Trayvon Toons
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christiefan915
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Just kill yourself, racistX.
Will there ever be an end to the racist hate being expressed on this forum? Is it making your lives better? Is it going to change anything for the better. Don't you Americans want better? Don't you people feel a responsibility to your family and loved ones to start to try to make it better?
Get over it kids!
Get over it kids!
Socrtease
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I don't think the author of this pro-stand your ground article would appreciate you calling her a cracker. http://politichicks.tv/column/stand-your-ground-the-governments-attack-on-self-defense/
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The Almighty
can you link to article... I have racist on IA... thanks...
The black/white problem in the US has escalated to the point at which many people can't visualize any way out other than racist hate. Therefore, the illogical laws such as 'stand your ground' laws are being adopted and supported.
That kind of attitude is exactly the opposite of what could improve the situation. It's pretty clear that the racists and haters are winning the day. Feel sorry for America because the decline has started and soon there will be nothing that will be able to stop it.
Gun related violence is about to escalate sharply.
The only hope of seeing the racism and hateing defused is to see the end of Obama's term as president. It's quite possible that far too much damage will be done to the US before then.
That kind of attitude is exactly the opposite of what could improve the situation. It's pretty clear that the racists and haters are winning the day. Feel sorry for America because the decline has started and soon there will be nothing that will be able to stop it.
Gun related violence is about to escalate sharply.
The only hope of seeing the racism and hateing defused is to see the end of Obama's term as president. It's quite possible that far too much damage will be done to the US before then.
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The Almighty
Good article... thanks...
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The Almighty
Link us up to these 'many people' you speak of. Proclaiming that SYG laws are 'illogical' simply shows that you haven't taken the time to think it through. Read the article Soc just linked to. Maybe that will help.
What are you basing the above on?
How would Obama's term coming to an end help to defuse racism and hate?
Stand your ground laws produce more violence than they prevent. It's not something that I care to try to link to though. It's common sense to understand it and nothing more. But if one doesn't understand that killing another human being is an undesirable outcome then one won't be able to understand what I'm trying to tell you. And so, the question is, do you understand that? That's where we will have to begin the discussion.
On the proven fact that when a gun is present there are more gun deaths. If you consider it desirable to reduce that number then we have something to discuss here.
I'm suggesting that the racist hate that has been stirred up in your country is mainly due to the hate for Obama. There's little doubt that the connection has now been made between Trayvon Martin and Obama, be that the fault of one side or the other. There's also little doubt that it is political. It's a pretty clean divide right down left/right party lines. That's something for you to address if you wish to continue to discuss the issue.
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The Almighty
So you think simply by proclaiming it as such, that should suffice? Sorry, but that is not the way it works in a debate. If you wish to make a statement like that, you need to back it up with data that supports it. Trying to pretend it is 'common sense' is sad. Because it is nothing more than your biased opinion at this point.
Yes, it is an undesirable outcome. Yet in life, sometimes those outcomes become necessary, regardless of whether we like them or not. do you understand that?
Also, if you wish to begin with that, then do so. Don't start off with an unsubstantiated position, then pretend you can't be bothered to support it with data, then pretend that it is 'common sense' simply by proclaiming it so.
ROFLMAO... yeah and when a spoon is present, there are more spoon deaths than when a spoon isn't present. Side note... your above did nothing to back up your claim that there will be an escalation in gun violence.
Um, when the President says 'I could have been Trayvon', when the President comes out soon after the shooting occurred and said 'Trayvon could be my son', it is the President that is making the connection. If anyone is making it political it is the President himself.
I will continue to discuss this despite your repeated attempts to tell me what I must do. If you wish to discuss this, then perhaps you should stop with such nonsense. Otherwise you can simply join the other trolls.
Try to think of this as something bigger than a debate. Understand that I don't have any reason to want to debate you. When people are encouraged to stand their ground rather than run away from violence, they will do just that. That results in more deaths. That's not debatable. Now the only question I ask of you is, do you care about reducing or eliminating some of those deaths?
If the life and death issue are of minor importance to you then we have nothing more to discuss. Please make that clear to me now.
If you wish to discuss it with me then you know my method. That's not going to change. If the deaths of more black people or white people or any colour of American is not a concern for you then say so. If the way you perceive the quality of those people justifies killing for you then just say so. But if human life is ore important to you then perhaps 'we' have something to discuss. If not then I won't waste any more time on it with you.
If you wish to say for instance: When a gun is present then there is no more likelihood of a death resulting out of a disagreement then do so. If that's your opinion then I will consider it illogical and discontinue this discussion.
I disagree but I won't pursue that directly as it just adds another side issue. I will say that any other president could have easily got away with it and it would have been seen in a different and more positive light.
So let's try to bring it back to some kind of grounding in reality. The real issue is, when a violent reaction is encouraged by those sort of laws then that will more likely be the outcome. When it is not encouraged but is seen as an unlawful over reaction then it will less likely be the outcome. That is the substance I wish you to debate. If you feel that death is a due and justifiable outcome then that takes away any need to debate the issue further. We simply disagree. Is that the case?
Try to think of this as something bigger than a debate. Understand that I don't have any reason to want to debate you. When people are encouraged to stand their ground rather than run away from violence, they will do just that. That results in more deaths. That's not debatable. Now the only question I ask of you is, do you care about reducing or eliminating some of those deaths?
If the life and death issue are of minor importance to you then we have nothing more to discuss. Please make that clear to me now.
If you wish to discuss it with me then you know my method. That's not going to change. If the deaths of more black people or white people or any colour of American is not a concern for you then say so. If the way you perceive the quality of those people justifies killing for you then just say so. But if human life is ore important to you then perhaps 'we' have something to discuss. If not then I won't waste any more time on it with you.
If you wish to say for instance: When a gun is present then there is no more likelihood of a death resulting out of a disagreement then do so. If that's your opinion then I will consider it illogical and discontinue this discussion.
I disagree but I won't pursue that directly as it just adds another side issue. I will say that any other president could have easily got away with it and it would have been seen in a different and more positive light.
So let's try to bring it back to some kind of grounding in reality. The real issue is, when a violent reaction is encouraged by those sort of laws then that will more likely be the outcome. When it is not encouraged but is seen as an unlawful over reaction then it will less likely be the outcome. That is the substance I wish you to debate. If you feel that death is a due and justifiable outcome then that takes away any need to debate the issue further. We simply disagree. Is that the case?
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The Almighty
Yes, it is debatable. Do you honestly think that by simply proclaiming it is true, that somehow your statement IS true?
Back it up with data, otherwise it is simply your (misguided) opinion.
If you are going to continue with these absurd statements in an attempt to end the discussion, then there certainly is little to discuss.
Spouting off unsubstantiated BS? Then proclaiming it is the truth? Yeah, I have picked up on your method.
So you are just a troll?
ROFLMAO... ok... I get it... you are a troll
Totally ironic given you have been absent reality in your posts to this point.
So I'll just repeat: So let's try to bring it back to some kind of grounding in reality. The real issue is, when a violent reaction is encouraged by those sort of laws then that will more likely be the outcome. When it is not encouraged but is seen as an unlawful over reaction then it will less likely be the outcome. That is the substance I wish you to debate. If you feel that death is a due and justifiable outcome then that takes away any need to debate the issue further. We simply disagree. Is that the case?
You can take it from there. Addressing those questions is addressing the issue. It's up to you and if you don't or can't then maybe somebody else will.
You can take it from there. Addressing those questions is addressing the issue. It's up to you and if you don't or can't then maybe somebody else will.
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