Who told us "socialized medicine" was bad?

[T. A. Gardner]

profit by any means is an evil ideology.

you suck the cock of evil.

Like the government telling you to do things for free--or else-- is better.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

Like the government telling you to do things for free--or else-- is better.

this has nothing to do with big pharma corrupting all of medicine.

 

[Into the Night]

its the union of state and corporate power.

Redefinition fallacy. Go learn what 'fascism' means.

 

[Into the Night]

fascism is government mandating big pharma products.

big pharma being allowed to pervert science with cash is evil.

Government is not a pharmaceutical company, NoName.
Don't try Magick Words like 'science'. Go learn English.

 

[Into the Night]

this has nothing to do with big pharma corrupting all of medicine.

Buzzword fallacy. What is 'big pharma'?

 

[Crepitus]

Like the government telling you to do things for free--or else-- is better.

WTF are you even talking about?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

WTF are you even talking about?

I'm talking about socialism using a just a bit of exaggeration. But essentially, it's true. In a socialist society the highly successful or productive have to give away much or most of what they produce for no return in order that everyone get the same outcomes. The lazy and stupid benefit in a socialist society from this and in the end, you get an Idiocracy.

 

[Hume]

I'm talking about socialism using a just a bit of exaggeration. But essentially, it's true. In a socialist society the highly successful or productive have to give away much or most of what they produce for no return in order that everyone get the same outcomes. The lazy and stupid benefit in a socialist society from this and in the end, you get an Idiocracy.

You just make up stuff. There is no such thing as "a socialist society."

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You just make up stuff. There is no such thing as "a socialist society."

A socialist society is a society that practices / use socialism as its economic model you 'tard.

 

[Hume]

A socialist society is a society that practices / use socialism as its economic model you 'tard.

So? Every nation using socialism is not the same.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

So? Every nation using socialism is not the same.

They fundamentally are in terms of how socialism works. That is invariable.

 

[Hume]

They fundamentally are in terms of how socialism works. That is invariable.

No. You mentioned no socialist nation.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

No. You mentioned no socialist nation.

 

[Nordberg]

other billionaires to keep accumulating wealth is not a good sales pitch fA socialist society is a society that practices / use socialism as its economic model you 'tard.

Name one. The ones you right-wingers claim are socialist are capitalist like we are. The difference they tax companies and people to provide heathcare and a better safety net. Allowing Trump and other billionaires to keep taking our workers' created profits is not a good sales pitch. You are such a sucker.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Name one. The ones you right-wingers claim are socialist are capitalist like we are. The difference they tax companies and people to provide heathcare and a better safety net. Allowing Trump and other billionaires to keep taking our workers' created profits is not a good sales pitch. You are such a sucker.

Other than you messed up your quote of me, I have never claimed that socialists are capitalists. Socialism, at its core, requires one thing from society: That all members of that society be altruistic.

Since humans by nature are not generally altruistic, and certainly not to the extent needed for socialism to work, what happens in a socialist society is the government takes from those who can, do, and have by force to give what they deem is "fair" to those who won't, can't or are otherwise unproductive.

The workers didn't create profits on their own. Those billionaires invested heavily in buildings, machinery, and other infrastructure to make the workers productive.

 

[AProudLefty]

Other than you messed up your quote of me, I have never claimed that socialists are capitalists. Socialism, at its core, requires one thing from society: That all members of that society be altruistic.

Since humans by nature are not generally altruistic, and certainly not to the extent needed for socialism to work, what happens in a socialist society is the government takes from those who can, do, and have by force to give what they deem is "fair" to those who won't, can't or are otherwise unproductive.

The workers didn't create profits on their own. Those billionaires invested heavily in buildings, machinery, and other infrastructure to make the workers productive.

So mixed economy works. Regulated at that.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm talking about socialism using a just a bit of exaggeration. But essentially, it's true. In a socialist society the highly successful or productive have to give away much or most of what they produce for no return in order that everyone get the same outcomes. The lazy and stupid benefit in a socialist society from this and in the end, you get an Idiocracy.

Socialism can only exist by stealing from others. Capitalism must be available for socialism to steal from or it eventually collapses, once there is nothing left to steal.

Those that can flee, do so. They are successful enough to afford to leave. They are the productive ones.
All that is left, as you say, is the idiocracy.

 

[Into the Night]

You just make up stuff. There is no such thing as "a socialist society."

There certainly is, Hugo. Examples are China, North Korea, Cuba, the SDTC, the SOTNY, Iran.

 

[Into the Night]

So? Every nation using socialism is not the same.

The result of socialism is always the same, Hugo.

* Theft of wealth by government.
* Productive members flee.
* Idiocracy.
* Slavery.
* Collapse.

...and misery all the way.

 

[Into the Night]

No. You mentioned no socialist nation.

Nations and regions where socialism is predominant, just to name a few:

North Korea. Cuba. Iran. The SDTC. The SOTNY. China.