What we Know About the Wire Tapping

anatta said:
I was reading thru your BBC link..all this is very clear how it went down

1. Neither Mr Trump nor his associates are named in the Fisa order, which would only cover foreign citizens or foreign entities - in this case the Russian banks. But ultimately, the investigation is looking for transfers of money from Russia to the United States, each one, if proved, a felony offence.

2. A lawyer- outside the Department of Justice but familiar with the case - told me that three of Mr Trump's associates were the subject of the inquiry. "But it's clear this is about Trump," he said.

3.I spoke to all three of those identified by this source. All of them emphatically denied any wrongdoing. "Hogwash," said one. "Bullshit," said another. Of the two Russian banks, one denied any wrongdoing, while the other did not respond to a request for comment.

4.The investigation was active going into the election. During that period, the leader of the Democrats in the Senate, Harry Reid, wrote to the director of the FBI, accusing him of holding back "explosive information" about Mr Trump.
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and it fits Harry Reid's character he would want raw sleezey dossier released by Comey.
Notice this was all before the election- this is how they were out to get Trump
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the bbc only assumed its the banks because they think fisa will not apply to american citizens.
 
what a trip down memory lane: All the Clintonistas and all the IC slaphappy Russia hystericals,
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In a New York Times op-ed in August, the former director of the CIA, Michael Morell, wrote: "In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr Putin had recruited Mr Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation."
Agent; puppet - both terms imply some measure of influence or control by Moscow.

Michael Hayden, former head of both the CIA and the NSA, simply called Mr Trump a "polezni durak" - a useful fool.
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1 Mike Morrell headed the CIA when Bengazi happened. Afterwards he got some kind of Clinton hit squad job
2 Michael Hayden is the NSA dweeb= he's the one that comes up with all the malware espionage ops.
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Former CIA Director Who ALTERED BENGHAZI TALKING POINTS TO BENEFIT OBAMA Endorses Hillary
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...alking-points-benefit-obama-endorses-hillary/
On September 15, 2012 Morell received information from the CIA Station Chief in Benghazi that there was NEVER a protest the night of the terrorist attack. Morell later viewed video of the terrorist attack showing NO PROTEST. Morell later said the FBI changed the talking points to say there was a protest. He lied. He changed the talking points to benefit the Obama administration.
 
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tsuke said:
In essence what happened is that the wire tap for their political opponent was initially declined then the obama admin shopped around until they found a judge that would grant it :)

Thats a major incumbent advantage :P
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LOL. Shopped around? There are 11 Fisa court judges and every one of them was appointed by John Roberts.
 
tsuke said:
If you shop around you can find a judge to agree with you on anything :) You just have to find the right one.

The first judge said lol no so the Obama admin went around till they found a friendly one.
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BS! According to the BBC there were only two judges for the three requests. There is no proof of shopping for judges, nor is their real opportunity for it.

You are a liar. You make shit up and present it as truth.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
BS! According to the BBC there were only two judges for the three requests. There is no proof of shopping for judges, nor is their real opportunity for it.

You are a liar. You make shit up and present it as truth.
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the judge shopping is weak, the fact it had to be morenarrowly drawn is significant in that FISA is usually like a grand jury for indictment..

What I find interesting is that it's"bullshit" according to the FISA targets, but it's a neat back door way to investigate Trump - probably for election dumps,since Harry Reid was aware of it
 
Jarod said:
So it appears even by your own admission Obama himself did none of the wiretapping? Right?


If a FISA judge issued a warrant, and there was probable cause I would have had no problem with Trump being bugged, just because he is a presidential candidate does not make him above the law.

We dont have to worry about that because it is becoming more and more clear it did not happen.
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all presidential candidates should be wiretapped by the opposing party......
 
Jarod said:
So you are claiming a Federal Judge agreed with the FBI that there was Probable Cause to say Rump or others in his campaign were in violation of the law?
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as all lawyers know, no warrants are ever granted unless the Defendant has been convicted.........you do realize that if they found anything they really screwed up by not revealing it before Hillary got her ass beat, right?.......

(changed the color of the text in case some libtard is stupid enough to think that wasn't sarcasm.......
 
anatta said:
the judge shopping is weak, the fact it had to be morenarrowly drawn is significant in that FISA is usually like a grand jury for indictment..

What I find interesting is that it's"bullshit" according to the FISA targets, but it's a neat back door way to investigate Trump - probably for election dumps,since Harry Reid was aware of it
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You know, the more I think about I'm starting to wonder if Trump's Tweet was intended to blow the lid off the Russian conspiracy.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
BS! According to the BBC there were only two judges for the three requests. There is no proof of shopping for judges, nor is their real opportunity for it.

You are a liar. You make shit up and present it as truth.
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the first request was denied even upon resubmittal so they tried with a different judge.
 
tsuke said:
the first request was denied even upon resubmittal so they tried with a different judge.
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I also understand that it's unusual for FISA to turn down a request.

Which speaks to the state of the evidence they had on Trump: whatever it was, it didn't constitute probable cause in the opinion of the court.

So they refined the October[!] request in the hopes they could get a warrant granted to find...something...anything...to help Hillary beat Trump with.
 
anatta said:
the judge shopping is weak, the fact it had to be morenarrowly drawn is significant in that FISA is usually like a grand jury for indictment..

What I find interesting is that it's"bullshit" according to the FISA targets, but it's a neat back door way to investigate Trump - probably for election dumps,since Harry Reid was aware of it
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probable cause is not that high of a standard. The fact that they had to abandon the first judge and bring in a second speaks volumes.

They are lucky the second one agreed so they didnt have to bring in a third.

If they werent determined to wiretap the trump campaign they would have just accepted the first decision.
 
Jarod said:
So it appears even by your own admission Obama himself did none of the wiretapping? Right?


If a FISA judge issued a warrant, and there was probable cause I would have had no problem with Trump being bugged, just because he is a presidential candidate does not make him above the law.

We dont have to worry about that because it is becoming more and more clear it did not happen.
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Nobody said Obama physically did it. He knew about it though. Unless of course you think he was ignorant and had a rogue administration?
 
The liberal mind

In one sentence they claim they have transcripts that prove Trump colluded to snatch victory from Hillary

In the next they say Trump wasn't being spied on

How can both be true?
 
according to the federalist in between 2009 and 2015 1 request was rejected by the FISA court. Out of 10000.

Yet Obama had to find another judge when he tried to wire tap the republican candidate.
 
tsuke said:
probable cause is not that high of a standard. The fact that they had to abandon the first judge and bring in a second speaks volumes.

They are lucky the second one agreed so they didnt have to bring in a third.

If they werent determined to wiretap the trump campaign they would have just accepted the first decision.
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You have no support for your claims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court#FISA_warrants

If an application is denied by one judge of the court, the federal government is not allowed to make the same application to a different judge of the court, but may appeal to the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review. Such appeals are rare: the first appeal from the FISC to the Court of Review was made in 2002 (In re Sealed Case No. 02-001), 24 years after the founding of the court.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
You have no support for your claims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court#FISA_warrants

If an application is denied by one judge of the court, the federal government is not allowed to make the same application to a different judge of the court, but may appeal to the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review. Such appeals are rare: the first appeal from the FISC to the Court of Review was made in 2002 (In re Sealed Case No. 02-001), 24 years after the founding of the court.
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Yes they just changed it a bit instead of processing the same application and went to a friendlier judge.

again 1 in 10000 were rejected from 2009-2015. Their evidence for Trump and Russia couldnt even meet this low standard so had to try with a different judge :)
 
Jarod said:
The BBC does not say Trump was taped, it says the Russians were taped.
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The BBC made the wrong assumption that only foreign actors can be tapped when clearly agents of foreign actors includes americans.

I still did point out in the OP why it would be a problem if the russian bankers were tapped as the obama admin was using that to get at the trump tower servers.
 
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