Women Need To Carry Guns When Going Out Alone.

ThatOwlWoman said:
to the U.S. government with all its tanks, jets, and WMDs.
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the only delusionals that believe the US Government is going to come after its populace with tanks, jets, and WMDs are those that want the US Government to attack part of the US populace with tanks, jets, and WMDs. where does that put you?
 
dear fucking idiot


a hostile asshole will just choose another person to victimize


they want a lone victim


my dogs would not run away


and if I am walking my four dogs totaling around 300lbs


it would back off any attacker

fuck you very much
 
evince said:
dear fucking idiot


a hostile asshole will just choose another person to victimize


they want a lone victim


my dogs would not run away


and if I am walking my four dogs totaling around 300lbs


it would back off any attacker

fuck you very much
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ROFLMAO i don't usually wish bad things to happen to people, but i really would love to be there when your dogs fail you. i'll bet you beat the shit out of them if you survive, won't you?
 
evince said:
dear fucking idiot


a hostile asshole will just choose another person to victimize


they want a lone victim


my dogs would not run away


and if I am walking my four dogs totaling around 300lbs


it would back off any attacker

fuck you very much
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Bad news, wackjob. You have to stay in the insane asylum another 15 - 20 years.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
ROFLMAO i don't usually wish bad things to happen to people, but i really would love to be there when your dogs fail you. i'll bet you beat the shit out of them if you survive, won't you?
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I would kill you fucking dead if you tried to attacked me

FUCKING DEAD
 
Norah said:
A gun can mean the difference between life and death if you are able to use it to protect yourself. I’m a small person and so if a large man tried to assault me or was being very threatening to me then a gun would instantly change the odds in my favor if I’m able to have it between him and me. Without it then I’d physically be at his mercy unless I had another weapon or am able to hit, bite, or kick him in a place that would give me a chance to escape. So I get it from a females point of view.
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Guns can also go off accidentally.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Guns in america are symbols of the liberty americans sat on their asses and watched stripped away from them as they polished their guns.
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Yes. It's fascinating how many of those who insist private gun ownership is needed to keep the government in line are perfectly content to line up behind a lawless authoritarian like Donald Trump. I think it's more about keeping "those people" in line. There's a reason gun culture runs so much stronger in the old confederacy than the old union.
 
Norah said:
A gun can mean the difference between life and death if you are able to use it to protect yourself.
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It can also mean the difference between death and life if it results in the escalation of a non-deadly situation into a deadly one, or results in an accidental shooting.

I’m a small person and so if a large man tried to assault me or was being very threatening to me then a gun would instantly change the odds in my favor if I’m able to have it between him and me.
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That "if" is a big one, though. If you're the aggressor, a gun is fantastic. You can draw it on a man before he even knows what's happening, and you've got him at your mercy. But if he's the aggressor, there's a whole lot less chance of you getting the gun between the two of you. That's the kind of scenario you're likely to see if, say, you were out jogging alone. A man assaulting you in that situation isn't likely to give you time to retrieve a gun, any more than to retrieve your phone and call 911. Your gun will be his gun in short order.

If people carrying guns in such situations tended to make them safer, what we'd expect to see is a statistical correlation between concealed carry and lower violent crime. But the correlation runs the other way:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/right-to-carry-gun-violence/531297/

Because guns put such huge emphasis on possession of the initiative, they have a tendency to turn non-deadly situations deadly. If you've got a gun on hand, you can't wait around until the other person makes a definitively violent move, or it's already too late for the gun to help. If, for example, some strange guy is rapidly approaching you, you only have a moment to draw and point that weapon if you want it to matter. But if you draw, and he has a gun, then he also is in a life-or-death situation where he has only a moment to draw and shoot. Or, if he doesn't have a gun, he has a second to move for yours in hopes of disarming you, potentially resulting in one of you getting shot. A misunderstanding that may not have actually been threatening at all can turn into a deadly one in just a moment.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the only delusionals that believe the US Government is going to come after its populace with tanks, jets, and WMDs are those that want the US Government to attack part of the US populace with tanks, jets, and WMDs. where does that put you?
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Your scenario doesn't fit what I believe.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
there are places to find some statistics. it then becomes a matter of people considering biased or anecdotal....depending upon their internal views of guns.

my view is that the sense of security, real security or false, is purely a matter of ones confidence and training, as well as the desire of a potential criminal to deal with an armed individual. i've seen and been part of incidents where the mere sight of an openly carried handgun has likely deterred an act of violence.
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I wouldn't be surprised if occasionally the sight of an openly carried handgun deterred an act of violence. I also wouldn't be surprised if the sight of an openly carried handgun had even more often encouraged an act of violence. Guns are valuable consumer items, and they have especially enhanced value to criminals if they can get their hands on one without creating a record of ownership. So, an isolated woman openly carrying a handgun might be attractive as a target for crime by some who wouldn't even bother with her if she wasn't carrying that big temptation on her. It's a bit like carrying a new iPhone in your hand -- a lot of shady people are going to see it and want it, and if you don't have a lot of physical strength, there's not much you'll be able to do to keep them from taking it.
 
Norah said:
Sure, but most responsible gun owners will be as safe as possible. I’d still rather take the chance of a rare accident than be relatively defenseless.
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Accidents are pretty common. About 7,000 people are killed per year in this country by accidental shootings. That's as much death every five months as the 9/11 attackers managed to cause. It's a pretty significant consideration. Add to that the tens of thousands seriously wounded. Having guns also puts you and those close to you at higher risk of suicide, since it shortens the time between a suicidal impulse and an act with a high probability of ending your life, with little hope for rescue.

It's all a balancing act. Are the very rare cases where having a gun makes a positive difference more important than the cases where it makes a negative difference? That'll differ based on the individual circumstances, but on average, it appears guns make people less safe, based on various studies.

Some information to consider:

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...un-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed/
https://www.vox.com/cards/gun-violence-facts/gun-house-death-risk
http://lawcenter.giffords.org/guns-in-the-homesafe-storage-statistics/#footnote_5_6247
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/right-to-carry-gun-violence/531297/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

That's not to say that guns are bad. There are lots of things that put people at greater risk of death -- having a staircase in your home, having a swimming pool, riding a motorcycle, living in a rural area, eating red meat, etc. If what you get out of having a gun is enjoyable enough that you're willing to accept the greater risk associated with it, that's fine. But if you're assuming having a gun makes you safer, chances are it doesn't.
 
Norah said:
Sure, but most responsible gun owners will be as safe as possible. I’d still rather take the chance of a rare accident than be relatively defenseless.
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You're less than relatively defenseless with that gun. Having it places you at greater risk from being harmed by it rather than protected by it.
 
Oneuli said:
Yes. It's fascinating how many of those who insist private gun ownership is needed to keep the government in line are perfectly content to line up behind a lawless authoritarian like Donald Trump. I think it's more about keeping "those people" in line. There's a reason gun culture runs so much stronger in the old confederacy than the old union.
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for a large part of the 'conservative' population, this is correct. but do not forget the near silent individualists who do not support republicans or democrats. those of us who are former active military. we are the ones who will make the difference.
 
Firearms / gun carry - mode of carry:

Condition 0 - A cartridge in the chamber, the hammer cocked, and the safety off.
Condition 1 - Also called "cocked and locked", this means that a round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the manual thumb safety is on.
Condition 2 - A round is in the chamber, the hammer is uncocked.
Condition 3 - There is no round in the chamber, the hammer is uncocked but a fully loaded magazine is inserted in the mag well.
Condition 4 - The chamber is empty, the hammer is uncocked and there is no magazine inserted in the mag well: source - Thorsen
 
Oneuli said:
It can also mean the difference between death and life if it results in the escalation of a non-deadly situation into a deadly one, or results in an accidental shooting.
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are you one of those that would rather be raped than have a gun used in your rescue?

Oneuli said:
That "if" is a big one, though. If you're the aggressor, a gun is fantastic. You can draw it on a man before he even knows what's happening, and you've got him at your mercy. But if he's the aggressor, there's a whole lot less chance of you getting the gun between the two of you. That's the kind of scenario you're likely to see if, say, you were out jogging alone. A man assaulting you in that situation isn't likely to give you time to retrieve a gun, any more than to retrieve your phone and call 911. Your gun will be his gun in short order.
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i hear this alot, but if that is truly the case, then why do we let cops have weapons if the bad guys are always going to draw on them first??

Oneuli said:
If people carrying guns in such situations tended to make them safer, what we'd expect to see is a statistical correlation between concealed carry and lower violent crime. But the correlation runs the other way:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/right-to-carry-gun-violence/531297/

Because guns put such huge emphasis on possession of the initiative, they have a tendency to turn non-deadly situations deadly. If you've got a gun on hand, you can't wait around until the other person makes a definitively violent move, or it's already too late for the gun to help. If, for example, some strange guy is rapidly approaching you, you only have a moment to draw and point that weapon if you want it to matter. But if you draw, and he has a gun, then he also is in a life-or-death situation where he has only a moment to draw and shoot. Or, if he doesn't have a gun, he has a second to move for yours in hopes of disarming you, potentially resulting in one of you getting shot. A misunderstanding that may not have actually been threatening at all can turn into a deadly one in just a moment.
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see above.
 
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