Why do liberals hate disabled people?

Thor said:
Solitary,

Liberals will appease the disabled before they kill them.

I contend that we've already witnessed the beginning of the massacre.

How else do you explain Terri Schiavo? THINK about it. Her parents PLEADED for her life, and offered to take FULL responsibility of caring for their daughter. But in the end, the liberal EX-husband got what he wanted all along, with the help of liberal judges, liberal politicians, and millions of angry liberals calling for her death. :mad:

Terri was NOT on "life support." If that were truly the case, then logically parents everywhere could starve their children to death, and it would be justified. That just goes to show the level of LUNACY of the far-left. Liberalism is a fucking mental disorder!

These motherfuckers MUST be stopped. :mad:
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When they atopsied Terry Schiavo her brain had shrunk 15% and her optical nerves had died. She was braindead JUST LIKE HER DOCTORS SAID SHE WAS.
 
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When they atopsied Terry Schiavo her brain had shrunk 15% and her optical nerves had died. She was braindead JUST LIKE HER DOCTORS SAID SHE WAS.
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Wrong, asshole. :mad:

People who are brain dead DEPEND on life support. Once they are removed from life support, they die SOON THEREAFTER. Terri, by contrast, starved to death over a period of two weeks. She wasn't dependent upon life support, asshole. She breathed on her own and her heart pumped the same as yours and mine, dumbfuck. :mad:

The LIES of the left never cease to astound me. :mad:
 
Thor said:
Wrong, asshole. :mad:

People who are brain dead DEPEND on life support. Once they are removed from life support, they die SOON THEREAFTER. Terri, by contrast, starved to death over a period of two weeks. She wasn't dependent upon life support, asshole. She breathed on her own and her heart pumped the same as yours and mine, dumbfuck. :mad:

The LIES of the left never cease to astound me. :mad:
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First of all, get an education before you start ranting about things you do not understand.

Terri Schiavo's brain had not just shrunk by 15%, over 15% over her brain had deteriorated into liquid. It was no longer brain matter.

Brain dead people can live on for decades without life support. It depends on what part of the brain is left. In Terri's case, her upper brain was gone or was so damaged it was no longer functional. The part that stored all memory, voluntary movement, intellect and more, was gone. The lower brain (specifically the medulla oblongata) is responsible for the autonomic functions such as heart beat, breathing, digection ect. In Terri Schiavo, this portion of the brain was still functional.

But who a person IS depends on the higher brain functions. And in those, she was dead.



Also, her husband knew what she wanted. It wasn't about what he or her parents wanted. If she made her wishes known, and he and other witnesses said she did, then what they did was the right thing.


You are manufacturing your own facts in order to justify your attack on Darla and all liberals.

When you can justify the conservative battle AGAINST the Americans with Disabilities Act, then you can start calling other people names.
 
LOL Thor loves attention so much.

You're right Thor! I actually only oppose the death penalty for murder, child rape etc. and find it perfectly acceptable for tax evasion, exercising free speech, and being disabled/Jewish. Those are real crimes! You got me figured out.
 
Solitary,

You do realize there is a difference between being brain dead, and being in a persistent vegetative state, do you not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo#PVS_diagnosis_ruling_.E2.80.93_Schiavo_IV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo#Autopsy

Schiavo was not brain dead. People who are brain dead have no ability to interact with their environment; they cannot respond to any stimuli whatsoever. As proven, Terri Schiavo could and did. Thus, those who claim that Terri was "brain dead" are either ignorant, or in league with the communist assholes who are attempting to destroy the moral fabric of our nation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_death#Medical_criteria

Here's an idea, asswipe: how about you actually look into what REALLY happened to Terri Schiavo, and research her condition, instead of simply parroting the radical far-left wackos who cried out for her death in the first place.

Also, her husband knew what she wanted.
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Horseshit.
 
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According to Florida law she was dependent on life support. You don't like it, lobby the state to change the law or just stfu. The court ruled that she would not desire a continuation of life support. Repubs and the religious reich said to hell with the rule of law, separation of powers or any other principle of this republic, their dictates were superior.
 
Thor said:
Solitary,

You do realize there is a difference between being brain dead, and being in a persistent vegetative state, do you not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo#PVS_diagnosis_ruling_.E2.80.93_Schiavo_IV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo#Autopsy

Schiavo was not brain dead. People who are brain dead have no ability to interact with their environment; they cannot respond to any stimuli whatsoever. As proven, Terri Schiavo could and did. Thus, those who claim that Terri was "brain dead" are either ignorant, or in league with the communist assholes who are attempting to destroy the moral fabric of our nation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_death#Medical_criteria

Here's an idea, asswipe: how about you actually look into what REALLY happened to Terri Schiavo, and research her condition, instead of simply parroting the radical far-left wackos who cried out for her death in the first place.



Horseshit.
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I did my research, numbnuts. Try looking at the MEDICAL findings at her autopsy:

"Examination of Schiavo’s nervous system by neuropathologist Stephen J. Nelson, M.D., revealed extensive injury. The brain itself weighed only 615 g, only half the weight expected for a female of her age, height, and weight, an effect caused by the loss of a massive amount of neurons. Microscopic examination revealed extensive damage to nearly all brain regions, including the cerebral cortex, the thalami, the basal ganglia, the hippocampus, the cerebellum, and the midbrain. The neuropathologic changes in her brain were precisely of the type seen in patients who enter a PVS following cardiac arrest. Throughout the cerebral cortex, the large pyramidal neurons that comprise some 70% of cortical cells – critical to the functioning of the cortex – were completely lost. The pattern of damage to the cortex, with injury tending to worsen from the front of the cortex to the back, is also typical. There was marked damage to important relay circuits deep in the brain (the thalami) – another common pathologic finding in cases of PVS. The damage was, in the words of Thogmartin, "irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons.""


So she was NOT responsive. Her parents WANTED her to be responsive, but she was not.

Over 70% of her cortical cells were completely lost. Those cells would be responsible for her higher brain functions.

Her brain only weighed HALF of what it should have weighed.

Read your own quotes. Its all there. The woman's upper brain was gone. She was not responding.


The woman said to her husband and other friends that she would not want to live that way. This testimony was part of the numerous trials. The courts accepted it, but you WANT it to not be true.
 
Solitary,

My point was only to correct your assertion that Terri Schiavo was brain dead; the fact is, she was not. There is a clear distinction between brain death and PSV. As noted in the Wikipedia article, Terri Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state; she was NOT brain dead. This is supported by the findings in the autopsy. People who are brain dead require machines (respirator, etc.) to maintain their vital functions. Terri Schiavo did not. Terri was the alive to the same degree as you and I. CASE CLOSED.

The reason I opposed the killing of Terri Schiavo is because it was NOT a natural death. If she were brain dead, she would have died very shortly after being removed from life support - she would have died because her body couldn't maintain vital functions. That would be acceptable! But Terri was NOT on life support, and frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what the Florida courts say about that.

The woman said to her husband and other friends that she would not want to live that way. This testimony was part of the numerous trials. The courts accepted it, but you WANT it to not be true.
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There are many reasons to believe Michael Schiavo lied. One reason is the fact that he waited 13 years before making her supposed wishes known. Furthermore, Michael clearly wanted to get "the bitch" (as he called her) out of the way, allowing him to move own with his life. So much for "for better or worse," eh?

In the mid 1990s, according to another nurse's affidavit filed under penalty of perjury, Michael was overheard saying things such as, "When is she going to die," "Has she died yet?" and "When is that bitch going to die?" (Click Here)

In a nutshell, your argument rests on the words of a man who proved himself to be a complete asshole, and who (according to several of Terri's friends) was abusive toward his wife. Also, you apparently believe that we should decide who lives/dies based on the condition of their brain.

Sounds like Naziism to me!

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Thor said:
Solitary,

My point was only to correct your assertion that Terri Schiavo was brain dead; the fact is, she was not. There is a clear distinction between brain death and PSV. As noted in the Wikipedia article, Terri Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state; she was NOT brain dead. This is supported by the findings in the autopsy. People who are brain dead require machines (respirator, etc.) to maintain their vital functions. Terri Schiavo did not. Terri was the alive to the same degree as you and I. CASE CLOSED.

The reason I opposed the killing of Terri Schiavo is because it was NOT a natural death. If she were brain dead, she would have died very shortly after being removed from life support - she would have died because her body couldn't maintain vital functions. That would be acceptable! But Terri was NOT on life support, and frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what the Florida courts say about that.



There are many reasons to believe Michael Schiavo lied. One reason is the fact that he waited 13 years before making her supposed wishes known. Furthermore, Michael clearly wanted to get "the bitch" (as he called her) out of the way, allowing him to move own with his life. So much for "for better or worse," eh?

In the mid 1990s, according to another nurse's affidavit filed under penalty of perjury, Michael was overheard saying things such as, "When is she going to die," "Has she died yet?" and "When is that bitch going to die?" (Click Here)

In a nutshell, your argument rests on the words of a man who proved himself to be a complete asshole, and who (according to several of Terri's friends) was abusive toward his wife. Also, you apparently believe that we should decide who lives/dies based on the condition of their brain.

Sounds like Naziism to me!

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Oh please. Your entire argument is based on the parents wanting their little girl to not be dead.

The doctors said she was not going to get any better. The courts said her husband was legally responsible for his wife's life and that his testimony was valid.

You don't like the outcome, but it was legal.

I called her brain dead for one simple reason. I recognize that who we are is not the body, its the brain and the personality. The part of her that was Terri was gone. Her husband worked for years to take care of her. He did everything humanly possible to bring her back. But she wasn't coming back. She was breathing and her heart was beating but she was totally gone.

You may not like the outcome, but calling it murder is just bullshit.
 
"Terri was the alive to the same degree as you and I. CASE CLOSED.
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Utter nonsense. I am alive, alert and able to respond to people and stimulus.

Terri Schiavo was not.

You claimed that she responded to her parents. But the medical facts dispute that. Her parents were just grasping at straws.
 
Solitary said:
Utter nonsense. I am alive, alert and able to respond to people and stimulus.

Terri Schiavo was not.
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You accused me of being uneducated, but you are the one who continued to insist that Terri was brain dead, even after I had proven you wrong. When are you going to fess up?

So, let me ask you this, fucker. Should we be allowed to kill people who are in a prolonged coma?

You claimed that she responded to her parents. But the medical facts dispute that. Her parents were just grasping at straws.
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Well fucker, I saw the videos, and is was crystal clear to me that she did. But, when it gets down to it, that's a moot point. Why? My reason for opposing her murder doesn't hinge on her ability or lack of ability to respond to her surroundings. The reason I opposed it is because she didn't die a naturally-occurring death. It's not like they removed her from a respirator and she died within a few minutes. No, fucker. They starved her to death. If anything, that is a terrible slippery-slope.
 
Thor said:
You accused me of being uneducated, but you are the one who continued to insist that Terri was brain dead, even after I had proven you wrong. When are you going to fess up?

So, let me ask you this, fucker. Should we be allowed to kill people who are in a prolonged coma?



Well fucker, I saw the videos, and is was crystal clear to me that she did. But, when it gets down to it, that's a moot point. Why? My reason for opposing her murder doesn't hinge on her ability or lack of ability to respond to her surroundings. The reason I opposed it is because she didn't die a naturally-occurring death. It's not like they removed her from a respirator and she died within a few minutes. No, fucker. They starved her to death. If anything, that is a terrible slippery-slope.
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According to Florida law, living on a feeding tube is life support.

Its not a slippery slope. When its clear that someone makes their wishes known, and those wishes are not to live in a persistent vegetative state, that their wishes should be honored.

Not a single judge believed that her husband lied. There is no way to actually know for sure whether he did or not. But since we live in a free society, we let the courts decide. And the courts decided (several times) that she did in fact make her wishes known.

You saw the video that showed her responding? Look at the autopsy results. She was not responding. There may have been some residual nerve response, but SHE was not responding.
 
Thor said:
You accused me of being uneducated, but you are the one who continued to insist that Terri was brain dead, even after I had proven you wrong. When are you going to fess up?

So, let me ask you this, fucker. Should we be allowed to kill people who are in a prolonged coma?



Well fucker, I saw the videos, and is was crystal clear to me that she did. But, when it gets down to it, that's a moot point. Why? My reason for opposing her murder doesn't hinge on her ability or lack of ability to respond to her surroundings. The reason I opposed it is because she didn't die a naturally-occurring death. It's not like they removed her from a respirator and she died within a few minutes. No, fucker. They starved her to death. If anything, that is a terrible slippery-slope.
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Oh, so its ok to remove a breathing tube and watch as the body struggles to breath? To let the body try to get oxygen in, and then die?

But its not ok to let the body slowly die over a period of time, when there is no higher brain with which to register the discomfort?



So its a matter of how long it takes to die? Exactly what is the time limit? Is it hours? Is it days? Is it weeks?
 
"Terri was the alive to the same degree as you and I. CASE CLOSED.
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Brent was half right Sol. He is somewhat brain dead.
 
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I feel for you and your problem, Brent.
 
Thor said:
Don,

Even the most abusive husbands are nice to their wives on occasion.

It's appeasement, just as Hitler appeased the homosexuals...right before he killed them.

The fact is, virtually all insensitivity toward disabled people is coming from the left. It is particularly despicable to taunt the injuries of a man who served his country honorably. Don't you agree?
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sigh, is it that 'liberals' are abusing your man that you have posted this unsubstantiated comment or do you have other proof


what have conservatives done for the disabled in general Vs what 'liberals' have done or should i say dems Vs reps:pke:
 
Thor said:
Solitary,

Liberals will appease the disabled before they kill them.

I contend that we've already witnessed the beginning of the massacre.

How else do you explain Terri Schiavo? THINK about it. Her parents PLEADED for her life, and offered to take FULL responsibility of caring for their daughter. But in the end, the liberal EX-husband got what he wanted all along, with the help of liberal judges, liberal politicians, and millions of angry liberals calling for her death. :mad:

Terri was NOT on "life support." If that were truly the case, then logically parents everywhere could starve their children to death, and it would be justified. That just goes to show the level of LUNACY of the far-left. Liberalism is a fucking mental disorder!

These motherfuckers MUST be stopped. :mad:
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so brain dead does not count - the upper centers of her brain were dead a long time before her death - the only part of her brain that still functioned was the autonomic portion - the lights were on, but nobody was home - her soul had long since departed
 
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