are fans.

That may be; but some higher institutions will nt graduate anyone with less than a "B". The requirements just to play sports in Division I and II are quite exhaustive and to argue, as the dunce Jarod has, that one can get a College Degree is...well quite stupid and ignorant.

DIVISION I

If you enroll in a Division I college and want to participate in athletics or receive an athletics scholarship during your first year, you must
•Graduate from High School.
•Complete these 16 Core Courses in high school: ◦4 years of English. years of mathematics (Algebra I or higher). years of additional courses (from any area above, language or nondoctrinal religion/ philosophy).
◦3 years of mathematics (Algebra I or higher).
◦2 years of natural/physical science (1 year of lab if offered by high school).
◦1 year of additional English, mathematics or natural/physical science.
◦2 years of social science.
◦4 years of additional courses (from any area above, foreign language or nondoctrinal religion/ philosophy).

•Earn a minimum required grade-point average in your core courses; and
•Earn a combined SAT or ACT sum score that matches your core course grade-point average and test score sliding scale (The higher your GPA, the lower your minimum SAT or ACT score can be. For example, a student with a 2.0 GPA must score at least a 1010 on his SAT or an 86 on his ACT. However, a student with a 3.0 GPA is afforded a minimum of a 620 on his SAT or a 52 on his ACT. For more information, visit the NCAA's reference sheet.)
•Complete all necessary information with the NCAA Clearinghouse and college.

You will be a nonqualifier if you did not graduate from high school, or, if you graduated and are missing both the core-course grade-point average or minimum number of core courses and the required ACT or SAT scores. As a nonqualifier, you:
•Cannot practice or compete for your college or university during your first year of college
•Cannot receive an athletics scholarship during your first year of college, although you may receive need-based financial aid; and
•Can play four seasons in your sport if you maintain your eligibility from year to year.


DIVISION II

If you enroll in a Division II college and want to participate in athletics or receive an athletics scholarship during your first year, you must:
•Graduate from High School.
•Complete these 14 core courses in high school: ◦3 years of English.
◦2 years of mathematics (Algebra I or higher).
◦2 years of natural/physical science (1 year of lab if offered by high school).
◦2 years of additional English, mathematics or natural/physical science.
◦2 years of social science.
◦3 years of extra core courses (from any category above, or foreign language, nondoctrinal religion or philosophy);

•Earn a 2.000 grade-point average or better in your core courses and earn a combined SAT score of 820 OR an ACT sum score of 68. (In Division II, there is no sliding scale.)
•Complete all necessary information with the NCAA Clearinghouse and college.

You will be a qualifier if you meet the academic requirements listed above. As a qualifier, you:
•Can practice or compete for your college or university during your first year of college
•Can receive an athletics scholarship during your first year of college
•Can play four seasons in your sport if you maintain your eligibility from year to year.

You will be a partial qualifier if you do not meet all of the academic requirements listed above, but you have graduated from high school and meet one of the following
•The combined SAT score of 820 or ACT sum score of 68, or
•Completion of the 14 core courses with a 2.000 core - course grade-point average.

As a partial qualifier, you:
•Can practice with your team at its home facility during your first year of college
•Can receive an athletics scholarship during your first year of college
•Cannot compete during your first year of college; and
•Can play four seasons in your sport if you maintain your eligibility from year to year.

 

[Truth Detector]

Athletes need a 2.0 to be eligible is my understanding and that's a C average. If you follow college football, especially in the South, there are numerous examples of athletes who have tutors write their papers for them etc. you even have professors who will give passing grades to non deserving athletes because they are fans.

A few examples:

Stanford:

Grades

In every program, one-third of the total units must be taken for a letter grade. The only exception to this is the Joint Degree with the GSB – in this program students must take 27 of the required 35 Education units for a letter grade (only 8 Education units may be taken credit/no credit). All students must also maintain a minimum 3.0 grade point average. For more detailed information on grading procedures, refer to the Stanford Bulletin. Before enrolling in an independent study, students should discuss the grading basis with the supervising faculty member. In some cases, where independent study credit is offered on both a letter and credit/no-credit basis, faculty may prefer one method over another. Please discuss this with the supervising faculty member prior to the University's change of grading basis deadline.

Cal Poly:

•A student shall maintain a grade point average of 3.0 (grade of B on a scale where A = 4.0), or better, in all courses in the formal program of study for the degree. A course in which no letter grade is assigned shall not be used in computing the grade point average.

 

[Truth Detector]

agreed. If you did go to Cal State as you claim, you are certainly educated.... not very WELL educated in my opinion, but a degree is indeed a sign of receiving some "education".

I did go to Cal State Fullerton and graduated in a class of 5,000 from the business school with honors. Why would I need to lie about that? If I am going to lie, I would say Stanford or Harvard.

I am well educated because I worked my way through college paying my own way; I wanted to do well and I wanted to learn.

My grade in Calculus, Statistics, English and core courses were straight "A's". Two others, including myself, were not required to take the final exam in Calculus because we had such high grades going into the exam; nonetheless we ALL took the exam and got "A's".

You're opinion of my education is less than worthless.

Where did you earn your degree?

 

[The Dude]

Athletes need a 2.0 to be eligible is my understanding and that's a C average. If you follow college football, especially in the South, there are numerous examples of athletes who have tutors write their papers for them etc. you even have professors who will give passing grades to non deserving athletes because they are fans.

Yeah cause USC buying bush a house and producing a murderer are seller academics right

 

[Airstrip One]

"definitely"... there are plenty of very well educated folks who have a tough time with grammar. Einstein was one.

As a guy who was born with early speech development problems and overcame them by the time I was 5, I fail to understand what is so difficult about grammar. I mean, I literally haven't overcome any other academic difficulties...

 

[maineman]

I did go to Cal State Fullerton and graduated in a class of 5,000 from the business school with honors. Why would I need to lie about that? If I am going to lie, I would say Stanford or Harvard.

I am well educated because I worked my way through college paying my own way; I wanted to do well and I wanted to learn.

My grade in Calculus, Statistics, English and core courses were straight "A's". Two others, including myself, were not required to take the final exam in Calculus because we had such high grades going into the exam; nonetheless we ALL took the exam and got "A's".

You're opinion of my education is less than worthless.

Where did you earn your degree?

B.S. United States Naval Academy
M.B.A. University of Maine (post retirement)

 

[Damocles]

I don't believe that the only form of education must be structured, Jarod. You said, "That wasn't the question..."

It was. I asked if you believed that self-educated people would count as "well-educated" as pertaining to what you asked in your OP. You said no which leads me to believe that that we measure an education differently.

 

[The Dude]

I don't believe that the only form of education must be structured, Jarod. You said, "That wasn't the question..."

It was. I asked if you believed that self-educated people would count as "well-educated" as pertaining to what you asked in your OP. You said no which leads me to believe that that we measure an education differently.

You said income and education is old!
Tell us how

 

[canceled.2021.1]

I don't believe that the only form of education must be structured, Jarod. You said, "That wasn't the question..."

It was. I asked if you believed that self-educated people would count as "well-educated" as pertaining to what you asked in your OP. You said no which leads me to believe that that we measure an education differently.

This is how a liberal judges if someone is educated or not. "Do they agree with liberal ideology?" If the answer is yes, they think the individual is educated. If the do not they have a GED. That is the libtard mind at work

 

[Damocles]

You said income and education is old!
Tell us how

Current cost of education drops the increased income by quite a bit. Many people get "educated" only to find that they have lifetime loans to pay back and their degree in "communication" isn't going to net them enough to pay it back in any sort of timely fashion. The crippling debt tends to take a bit of the benefit away.

The cost to benefit analysis for most college educations is no longer on your side, it hasn't been for about 5 years now. (Remember, many college educations are not in something that will make you a ton of cash in the future.)

Since 1978 the cost of college has increased 1,100%, that far outstrips inflation by a bunch. Sending your kids to college because you think any bachelor degree will net them a good future is nonsense.

I would limit that statement to a valued degree, not just any degree. Simply saying, "If you have a degree you will make more." isn't true. You must choose a valuable course of study or you are likely to wind up wondering how the people who didn't go surpassed you in pay and are further ahead in their careers.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/05/26/colleges-need-fewer-inefficiencies/2351643/

For students, a college education can still be the right decision, provided they make informed decisions about their educational path. Attending a well-regarded state school on a scholarship and studying a STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) discipline will, on average, produce a better return on investment than taking out a pile of student loans to study sociology at an average, or below average private university. And the student must ultimately graduate for it be worth it: nearly 50% of students who enroll in four-year colleges never finish

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In the meantime, college can still be worth it for many students, provided that they have an appetite for academic rigor and an understanding of which schools and majors provide a good return on investment.

 

[cawacko]

I have a couple of buddies who say they have a degree from the streets of East Oakland. They don't have a formal college education but they are very street smart and entrepreneurial and will hustle. Some look down at that while others admire their desire to overcome their humble beginnings to make themselves solid hard working adults.

 

[Truth Detector]

B.S. United States Naval Academy
M.B.A. University of Maine (post retirement)

So with all that education, you still don't have the first clue about the Constitution and economics. I find that amazing.

I presume that you had to have been a Naval or Marine officer then?

 

[Truth Detector]

I have a couple of buddies who say they have a degree from the streets of East Oakland. They don't have a formal college education but they are very street smart and entrepreneurial and will hustle. Some look down at that while others admire their desire to overcome their humble beginnings to make themselves solid hard working adults.

Another fascinating personal story dude; but how does that square with dimwits claim:

Originally Posted by Jarod
One can attain a degree without having been educated.

How does one graduate college without getting an education?

 

[christiefan915]

Bill Gates, Richard Branson, Warren Buffet, Michael Dell to name a few, of course it depends on what you mean by well educated. I wonder if Jarod has heard of an autodidact?

"Autodidact", wow, that's a blast from the past. Do you remember Scholiast from Netscape? He used that word all the time.

 

[christiefan915]

. Funny nobody agrees w you!

Because he's just THAT repugnant.

 

[maineman]

So with all that education, you still don't have the first clue about the Constitution and economics. I find that amazing.

I presume that you had to have been a Naval or Marine officer then?

I know a great deal about both subjects. I find your penchant for non-stop antagonistic substance free insults amazing.

Your presumption as to my possible service options is correct. Navy. Retired as an O-5.

 

[Truth Detector]

I know a great deal about both subjects.

You can’t possibly have a clue about either or you wouldn’t support the leftist ideology you eschew and say the patently dumb things you do.

I find your penchant for non-stop antagonistic substance free insults amazing.

I find your selective outrage amazing; I never see you whine like a little vagina at evince’s or The Dudes.

Your presumption as to my possible service options is correct. Navy. Retired as an O-5.

NICE pension. You’re set for life Commander! Now if only we could re-educate you!

 

[Truth Detector]

Because he's just THAT repugnant.

So tell us sage asswhipe; how does one attain a degree without having been educated?