You do realize he has gone full fascist in his speeches

noise said:
You are blind to this promise of globalization=free trade. Free trade happens when we can enforce our agreements
Not thru some 3rd party dispute mechanism that may or may not be responsive -but by our own enforcement of provisions negotiated
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An independent mechanism to judge disputes is a necessity.

And you might not be on board with globalization, but China is. So is the EU.

So you're deliberately hurting our position and the leverage we can wield to give China and the EU a global advantage. As they expand into emerging markets, you want to pull us back. So by pulling back and isolating ourselves, we've created a void in global trade that will be filled by China and the EU.

All because you want to live in a homogenized bubble. Isolationism is how we lose the trade battles and wars.


China has shown the folly of globalization. They become trading partners that are basically rogue
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And you've helped them by removing the US from the TPP, which would have let its member nations counter that aggressive Chinese posture by leveraging the trade pact with the US.

Stupid, stupid, stupid. You think you're helping us with this nonsense, but you're really hurting us globally.
 
noise said:
I love how you parrot out some established point and then tell me I don't understand.
What you miss is we are in trade talks with China,and it's not just about the balance of trade -
we are tying in IP theft and China forcing foreign venture partners to share any technology to market in China.
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So what sense does it then make to strip smaller economies of their ability to leverage the US in their negotiations with China.

You screech about China's aggressive posture, but then oppose anything that could dramatically weaken their bargaining position and power.

You're shooting yourself in the foot out of spite and fear. It's stupid. You're being stupid.

We are never going to return to the days of colonial US where a small handful of kingdoms control all the economic activity in the world.

THAT IS NOT GOING TO EVER HAPPEN.

So instead of fondly looking back on a time that never really existed the way you think, you change and adapt to current trends in order to position the US to have maximum leverage in global trade, and to gain trade allies to act as a bulwark against aggressive Chinese and EU trade posturing.
 
noise said:
How could we do that if we were not negotiating a bi-lateral agreement?
Chile (ex.) might not care about IP theft, being as they aren't a country that produces a lot of R&D.
Any they certainly would not care about forming joint ventures with a Chinese partner.
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All of this is a concern, yes, but you're not going to extract these concessions out of China if you're ceding global trade to them and the EU.

You get that, right? By isolating the US' economy, you are removing the leverage other nations have to counteract aggressive Chinese and EU trade postures.

We need allies, and TPP was what gained us 10 allies on trade. So the 11 member countries could leverage that trade partnership in their negotiations with China and the EU.

By pulling out of TPP, you've sent the message to China that we're conceding the trade issue with the 10 other TPP countries to them, and that we're essentially leaving those other 10 countries to strike out on their own with China because they lack the leverage to negotiate good deals.

Your position is short-sighted, isolationist, and ultimately harmful to US trade interests.
 
LV426 said:
All of this is a concern, yes, but you're not going to extract these concessions out of China if you're ceding global trade to them and the EU.

You get that, right? By isolating the US' economy, you are removing the leverage other nations have to counteract aggressive Chinese and EU trade postures.

We need allies, and TPP was what gained us 10 allies on trade. So the 11 member countries could leverage that trade partnership in their negotiations with China and the EU.

By pulling out of TPP, you've sent the message to China that we're conceding the trade issue with the 10 other TPP countries to them, and that we're essentially leaving those other 10 countries to strike out on their own with China because they lack the leverage to negotiate good deals.

Your position is short-sighted, isolationist, and ultimately harmful to US trade interests.
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you can continue your fantasy about "what about the TPP" but it's a dead letter. Talk about reality.

China is determined to supplant the US in global leadership and commerce -Made in China 2025.
We were headed that way with our slow recovery. We just hit another 3.5% GDP -for sure we;ll get above 3% for the year.
That's allowing us to pressure the Chinese export economy.
They are going to fight all out though -Xi's political future depends on it
 
Rune said:
Idiot.
Americans don't emulate communists.

I don't have to prove why to you.
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are you kidding? We welcome China into the WTO and treat the "Communists" with utmost respect.
We push back on their hegemony,but not their economy

You don't have to prove anything except your position "we don't emulate commies" is meaningless
 
kudzu said:
Nearly every one of the original settlements (colonies) was set up by a corporation..
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Which you think is somehow relevant to my comment which you quoted?
Surprised that this fact which was very influential in the forming of the country isn't more well known.
 
LV426 said:
No it hasn't.

More jobs were lost to robots than to China.

It's not China that is eating jobs; it's robotics and AI.

All the trade deals in the world aren't going to change that trend.

Time to grow up and join the 21st century.
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I love it.
Do not bother with trade agreements to reduce outsourcing because of da robots. OK sure. whatever
 
noise said:
are you kidding? We welcome China into the WTO and treat the "Communists" with utmost respect.
We push back on their hegemony,but not their economy

You don't have to prove anything except your position "we don't emulate commies" is meaningless
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It is only meaningless to you because you don't know what it means you stupid pinko hippie.

Go stuff yourself.
 
noise said:
I love it. Do not bother with trade agreements to reduce outsourcing because of da robots. OK sure. whatever
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Outsourcing isn't what's eating up jobs; robotics and AI are.

It's been happening for decades, most notably in the auto sector.
 
noise said:
China is determined to supplant the US in global leadership and commerce -Made in China 2025.
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So to combat that, your plan is to...be isolationist and anti-globalization.

So how are you going to combat Chinese desires by retreating away from multilateral deals?

Have you ever negotiated for anything in your life?
 
noise said:
We were headed that way with our slow recovery. We just hit another 3.5% GDP -for sure we;ll get above 3% for the year.
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Don't be so sure of that.

Dropping to 3.5% GDP growth is not good, particularly after shooting the demand wad in Q2 to avoid the tariffs.

The market has already started seeing the hit and is down or flat for the year.

That's because profits in Q3 didn't match those in Q1 and Q2 because of the Russia Tax Cut.

So now, large firms are reporting lowered earnings, which is causing a sell-off.

The last time we had a sell-off like this, we had the Great Bush Recession.
 
noise said:
That's allowing us to pressure the Chinese export economy.
They are going to fight all out though -Xi's political future depends on it
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No they're not. The growth we have is not good, and was bolstered by a rush to get product out ahead of the tariffs.

The market's already showing the weakness of the economy. We're down for the year.
 
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