Death by Corona numbers explode to 61

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Poor Richard Saunders said:
So, you assume that Birx doesn't think the actual death certificates counted by CDC are real.. OK.. Ignore reality.

Meanwhile, for the week of 4/11 we have 17,000 more deaths than expected. Can you tell us what caused those deaths if not Covid?
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Yup.

Predominantly, the Cytokine Storm. Immune system malfunction which leads a run away inflammatory process in different parts of the body.

COVID’s are a family of respiratory viruses.
 
Darth Omar said:
Yup.

Predominantly, the Cytokine Storm. Immune system malfunction which leads a run away inflammatory process in different parts of the body.

COVID’s are a family of respiratory viruses.
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I see.. so you are arguing that Covid had no contributions to it?

I suppose you also argue that someone that is in an auto accident didn't die from the auto accident but from loss of blood so we can't count that as a traffic fatality.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
I see.. so you are arguing that Covid had no contributions to it?

I suppose you also argue that someone that is in an auto accident didn't die from the auto accident but from loss of blood so we can't count that as a traffic fatality.
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Actually, I’m trying to enlighten you lol.

COVID19–a respiratory virus, *triggers* the so called Cytokine Storm is a very small number of infections. People with autoimmune disorders learn about what ‘triggers’ their immune system to malfunction and are counseled to avoid them.

I don’t know the stats, but I’d wager a small number of deaths actually occurred from straight up COVID pneumonia. Probably happened quite a bit in nursing homes. These people can catch pneumonia at the drop of a hat. The younger individuals very likely died—at the hands of their own immune system, triggered, by the COVID virus.

Ironic, huh?

Probably why ‘COVID related deaths’ is such a large category.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Darth Omar said:
...Schools were shut down even though kids and young adults rarely get COVID....
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Rarely get it? I would say they are rarely hospitalized but to claim they rarely get it is a flat out lie on your part unless you have evidence that the virus checks IDs before infecting someone.
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Careful. You're communicating with a person who claims to be a healthcare professional who knows better than Fauci and Trump's COVID response team. :)
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Rarely get it? I would say they are rarely hospitalized but to claim they rarely get it is a flat out lie on your part unless you have evidence that the virus checks IDs before infecting someone.
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Forgot to mention that individuals who have it and don’t even realize it aren’t at risk.

My bad. Are there any other health risks that aren’t a risk to an individual’s health that you’re concerned about?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Would we? Even if a Republican Congress limited her budget?

That's the point, she would have shut down the economy sooner, which would have saved lives, but we'd still be headed for a Depression. How could she open it back up again without a vaccine or cure?

The economy itself is the fuel of national security. Would Hillary have printed more or less money than Trump is doing?
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This wasn't a budget issue. trump did away with 1/2 of the pandemic team that was put into place by the Obama administration, citing big govt. as being wasteful. Part of that team was in China. What I'm saying is that the first step should have been to sanitize all airplanes that are used in international travel. Airports too. If need be, test all passengers. Remember...trump golfed for three whole years before this hit. An intelligent leader would have continued down the path that Obama started.

Remember...the administration gave trump a full briefing as they left the White House. trump was too busy playing with knobs, and pulling the levers of govt, looking for the outer edges of what POTUS can do legally, and get away with it. Don't forget...immediately after the inauguration he went back out on the campaign trail, and never stopped.

We can all speculate as to what 'would have been' if a moron were not in the W.H.. And hindsight is always 20/20. But there was a foundation already built by the Obama administration, and even you don't believe that Hillary would have tossed it in the trash.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Rarely get it? I would say they are rarely hospitalized but to claim they rarely get it is a flat out lie on your part unless you have evidence that the virus checks IDs before infecting someone.
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He loves to quote Hannity. Assuming they 'don't get it'...which is a lie. (Actually, the thread title is hilarious if you think about it) Kids can still transmit the virus. I'm sure he hears a lot while he's mopping the hospital floors, but he tends to ignore that which doesn't fit his narrative.
 
Althea said:
This wasn't a budget issue. trump did away with 1/2 of the pandemic team that was put into place by the Obama administration, citing big govt. as being wasteful. Part of that team was in China. What I'm saying is that the first step should have been to sanitize all airplanes that are used in international travel. Airports too. If need be, test all passengers. Remember...trump golfed for three whole years before this hit. An intelligent leader would have continued down the path that Obama started.

Remember...the administration gave trump a full briefing as they left the White House. trump was too busy playing with knobs, and pulling the levers of govt, looking for the outer edges of what POTUS can do legally, and get away with it. Don't forget...immediately after the inauguration he went back out on the campaign trail, and never stopped.

We can all speculate as to what 'would have been' if a moron were not in the W.H.. And hindsight is always 20/20. But there was a foundation already built by the Obama administration, and even you don't believe that Hillary would have tossed it in the trash.
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Disagreed since this has been going on a lot longer than 2016. Ever since GW was elected, it seems the best thing our government knows how to do is fuck up government and spend money.

Congress could have overridden a lot of the Trump bullshit. IMHO, abotu 90% of what Trump says and does is for show; it has no real impact on the Nation since Congress has the oversight. Congress is very dysfunctional but that wasn't caused by GW, Obama or Trump.

Consider 9/11. What would have been different had Gore won? Would the attacks have still happened. Most likely. Would we have still invaded Afghanistan? Yes. Iraq becomes the main point where Gore would have taken a different path than Bush. Regardless, there's still be a Ground Zero.

In this case, we'd still have a pandemic sweeping the planet. The DOW, Nikki and other global stock markets would still be in the toilet: https://countryeconomy.com/stock-exchange
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Would we? Even if a Republican Congress limited her budget?
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As long as we're discussing 'what if', IF Hillary were elected, Dems would have had the Senate, and maybe the House. Even with terrible turnout, Dems actually picked up two seats in the Senate in '16. House would have been a long shot, but Senate Republicans were vulnerable in '16. Low turnout let them off the hook.
 
Althea said:
As long as we're discussing 'what if', IF Hillary were elected, Dems would have had the Senate, and maybe the House. Even with terrible turnout, Dems actually picked up two seats in the Senate in '16. House would have been a long shot, but Senate Republicans were vulnerable in '16. Low turnout let them off the hook.
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Doubtful about the Senate. I fail to see why those elections would have matter. In fact, the mid-terms may have gone the other way like they did with both Obama and Trump.

One way for voters to impose "balance" on our government is to have the WH be one party and Congress the other. Even better is like we have now with each party loosely controlling one side of the building.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Disagreed since this has been going on a lot longer than 2016. Ever since GW was elected, it seems the best thing our government knows how to do is fuck up government and spend money.

Congress could have overridden a lot of the Trump bullshit. IMHO, abotu 90% of what Trump says and does is for show; it has no real impact on the Nation since Congress has the oversight. Congress is very dysfunctional but that wasn't caused by GW, Obama or Trump.

Consider 9/11. What would have been different had Gore won? Would the attacks have still happened. Most likely. Would we have still invaded Afghanistan? Yes. Iraq becomes the main point where Gore would have taken a different path than Bush. Regardless, there's still be a Ground Zero.

In this case, we'd still have a pandemic sweeping the planet. The DOW, Nikki and other global stock markets would still be in the toilet: https://countryeconomy.com/stock-exchange
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Again...hypothetical claims are never wrong. Or right.

9/11? Clinton made Bush aware of Bin Laden. Like trump, Bush was famous for ignoring briefings. I refuse to believe that Gore would not have been on the ball w/respect to 9/11. It was an ingenious plan, that used our own immigration system against us. It might very well have worked, but we would NOT have gone into Iraq.

Imagine a world with a Mid East that was still stable with Hussein keeping Iran in check?
 
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