Death by Corona numbers explode to 61

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Darth Omar said:
But it’s been alleged that the CDC has inflated their numbers.

I realize you like the high death numbers but try and be objective about this. Dr Birx is as serious a scientist as Fauci and she made the allegation.

Doesn’t the allegation warrant an investigation?
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I see. You are alleging that CDC is inputting information from death certificates that don't exist. Do you have any evidence of that?
The CDC receives data from death certificates and enters it into their database.They include all deaths but only code those marked as Covid under their Covid category.

The week ending in 4/11 shows more than 17,000 deaths more than would be expected but the CDC only classifies 14,287 as COVID.

From the CDC
The National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) uses incoming data from death certificates to produce provisional COVID-19 death counts. These include deaths occurring within the 50 states and the District of Columbia.
 
Sailor said:
Not at all idiot. Read the fine print. You will see how many deaths are attributed to Covid that they are unsure about. No need to grovel, just move on.
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What deaths are they attributing to Covid that they are "unsure about"? The word "provisional" doesn't mean they are unsure, it means they don't yet have all the data. They state it can take up to 8 weeks for data to arrive at CDC.

The CDC says this:
COVID-19 deaths are identified using a new ICD–10 code. When COVID-19 is reported as a cause of death – or when it is listed as a “probable” or “presumed” cause — the death is coded as U07.1. This can include cases with or without laboratory confirmation.
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That would mean the death certificate has COVID listed as contributing to or probable or presumed cause listed by the coroner who signed the death certificate.

The real key here is the number of deaths that aren't counted as COVID..

Lets examine the week ending in 4/11 (keep in mind all the numbers are not in for that week)

4/11/2020 14,287 72,459 131

There are 14,287 deaths that the CDC is attributing to Covid
There were 72,459 deaths that week
That was 131% of the expected deaths based on the average of the same week in the previous 3 years.

That means that expected number of deaths was 55,312 for that week.
It gives us 17,417 more deaths than were expected for the week
Only 14,287 were attributed to COVID

What do you think is the reason for the 3,130 deaths not expected and not attributed to COVID? Unless you can come up with some other reason it is very likely the the CDC is under counting COVID deaths because not all of them are being attributed.

So give us your explanation for what was the cause of the 17,000 plus deaths more than were to be expected? A sudden outbreak of Ebola?, Legionnaires? Maybe an earthquake or a massive fire?
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
What deaths are they attributing to Covid that they are "unsure about"? The word "provisional" doesn't mean they are unsure, it means they don't yet have all the data. They state it can take up to 8 weeks for data to arrive at CDC.

The CDC says this:
That would mean the death certificate has COVID listed as contributing to or probable or presumed cause listed by the coroner who signed the death certificate.

The real key here is the number of deaths that aren't counted as COVID..

Lets examine the week ending in 4/11 (keep in mind all the numbers are not in for that week)

4/11/2020 14,287 72,459 131

There are 14,287 deaths that the CDC is attributing to Covid
There were 72,459 deaths that week
That was 131% of the expected deaths based on the average of the same week in the previous 3 years.

That means that expected number of deaths was 55,312 for that week.
It gives us 17,417 more deaths than were expected for the week
Only 14,287 were attributed to COVID

What do you think is the reason for the 3,130 deaths not expected and not attributed to COVID? Unless you can come up with some other reason it is very likely the the CDC is under counting COVID deaths because not all of them are being attributed.

So give us your explanation for what was the cause of the 17,000 plus deaths more than were to be expected? A sudden outbreak of Ebola?, Legionnaires? Maybe an earthquake or a massive fire?
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Thanks for proving my point. Not that I expected anything different.
 
Sailor said:
Thanks for proving my point. Not that I expected anything different.
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Which means the death count can only go ONE direction - MORE Deaths than what they are currently showing. They only record deaths for which they have received a death certificate. Death certificates are not reversed because the person suddenly comes back to life.

Next week, we will likely see more deaths for the week of 4/11 as more death certificates come in. There is no way we can see fewer deaths.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Which means the death count can only go ONE direction - MORE Deaths than what they are currently showing. They only record deaths for which they have received a death certificate. Death certificates are not reversed because the person suddenly comes back to life.

Next week, we will likely see more deaths for the week of 4/11 as more death certificates come in. There is no way we can see fewer deaths.
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You failed. Miserably. This is not something new to you.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
A colonoscopy is a surgery? Since when? Are you such an asshole they have to cut you open to do this procedure?

Colonoscopies are usually done on a 5 or 10 year schedule. 6 weeks is going to make a difference if you waited 10 years?
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Darth is an operating theatre technician, stop being so bloody condescending!
 
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Poor Richard Saunders said:
I see. You are alleging that CDC is inputting information from death certificates that don't exist. Do you have any evidence of that?
The CDC receives data from death certificates and enters it into their database.They include all deaths but only code those marked as Covid under their Covid category.

The week ending in 4/11 shows more than 17,000 deaths more than would be expected but the CDC only classifies 14,287 as COVID.

From the CDC
The National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) uses incoming data from death certificates to produce provisional COVID-19 death counts. These include deaths occurring within the 50 states and the District of Columbia.
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No, it’s not my allegation: it’s Birx’s allegation.

She said she ‘no longer trusts the CDC’. I know it’s difficult but try and be curious about that.

That’s a powerful statement from someone in Birx’s position. Doesn’t it warrant an investigation?
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Which means the death count can only go ONE direction - MORE Deaths than what they are currently showing. They only record deaths for which they have received a death certificate. Death certificates are not reversed because the person suddenly comes back to life.

Next week, we will likely see more deaths for the week of 4/11 as more death certificates come in. There is no way we can see fewer deaths.
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Did you know cancer diagnoses are down—for some odd reason.

Are curious as to why that is? People stopped getting cancer for some reason?
 
Darth Omar said:
But the total should get an asterisk because of the ‘novel’ counting methods used for COVID as opposed seasonal flu totals.

Even Birx accused the CDC of inflating the total up to 25%.

80,000*

#COVID*
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Birx "accused the CDC of inflating the total?" What proof did she offer?
 
Darth Omar said:
No, it’s not my allegation: it’s Birx’s allegation.

She said she ‘no longer trusts the CDC’. I know it’s difficult but try and be curious about that.

That’s a powerful statement from someone in Birx’s position. Doesn’t it warrant an investigation?
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It will warrant an investigation if she gives some credible reasons for one.
 
Darth Omar said:
Do you think it was just a random statement lol?

Put her before Congress and let her explain herself.
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I think she's a trump appointee who's trying to distance herself from the CDC and Fauci, now that he's on trump's sh*t list. But I'm good with putting her before Congress.
 
Darth Omar said:
Do you think it was just a random statement lol?

Put her before Congress and let her explain herself.
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Clinton Corp has ruthlessly controlled the D party nationally for over two decades, that's not going to happen unless Hillary wants it to happen..... too many people are scared at what a pissed off Clinton is willing to do.

As several people have been noting of late ( for instance Tucker last night I believe) Senate R's still tend to be useless cucks , they are not going to go after Clinton without D permission.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Clinton Corp has ruthlessly controlled the D party nationally for over two decades, that's not going to happen unless Hillary wants it to happen, too many people are still scared at what a pissed off Clinton is willing to do.
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This has nothing to do with Clinton. It's about Dr. Birx. RIF.
 
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