Corona Virus Peak Watch Thread

Well, the deaths are still up there.

Another 4K yesterday.

But the optimist in me looks at the number of Serious and Critical cases, and I see that continuing to drop.

That suggests the death toll will follow.

You would think that by targeting the older and at-risk population for vaccinations first, it would begin to have an effect.
 
Hello Darth,

Your opinion about Trump and the death count is baseless and not shared by anyone who is taken seriously. Fauci is no fan of Trump and he wouldn’t come within a hundred miles of such a claim.

My point about the CCP role/guilt in this is a fact. You are welcome to refute it—if you’re able to.

Taken seriously by whom? Anti-maskers? Pandemic deniers? It's a big wide world. Liberal views are taken very seriously by half the nation.

Blaming China is no solution. That is nothing more than wallowing in the unchangeable past. Since when do we trust our security to China? We need to look out for that ourselves.
 
Hello Darth,



Taken seriously by whom? Anti-maskers? Pandemic deniers? It's a big wide world. Liberal views are taken very seriously by half the nation.

Blaming China is no solution. That is nothing more than wallowing in the unchangeable past. Since when do we trust our security to China? We need to look out for that ourselves.

Well, that claim is not taken seriously by anyone who should be taken seriously.

As I said, Fauci wouldn’t touch a claim like that because it’s obvious hyperbole AND because he would implicate himself. It’s been The Fauci Show for almost a year now, right?

Has the pandemic been mishandled on some points? Yes absolutely. Has it led to a significant increase in the death count? No, and I wish you the best luck of in proving it with irrefutable facts if you want to claim otherwise.

Our death count is OWNED by the CCP. Moreover, they rightly perceive us as being too weak and feckless to confront them on it and this is *dangerous* with an adversary like China.

I wonder what they’re going to do next?
 
Hello Darth,

... Our death count is OWNED by the CCP. ...

That's ridiculous. Their part was done as soon as it got loose.

Our death count is a direct result of the way we handled the pandemic.

Our atrociously high death count is a direct result of the way we mishandled the deadly worldwide pandemic.

A serious crisis is what separates the real leaders from the fakers.

We did not have a real leader. What we had was a self-centered greedy wealth-seeker who cared about nothing but himself.
 
Wednesday,

2-3

USA

Total Cases 27,150,457

New Cases +113,459

Total Deaths 461,930

New Deaths +3,999

Total Recovered 16,906,778

Active Cases 9,781,749

Serious, Critical 23,449

Tot Cases/1M pop 81,740

Deaths/1M pop 1,391

Total Tests 317,086,758

Tests/1M pop 954,631
 
Hello Darth,



That's ridiculous. Their part was done as soon as it got loose.

Our death count is a direct result of the way we handled the pandemic.

Our atrociously high death count is a direct result of the way we mishandled the deadly worldwide pandemic.

A serious crisis is what separates the real leaders from the fakers.

We did not have a real leader. What we had was a self-centered greedy wealth-seeker who cared about nothing but himself.

See, you’re making a rhetorical argument lol.

Probably supplemented with pounding your fist on the table. Here’s some actual facts that you’re welcome to refute if you are able. The virus didn’t just ‘get loose’ from China. The virus likely came from a lab in Wuhan, so it’s likely the CCP lied on that.

The facts are the CCP lied about human to human transmission *while* they were allowing tens of thousands of their infected nationals to literally seed the planet with a highly contagious virus.

At that point, a pandemic was inevitable. It was a forgone conclusion.

And this was happening *before* Trump, Fauci or whoever, could have done anything that was going to change the outcome in any significant way. It was physically impossible to test every living soul in the country to see if they were an asymptomatic carrier in December/January of last year. That’s pie in the sky stuff and it was the only thing that could have been done that would have changed anything.

So, the virus was here and the virus was spreading in our population before anyone was aware of it. We were screwed.

By the communist China regime. EOD.
 
See, you’re making a rhetorical argument lol.

Probably supplemented with pounding your fist on the table. Here’s some actual facts that you’re welcome to refute if you are able. The virus didn’t just ‘get loose’ from China. The virus likely came from a lab in Wuhan, so it’s likely the CCP lied on that.

The facts are the CCP lied about human to human transmission *while* they were allowing tens of thousands of their infected nationals to literally seed the planet with a highly contagious virus.

At that point, a pandemic was inevitable. It was a forgone conclusion.

And this was happening *before* Trump, Fauci or whoever, could have done anything that was going to change the outcome in any significant way. It was physically impossible to test every living soul in the country to see if they were an asymptomatic carrier in December/January of last year. That’s pie in the sky stuff and it was the only thing that could have been done that would have changed anything.

So, the virus was here and the virus was spreading in our population before anyone was aware of it. We were screwed.

By the communist China regime. EOD.

Mr. 61, if China really did launch a bioweapon on the planet, why did Trump lie about it and not attack China?
 
Hello Darth,

See, you’re making a rhetorical argument lol.

Probably supplemented with pounding your fist on the table. Here’s some actual facts that you’re welcome to refute if you are able. The virus didn’t just ‘get loose’ from China. The virus likely came from a lab in Wuhan, so it’s likely the CCP lied on that.

The facts are the CCP lied about human to human transmission *while* they were allowing tens of thousands of their infected nationals to literally seed the planet with a highly contagious virus.

At that point, a pandemic was inevitable. It was a forgone conclusion.

And this was happening *before* Trump, Fauci or whoever, could have done anything that was going to change the outcome in any significant way. It was physically impossible to test every living soul in the country to see if they were an asymptomatic carrier in December/January of last year. That’s pie in the sky stuff and it was the only thing that could have been done that would have changed anything.

So, the virus was here and the virus was spreading in our population before anyone was aware of it. We were screwed.

By the communist China regime. EOD.

No, there has been no fist-pounding here. Nothing like it. Merely justifiably concerned due to being well informed and caring about our nation and our citizens, my fellow citizens of the United States of America.

Is it possible that the virus was deliberately created and released? Yes.
Do we have proof of that? No.

Does leadership and government handling of a crisis have a bearing on the outcome? Absolutely.

Do I believe this nonsensical statement? --> 'Virus is gonna virus. Nothing we can do about it.' <-- Absolutely not. I do not believe that. There is plenty which can be done.

Would there be fewer cases and deaths if there were no super-spreader events? Yes.

Would there be fewer super-spreader events if government and leadership had a more consistent message? Yes.

Would unified consistent government leadership and messaging result in more adherence to the CDC guidelines, less transmission of the virus, fewer cases and fewer deaths? Yes.

Now here is an example.

When the CDC said wearing masks will help save lives, and Trump said it was a choice and he chose not to, many individuals who believed in him decided right there on the spot that they would not be wearing a mask if they didn't have to.

That resulted in more transmissions of the disease, more cases, and more deaths.

And since there were more cases, that created even more chances for further transmissions and still more cases and deaths.

Bad policy and messaging built upon itself to make the pandemic far worse than it had to be.

When Trump chose very unwisely to go on national TV and say he was not going to wear a mask, those words killed tens of thousands of Americans.

Just like that. If words could kill. In that case, they did.
 
Mr. 61, if China really did launch a bioweapon on the planet, why did Trump lie about it and not attack China?

Well Carp, did I say it was a bio weapon lol?

It could have been a gain of function experiment and the virus got loose due to poor management or whatever. The point is China lied about human to human transmission while their infected nationals were planting the virus across the planet.

Trump is no longer President but would you suggest your boy Biden do about it? Sanction Russia?
 
Hello Darth,



No, there has been no fist-pounding here. Nothing like it. Merely justifiably concerned due to being well informed and caring about our nation and our citizens, my fellow citizens of the United States of America.

Is it possible that the virus was deliberately created and released? Yes.
Do we have proof of that? No.

Does leadership and government handling of a crisis have a bearing on the outcome? Absolutely.

Do I believe this nonsensical statement? --> 'Virus is gonna virus. Nothing we can do about it.' <-- Absolutely not. I do not believe that. There is plenty which can be done.

Would there be fewer cases and deaths if there were no super-spreader events? Yes.

Would there be fewer super-spreader events if government and leadership had a more consistent message? Yes.

Would unified consistent government leadership and messaging result in more adherence to the CDC guidelines, less transmission of the virus, fewer cases and fewer deaths? Yes.

Now here is an example.

When the CDC said wearing masks will help save lives, and Trump said it was a choice and he chose not to, many individuals who believed in him decided right there on the spot that they would not be wearing a mask if they didn't have to.

That resulted in more transmissions of the disease, more cases, and more deaths.

And since there were more cases, that created even more chances for further transmissions and still more cases and deaths.

Bad policy and messaging built upon itself to make the pandemic far worse than it had to be.

When Trump chose very unwisely to go on national TV and say he was not going to wear a mask, those words killed tens of thousands of Americans.

Just like that. If words could kill. In that case, they did.

Prove it lol?

That’s pure speculation. Moreover, it’s looking increasingly baseless. Our numbers have dropped precipitously even as mask wearing has been constant over time. This *strongly* suggests masks weren’t a factor and likely never were a factor.

The Chinese communist party owns the death count. What should be done about it?
 
Well Carp, did I say it was a bio weapon lol?

In so many words, yes. Are you now disavowing claiming China intentionally released a bioweapon on the world?

If your neighbor, pissed because your place is the shittiest in the neighborhood thus driving down his home value, poisoned your dog, would you consider that wrong? What would you do about it? Why do you consider your claim about China to be less than the asshole who'd poisoned a dog, cat, whatever?
 
In so many words, yes. Are you now disavowing claiming China intentionally released a bioweapon on the word?

If your neighbor, pissed because your place is the shittiest in the neighborhood thus driving down his home value, poisoned your dog, would you consider that wrong? What would you do about it? Why do you consider your claim about China to be less than the asshole who'd poisoned a dog, cat, whatever?

What’s the point in disavowing a claim I never made lol?

There’s some evidence the virus was man made. I’ll go slow: it could have either been made and released as a weapon; or, it was simply made for research purposes and through careless handling it infected someone.

And bingo, the highly contagious virus takes it from there. China is culpable for the pandemic—and it’s death toll, even if it came from a wet market. Why people persist in denying that is beyond me. Probably something to do with a political agenda.
 
What’s the point in disavowing a claim I never made lol?..

Opie, the source of your life's failures is your failure to recognize how fucked up you are. Admit it and free yourself.

You are free to confirm or deny this:
See, you’re making a rhetorical argument lol.

Probably supplemented with pounding your fist on the table. Here’s some actual facts that you’re welcome to refute if you are able. The virus didn’t just ‘get loose’ from China. The virus likely came from a lab in Wuhan, so it’s likely the CCP lied on that.

The facts are the CCP lied about human to human transmission *while* they were allowing tens of thousands of their infected nationals to literally seed the planet with a highly contagious virus.

At that point, a pandemic was inevitable. It was a forgone conclusion.

And this was happening *before* Trump, Fauci or whoever, could have done anything that was going to change the outcome in any significant way. It was physically impossible to test every living soul in the country to see if they were an asymptomatic carrier in December/January of last year. That’s pie in the sky stuff and it was the only thing that could have been done that would have changed anything.

So, the virus was here and the virus was spreading in our population before anyone was aware of it. We were screwed.

By the communist China regime. EOD.
 
Opie, the source of your life's failures is your failure to recognize how fucked up you are. Admit it and free yourself.

You are free to confirm or deny this:

Carp, you’re assuming malevolence on the part of China when they could have simply been trying cover it up with the hopes they’d get away with it.

Want to start over or is it time to find a new thread?
 
Carp, you’re assuming malevolence on the part of China when they could have simply been trying cover it up with the hopes they’d get away with it.

Want to start over or is it time to find a new thread?

Opie, when you grow up and get to high school then you'll learn any "cover up" is malevolent. It's a matter of human ethics.

Scenario: You are walking home and see that RW terrorists are trying to blow up a daycare center. They lit a 10' slow burning fuse that ensure 2-3 minutes of burn time. You have choice: cut the fuse and save the day or run. If you run, is it because you are a coward who doesn't give a shit about kids or is it because you are complicit in murdering innocent Americans for a cause? Are you part of the problem, Opie?
 
Opie, when you grow up and get to high school then you'll learn any "cover up" is malevolent. It's a matter of human ethics.

Scenario: You are walking home and see that RW terrorists are trying to blow up a daycare center. They lit a 10' slow burning fuse that ensure 2-3 minutes of burn time. You have choice: cut the fuse and save the day or run. If you run, is it because you are a coward who doesn't give a shit about kids or is it because you are complicit in murdering innocent Americans for a cause? Are you part of the problem, Opie?

You’re getting desperate but ok.

Maybe malevolence wasn’t the right word. How about negligent? Either way, you whiffed, Carp.
 
You’re getting desperate but ok.

Maybe malevolence wasn’t the right word. How about negligent? Either way, you whiffed, Carp.

Why do you think I'm getting desperate? What do you think would make me desperate?

Opie, everyone can see the whiffer is you, son.
 
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