Zelensky bans free press, bans opposition, arrests opposition leader.

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Ukraine Proposes Prisoner Swap After Capturing Pro-Russian Politician

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This comes as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has proposed a prisoner swap with Russia after Ukraine’s secret services detained Viktor Medvedchuk, a prominent pro-Russia Ukrainian politician who had escaped house arrest in February. Zelensky offered to swap Medvedchuk for captured Ukrainian prisoners of war.

Arresting the leader of the Ukrainian opposition, and portraying him as a "Russian" agent is not how democracy works. But this is no problem for Volo, he already banned all opposition members of parliament, other than his extreme right wing (neo-Nazi) supporters, and shut down any independent press in Ukraine. No democracy here !!



https://www.democracynow.org/2022/4...__1ekZXP46HZGlHMYyCMSm9Sf_u-9MRqkpGhgHR9LpMX0
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I guess he's a lot closer to the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis than our own , heavily-censored , media would have us believe.
 
moon said:
I guess he's a lot closer to the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis than our own , heavily-censored , media would have us believe.
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Only 10-20 years after Russia started doing those things.
At least he isn't trying to poison his opposition yet.

One would think you would be happy he is acting like Putin.
 
Arresting the leader of the Ukrainian opposition, and portraying him as a "Russian" agent is not how democracy works.
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im sick of hearing we are " supporting democracy" -no we arent
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Only 10-20 years after Russia started doing those things.
At least he isn't trying to poison his opposition yet.

One would think you would be happy he is acting like Putin.
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It shows the low level of mentality that anybody who actually reports anything that isn't endorsed by NATO must be a ' Putin lover '. Really, Poor Richard, you must be brain-scrubbed.
 
moon said:
It shows the low level of mentality that anybody who actually reports anything that isn't endorsed by NATO must be a ' Putin lover '. Really, Poor Richard, you must be brain-scrubbed.
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The poisoning of Russian opposition has been reported for years if not decades at this point. It isn't NATO endorsed. Someone dying or almost dying from poison doesn't rely on NATO to be approved. It is a fact that is reported in multiple news media.

https://www.rt.com/russia/509648-navalny-accuses-kremlin-poisoning/
 
moon said:
I guess he's a lot closer to the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis than our own , heavily-censored , media would have us believe.
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Well, this is typical of this member. His allegations fit the outrages Putin is committing yet there is zero support for speech censorship or banning opposition in his link and only the holding of a single Russian sympathizing oligarch for the purpose of an exchange with Russia which is holding in concentration camps untold numbers of ordinary Ukrainian citizens.
 
moon said:
he already banned all opposition members of parliament, other than his extreme right wing (neo-Nazi) supporters
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Who are Zelensky's neo-Nazi supporters in parliament, moon?

There is one party in the Ukrainian parliament that might by any stretch of the imagination be called "neo-Nazi". That is the Svoboda (Freedom) Party, and it has ONE member of parliament out of 450.

Are you saying Zelensky has banned the other 449 members?


P.S. In the OP the second paragraph of the "quote" from democracynow.org is not at the link. Where does it come from?
 
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Far-right groups have also gained political currency in the past decade, none more chilling than Svoboda (formerly the Social National Party of Ukraine), whose leader claimed the country was controlled by a “Muscovite-Jewish mafia” and whose deputy used an antisemitic slur to describe Ukrainian-born Jewish actor Mila Kunis. Svoboda has sent several members to Ukraine’s Parliament, including one who called the Holocaust a “bright period” in human history, according to Foreign Policy.

Just as disturbing, neo-Nazis are part of some of Ukraine’s growing ranks of volunteer battalions. They are battle-hardened after waging some of the toughest street fighting against Moscow-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine following Putin’s Crimean invasion in 2014. One is the Azov Battalion, founded by an avowed white supremacist who claimed Ukraine’s national purpose was to rid the country of Jews and other inferior races. In 2018, the U.S. Congress stipulated that its aid to Ukraine couldn’t be used “to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.” Even so, Azov is now an official member of the Ukraine National Guard.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946
 
dukkha said:
Far-right groups have also gained political currency in the past decade, none more chilling than Svoboda (formerly the Social National Party of Ukraine), whose leader claimed the country was controlled by a “Muscovite-Jewish mafia” and whose deputy used an antisemitic slur to describe Ukrainian-born Jewish actor Mila Kunis. Svoboda has sent several members to Ukraine’s Parliament, including one who called the Holocaust a “bright period” in human history, according to Foreign Policy.

Just as disturbing, neo-Nazis are part of some of Ukraine’s growing ranks of volunteer battalions. They are battle-hardened after waging some of the toughest street fighting against Moscow-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine following Putin’s Crimean invasion in 2014. One is the Azov Battalion, founded by an avowed white supremacist who claimed Ukraine’s national purpose was to rid the country of Jews and other inferior races. In 2018, the U.S. Congress stipulated that its aid to Ukraine couldn’t be used “to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.” Even so, Azov is now an official member of the Ukraine National Guard.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946
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You have yet to convincingly establish a connection between Azov and Neo-Nazis. You're just relying on the innuendo, but you have no proof because you're a propagandist.
 
dukkha said:
Far-right groups have also gained political currency in the past decade, none more chilling than Svoboda
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At the last parliamentary election, Svoboda got ONE member of parliament elected out of 450. In the 2019 presidential election, Svoboda's candidate got 1.6% of the national vote.

If you think Ukraine has a neo-Nazi problem, Putin's Russia has one in spades:

Leaders of the Donetsk People's Republic are closely linked to the neo-Nazi party Russian National Unity (RNU). A member of RNU, Pavel Gubarev, was the first "governor" of the Donetsk People's Republic. Volunteers from several other Russian far-right groups have joined the separatist militias, including members of the Eurasian Youth Union and the Russian Imperial Movement. Other neo-Nazi groups fighting as part of the Donetsk People's Republic include the 'Svarozhich', 'Rusich' and 'Ratibor' battalions, which have Slavic swastikas on their badges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#Ukraine

But we don't hear so much about that.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
But we don't hear so much about that.
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because it's much more then just Svoboda (outlawed)

Are there really neo-Nazis fighting for Ukraine? Well, yes — but it's a long story
https://www.salon.com/2022/03/10/ar...g-for-ukraine-well-yes--but-its-a-long-story/
n the context of the Russian invasion, the post-2014 Ukrainian government's problematic relations with extreme right-wing groups and neo-Nazi parties has become an incendiary element on both sides of the propaganda war, with Russia exaggerating it as a pretext for war and the West trying to sweep it under the carpet.

The reality behind the propaganda is that the West and its Ukrainian allies have opportunistically exploited and empowered the extreme right in Ukraine, first to pull off the 2014 coup and then by redirecting it to fight separatists in eastern Ukraine.

As formerly peaceful protests in Kyiv gave way to pitched battles with police and violent, armed marches to try to break through police barricades and reach the Parliament building, Svoboda members and the newly-formed Right Sector militia, led by Dmytro Yarosh, battled police, spearheaded marches and raided a police armory for weapons. By mid-February 2014, these men with guns were the de facto leaders of the Maidan movement.

We will never know what kind of political transition peaceful protests alone might have produced in Ukraine, or how different the new government would have been if a peaceful political process had been allowed to take its course without interference by the U.S. or violent right-wing extremists.

But it was Yarosh who took to the stage in the Maidan and rejected the Feb. 21, 2014 agreement negotiated by the French, German and Polish foreign ministers, under which President Viktor Yanukovych and opposition political leaders agreed to hold new elections later that year. Instead, Yarosh and Right Sector refused to disarm and led the climactic march on Parliament that overthrew the government.
 
After the coup, Right Sector helped to consolidate the new order by attacking and breaking up anti-coup protests, in what their leader Yarosh described to Newsweek as a "war" to "cleanse the country" of pro-Russian protesters. This campaign climaxed on May 2 with the massacre of 42 anti-coup protesters in a fiery inferno, after they took shelter from Right Sector attackers in the Trades Unions House in Odessa.

After anti-coup protests evolved into declarations of independence in Donetsk and Luhansk, the extreme right in Ukraine shifted gear to full-scale armed combat.
The Ukrainian military had little enthusiasm for fighting its own people, so the government formed new National Guard units to do so.

Right Sector formed a battalion, and neo-Nazis also dominated the Azov Battalion, which was founded by Andriy Biletsky, an avowed white supremacist who claimed that Ukraine's national purpose was to rid the country of Jews and other inferior races. It was the Azov battalion that led the post-coup government's assault on the self-declared republics and retook the city of Mariupol from separatist forces.
https://www.salon.com/2022/03/10/ar...g-for-ukraine-well-yes--but-its-a-long-story/
 
So Putin hasn't "banned free press, bans opposition, arrests opposition leader?" The better question would be when did Putin not " ban free press, ban opposition, arrests opposition leader?"

Who's the Nazi?
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Well it didn't work, did it? Lol.
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not for lack of trying.
the point you gloss over is Ukraine is a fucked up,corrupt,anti-democratic neo-nazi infected shithole

It doesnt excuse Putin invasion,but this BS play Zelensky is running that he is some kind of beacon for freedom and democracy is swallowed whole by Biden and most of Congress

I doubt anyone recalls but during Impeachment 1.0 i made it clear supporting Ukraine economically
and militarily is not in our own national interest because of this and more

Now all anyone has to say ii "Putin" and we send a shitload more over..Now it's artillery

fuck Ukraine. they and NATO set the stage for this, and we are sucked into their crappy country
by stupid Russiaphobes
 
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