We're a pro-choice nation

Frank Apisa said:
There is an oak tree developing from the moment the bud of an acorn forms. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THERE IS AN OAK TREE THERE.

A woman with a pregnancy occurring in her own body should not lose authority over her body because the government decides it wants that authority for itself. If the woman decides she wants to terminate the pregnancy, she should be able to do so legally...and with the safety that legality provides.

If the people who want to rule someone else's body finally grok that...the world will become a better place.
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Agree. And even more to the point, other citizens do not have the right to force that woman to bring the fetus to term. It's interesting that many of the ppl in this discussion -- and out in the country at large, including the one you replied to -- are the same ones who refused to get vaccinated against COVID. Or even to just put on a mask, because in their warped minds, the govt. lacks the right to force you to do something with your body that you don't want to. Funny how that works, isn't it?
 
TOP said:
It does unless it's removed....A woman can decide to terminate her child..I'm sure you can understand that there are those of us who feel differently than you do about this unborn child..especially those of us who have children and experienced pregnancy...... (I cannot believe you used the word "grok"...I think too highly of you to have to see you type that....;))
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Just because you have a womb and a woods colt that emerged from it does not give you the right to tell me or anyone else what to do with theirs.

BTW, the word "grok" is from a famous science fiction novel. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean you can now denigrate someone else who does.

Shall I PM you your latest honorary gift to PP? :rofl2:
 
NiftyNiblick said:
We're not a theocracy.
Nobody is required to believe in God,
most of our smarter citizens don't,
so come up with something better than that.
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Here's something that even a half-wit cretin who wants to "Sherman" the entire state of Florida might understand:

Six Months Post-Roe, 24 US States Have Banned Abortion or Are Likely to Do So: A Roundup. Since the US Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in June 2022, the legal landscape on abortion has shifted dramatically.

More to come.
 
Frank Apisa said:
A woman can decide to terminate a pregnancy occurring in her own body...and should be able to do so legally...and with the safety that legality helps provide. You and others of your same mind may want to word your remarks the way you are because wording it more accurately weakens your arguments.
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An excellent point, Frank. That's why forced-birthers keep trying to use loaded language and emotional heartstrings to make their case that they should be allowed by the power of government to force someone to carry to term. There is an interesting intersection here with some of these authoritarians. They adamantly reject any efforts to protect living children by enacting stricter gun regulations. They have posted recently about the death of the unruly subway passenger (who was someone's child) at the hands of a fellow passenger. The FETUS is almighty, but once it's out of the womb, tough shit.

YES...I GROK THAT. Why are you so unable to understand that there are those of us who feel differently than you about whether an UNDENIABLE LIVING HUMAN WOMAN who wants to terminate a pregnancy occurring in her own body should be able to do so legally...and with the safety that legality helps provide?



What do you see as demeaning about that word? It is used by intelligent people to denote understanding in depth...often through intuition or empathy. I use it often...and honestly see nothing to be ashamed of about using it.
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She hates the word because I often use it as well, plus she cannot grok it because teechur cant reed so gud. :laugh:
 
Earl said:
The Mujer de Bujo has returned from her nocturnal flight in search of rats, mice and snakes...all toxic.
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Indeed...Is that just one of the strangest thing you've ever seen on a political forum?
 
I don't give a fat fuck about our demented SCOTUS, you know that, right?

The discussion is not about what the more primitive parts of our crumbling republic are doing.
They've always been able to fuck up a two-car funeral.

The discussion is about whether those Handmaid Tales laws are barbaric,
which of course they are
in the minds of anyone who went to a better school than fucking Vanderbilt
and any other part of the Grand Ole Opry theme park.

Fucking crackers.
We shouldn't have to tolerate them.
 
martin said:
Don't you understand your own comments? You concluded by saying, "it doesn't make sense"

On the issue at hand, if society regarded a fetus as a child then abortion would be, and would always have been, first degree murder in every state. So all of this "unborn child" argument is blather.
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It's an emotional argument with zero basis in reality, in science, in medicine, in biology.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I don't give a fat fuck about our demented SCOTUS, you know that, right?

The discussion is not about what the more primitive parts of our crumbling republic are doing.
They've always been able to fuck up a two-car funeral.

The discussion is about whether those Handmaid Tales laws are barbaric,
which of course they are
in the minds of anyone who went to a better school than fucking Vanderbilt
and any other part of the Grand Ole Opry theme park.

Fucking crackers.
We shouldn't have to tolerate them.
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A half-wit cretin like you who posted that Florida should be "Shermaned" (sic) could be considered a barbarian.

Half-wit, uneducated cretins aren't allowed on Vandy's campus.
 
Frank Apisa said:
There is no child in the womb. Often an abortion merely expels a clump of cells. It is no more a living human than is a cancer tumor.
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It has been estimated that up to a third of pregnancies end in miscarriage, many times before the woman is even aware of the embryo's existence. Sounds like Nature is pretty good at getting rid of "children" too. :rolleyes:
 
Frank Apisa said:
You should know better than what you think, TOP. But I suspect some kind of religious thing is in play. For most abortions...all that is being aborted is a clump of cells. If that could finally be acknowledged, some progress might take place. But as long as your side wants to describe a zygote as a living human...no further progress will ever occur. And while you may think your side has made recent progress...it is ephemeral.
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Quite ephemeral. The OP's assertion is correct.

Broad support for abortion rights: Gallup polls show Americans’ support for abortion in all or most cases at 85% as of May 2022, higher than when polling began in 1975 (76%), and the Pew Research Center finds 62% of adults believe abortion should be legal, compared to 60% in 1995—though there has been fluctuation, with support dropping to a low of 47% in 2009.

Support remains steady post-Dobbs: Americans’ broad support for abortion has largely remained steady since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last June in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, with Pew’s polling finding that it went up from 61% in March 2022 to 62% in July, after the court’s ruling, and a Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) poll finding that while support for abortion has broadly grown since 2010 (now at 64%), there was little change in the months before and after the court’s ruling.
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NiftyNiblick said:
The "lump of cells" phase of life has no agreed upon definition.

if the clump is wanted and celebrated, it's a coming baby.

If it's not, it's virtually a malignant tumor.

What we must remember is that the clump doesn't give a fat flying fuck--it definitely doesn't--
so the host mother is the only one with a right to decide.

How is this not obvious?
I really don't understand the very damaged thought process of some people.
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I don't either, Nifty. Why is it okay to force a free citizen to give birth -- something that can be life-threatening -- but not okay to force a free citizen to put on a mask while out in public to protect others during a pandemic?
 
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