Who told us "socialized medicine" was bad?

Nordberg said:
Name one. The ones you right-wingers claim are socialist are capitalist like we are. The difference they tax companies and people to provide heathcare and a better safety net. Allowing Trump and other billionaires to keep taking our workers' created profits is not a good sales pitch. You are such a sucker.
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North Korea is not capitalist. Cuba is not capitalist. China is predominantly socialist. The SDTC is socialist. The SOTNY is predominantly socialist.

Capitalism is not socialism, Sybil. Communism doesn't work, Sybil.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Other than you messed up your quote of me, I have never claimed that socialists are capitalists. Socialism, at its core, requires one thing from society: That all members of that society be altruistic.

Since humans by nature are not generally altruistic, and certainly not to the extent needed for socialism to work, what happens in a socialist society is the government takes from those who can, do, and have by force to give what they deem is "fair" to those who won't, can't or are otherwise unproductive.

The workers didn't create profits on their own. Those billionaires invested heavily in buildings, machinery, and other infrastructure to make the workers productive.
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The only profit a worker makes is his own, in the form of a wage.

It doesn't take a billionaire to run a company. There are plenty of examples of successful people that started their own company. They aren't billionaires, but they make a profit.

Yes...it is the business owner that hires the workers to help make the company profitable.

This is capitalism...the voluntary creation of products and services for sale at the agreed upon price and terms. Capitalism is the only system that creates wealth. Anyone can play. All you need is innovation and drive. This creates new products, better made products, lower cost products. It is the only system that can bring up the poor so they are not poor anymore.

Socialism steals wealth. It creates poor. It creates misery. In the end, it always collapses and fails, but creates tremendous misery on the way.

There is nothing altruistic about getting your wealth stolen.
 
Into the Night said:
Is it? The nose of the camel is in the tent, dude.

There is never any justification for stealing wealth. Not even 'small doses of it', as you put it.
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the government has forced the world to use these death products and suppressed real medicine and warped reality to accommodate big pharma profits.

this is fascism, the "bad" kind.

please shut your idiot mouth.
 
Into the Night said:
North Korea is not capitalist. Cuba is not capitalist. China is predominantly socialist. The SDTC is socialist. The SOTNY is predominantly socialist.

Capitalism is not socialism, Sybil. Communism doesn't work, Sybil.
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your missing fascism from your vocabulary. it makes you unable to process reality.

use "crony capitalism" as a replacement if it helps you.
 
Tobytone said:
You are correct sir. @Nordberg said the same thing. I responded with the same challenge. I call it a 'challenge', but it shouldn't be anything close to a challenge.

I never find it challenging to defend anything I say here, and I'm quite sure you wouldn't find that difficult either. Maybe that's because those of us on the sane side of the arguments actually know the meaning of the words we use and select them for that very reason.

Libtards? They're drones that parrot what they're told, they have no idea what they're saying, it's not important to them. They get virtue points for saying them.

Sort of like a dog getting a treat for obeying his master. The more times they obediently follow directions the more treats they get. Tell a dog to sit, if he's well trained, he sits. He then gets a treat. (Virtue points)

Ask the dog why he was told to sit, the dog will answer just like a libtards does. What's that? Jakey and Nordy just showed us. I could almost see them tilting their heads just like a dog that doesn't understand. Huh?? They have no idea.
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you're too stupid to know when you lost.

the collusin between big pharma and goverment is textbook evil fascism.
 
Nordberg said:
In fact, they get medicines worked on in medical schools. They are far from creating drugs. They buy up small companies that do research and sell the drugs at incredible markups. They offshore the drug manufacturing.
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but the corruption of all medicine and government collusion are the worst things.
 
Into the Night said:
The only profit a worker makes is his own, in the form of a wage.

It doesn't take a billionaire to run a company. There are plenty of examples of successful people that started their own company. They aren't billionaires, but they make a profit.

Yes...it is the business owner that hires the workers to help make the company profitable.

This is capitalism...the voluntary creation of products and services for sale at the agreed upon price and terms. Capitalism is the only system that creates wealth. Anyone can play. All you need is innovation and drive. This creates new products, better made products, lower cost products. It is the only system that can bring up the poor so they are not poor anymore.

Socialism steals wealth. It creates poor. It creates misery. In the end, it always collapses and fails, but creates tremendous misery on the way.

There is nothing altruistic about getting your wealth stolen.
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but your average entrepeneur doesn't have the billions it takes to pervert reality so their poison is forced down humanity's throat.

dumb pollyanna.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Universal healthcare is a disaster. Using insurance to pay for routine healthcare is a disaster. Don't let some blonde bimbo in a shitmobile tell you differently.
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Priventative health care is such a "diaster" that insurance plans cover it for free. Well, it's not exactly "free" since premiums have skyrocketed since most providers/hospitals now are for-profit. Why do you think health insurance company CEOs make such huge salaries?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Prove to me that socialized medicine works. Remember, I already have answers that demolish the usual Leftist drivel on this.
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Not hard to do. Medicare has been utilized for 60 years now. I've had it for seven of those years and like it far better than the employer-supplied plans I had prior to that. Getting appointments is no harder, payments to providers are timely, my out-of-pocket is affordable. I have to get monthly eye injections to stave off blindness. Each one is more than $2,000. My copay is ~$400. My copay for breast cancer diagnosis, surgery, and follow up was a couple thousand. I don't have to wait months for appointments. My scripts cost nothing.

I'm joined by millions who use Medicare and are satisfied with it. I'd like to see all citizens covered.

My youngest has MS and employer-supplied health insurance. Every time a test is ordered, or her meds are changed, her physicians have to argue with the insurance company which doesn't want to cover it. Her deductible is so high that she has to pay out of pocket for her annual brain MRI that checks for progression/remission. We helped her pay for the recent one. Her husband's late aunt also had MS. She did not have these hassles with Medicare.
 
Ichabod Stain said:
you're too stupid to know when you lost.

the collusin between big pharma and goverment is textbook evil fascism.
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Wow, you really are a desperately lonely crazy crack smoking moron, aren't you? I know you love the word fascist, but just because you like how a word sounds or looks doesn't mean you should use it for anything you disagree with. When you do, you expose just how stupid you really are. Go make a friend and start a study group for the English language. I just trying to help, again.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I'm talking about socialism using a just a bit of exaggeration. But essentially, it's true. In a socialist society the highly successful or productive have to give away much or most of what they produce for no return in order that everyone get the same outcomes. The lazy and stupid benefit in a socialist society from this and in the end, you get an Idiocracy.
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LOL, no. You are confusing socialism with communism.
 
Tobytone said:
Wow, you really are a desperately lonely crazy crack smoking moron, aren't you? I know you love the word fascist, but just because you like how a word sounds or looks doesn't mean you should use it for anything you disagree with. When you do, you expose just how stupid you really are. Go make a friend and start a study group for the English language. I just trying to help, again.
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no argument offered.

now go eat your morning shit flakes.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Prove to me that socialized medicine works. Remember, I already have answers that demolish the usual Leftist drivel on this.
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Every developed nation in the world uses it except us.

Every developed nation in the world has longer life spans and lower medical bankruptcy rates than us.

Better outcomes at less expense. It's just facts.

UYes, I know you're gonna find one guy who's pissed off about wait times or blames the death of his great aunt Sally on the system but anecdotes are not proof. The proof is in the numbers and the numbers say socialized medica works.
 
Yakuda said:
So you make life decisions based on what this dame says? That tells us all we need to know.
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No, Son. She agrees with me and since you kids put so much stock in appearance I thought maybe letting her say it for me would make more of an impression.
 
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